So Boerd said
On second thought, the GM has said most support democracy. While I disagree that would be the outcome, if Outcast declares it so it is so.
Britain was already democratic under Victoria.
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Britain was already democratic under Victoria.
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So Boerd said
On second thought, the GM has said most support democracy. While I disagree that would be the outcome, if Outcast declares it so it is so.
Yeah. I'm kinda torn on that too. Realistically based on my understanding, parliament and the people should be in an uproar. But with outcast saying most support the move I'm neutral. I think I will wait until after the update to do anything. Cause if the republic is mostly stable...why cause more unrest.
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Britain was already democratic under Victoria.
You know what he meant. The new Edwardian republic, the abolition of the monarchy.
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Man Brazil is getting wrecked by Germany:O
Kho, you are going to have to fight the Egyptians to subjugate them. They are de facto independent.
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bigscreech said
Man Brazil is getting wrecked by Germany:O
After so long, the Germans have finally unleashed Blitzkrieg.
@Boerd I know they are, but the Egyptian people are currently ruled by non-Egyptians in an absolute monarchy, and there is a very strong Egyptian educated middle class who seek after democracy and the return of the 'true' Caliphate. It is not far from likely that they could rise up against the autocratic monarchy and accept Ottoman democracy, meaning they basically get to elect a ruler (a Vali) as well as six members of the lower house.
Tunisia is a different matter as the Bey was relatively loyal to the Empire and would probably put up no resistance.
Tunisia is a different matter as the Bey was relatively loyal to the Empire and would probably put up no resistance.
Hey guys I'm pretty new to nation RP and I was struggling a little to understand what the Ottomans last post actually means for Romania, could someone help me out? :P
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@Boerd I know they are, but the Egyptian people are currently ruled by non-Egyptians in an absolute monarchy, and there is a very strong Egyptian educated middle class who seek after democracy and the return of the 'true' Caliphate. It is not far from likely that they could rise up against the autocratic monarchy and accept Ottoman democracy, meaning they basically get to elect a ruler (a Vali) as well as six members of the lower house.Tunisia is a different matter as the Bey was relatively loyal to the Empire and would probably put up no resistance.
I have heard neither. May I have sources?
emmy1320 said
Hey guys I'm pretty new to nation RP and I was struggling a little to understand what the Ottomans last post actually means for Romania, could someone help me out? :P
It means the Ottoman Empire has just given you a big, wet kiss, your own credit card, a brain and has told you firmly and with absolute sincerity, that you are to us the best of friends and are free to do as you wish. You're no longer a vassal :P and you didn't have to pay me a penny...hmm...maybe I should've coaxed some money out of you now that I think about it. Oh well. Anyway, Romania, along with Serbia, are now no longer vassals of the Ottomans, that's what just happened.
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Kho said
It means the Ottoman Empire has just given you a big, wet kiss, your own credit card, a brain and has told you firmly and with absolute sincerity, that you are to us the best of friends and are free to do as you wish. You're no longer a vassal :P and you didn't have to pay me a penny...hmm...maybe I should've coaxed some money out of you now that I think about it. Oh well. Anyway, Romania, along with Serbia, are now no longer vassals of the Ottomans, that's what just happened.
Didn't the same thing just happen with Tunis and Egypt?
So Boerd said
I have heard neither. May I have sources?
I don't think I need to prove the Albanian background of Muhammed Ali Pasha and therefore his dynasty and the fact that the ruling elite were largely of Anatolian or East European origins. There was a rise in the 'effendy's' as they were known, secular educated Egyptians, lawyers, teachers etc. plus you must remember that the oldest/second oldest (depends on who you ask) university in the world is in Egypt.
The rural population was extremely unhappy under the Khedives and so were the ulema (religious class if you would, imams, sheikhs etc.) - who had monumental power over the masses and could, on their own, lead a successful uprising to 'rejoin the true Caliphate'
For more info: http://countrystudies.us/egypt/23.htm
For more info on general change in Muslim societies, particularly Arab ones, in the 19th-20th Century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nahda
NarcolepticSailor said
Didn't the same thing just happen with Tunis and Egypt?
No, their vassalisation has been cancelled and they have been re-incorporated into the Empire. Thus, they are no longer semi-autonomous, but under direct control of the General Assembly in Constantinople (just waiting on Outcast's judgement on the matter, to see if I'll have to take military action or not)
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Kho said
No, their vassalisation has been cancelled and they have been re-incorporated into the Empire. Thus, they are no longer semi-autonomous, but under direct control of the General Assembly in Constantinople (just waiting on Outcast's judgement on the matter, to see if I'll have to take military action or not)
Good luck with that, man. Rofl.
NarcolepticSailor said
Good luck with that, man. Rofl.
It really isn't a big issue. Egypt is currently in dire straits with a largely unhappy population who will certainly not want to war with the Islamic Caliphate (to which they swear loyalty) for the sake of a despotic and oppressive regime which isn't even Egyptian. As for Tunisia, they Beys have always been supportive of the Empire, proven by the fact that they always followed in the footsteps of the Ottomans - when Ottomans began reforms, so did Tunisia etc.
emmy1320 said
Dobby is a free elf.
Yes, and I'm Harry Potter. Russia is Lucius Malfoy. Austria is Bellatrix.
It really isn't a big issue. Egypt is currently in dire straits with a largely unhappy population who will certainly not want to war with the Islamic Caliphate (to which they swear loyalty) for the sake of a despotic and oppressive regime which isn't even Egyptian.
Funny, I don't remember huge protests in Egypt when the 1876 Ottoman constitution was made. Haven't seen a source yet.
In case you missed this:
And no, there were no great protests because the country was too busy with its own issues.
Kho said
I don't think I need to prove the Albanian background of Muhammed Ali Pasha and therefore his dynasty and the fact that the ruling elite were largely of Anatolian or East European origins. There was a rise in the 'effendy's' as they were known, secular educated Egyptians, lawyers, teachers etc. plus you must remember that the oldest/second oldest (depends on who you ask) university in the world is in Egypt.The rural population was extremely unhappy under the Khedives and so were the ulema (religious class if you would, imams, sheikhs etc.) - who had monumental power over the masses and could, on their own, lead a successful uprising to 'rejoin the true Caliphate'For more info: http://countrystudies.us/egypt/23.htmFor more info on general change in Muslim societies, particularly Arab ones, in the 19th-20th Century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nahda
And no, there were no great protests because the country was too busy with its own issues.
Kho said
In case you missed this:And no, there were no great protests because the country was too busy with its own issues.
Isn't that exactly when countries have protests? When they have issues?
Your source says the religious types were weakened. At the apex of their strength, why didn't they revolt on support of the Caliph in the first Turko-Egyptian war?
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