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[King Solterra]

I can help people out with their Taxes if they'd like. I and Flooby have jackhammered it enough to where I know what goes where and how much shit is. Also, manual taxes seem to get fucked up easily, so I've created an Excel sheet to do everything for me, like how a game would do.

[Ashgan]

Hell yeah. After my analysis of why food is pretty hard to have in surplus, I'd rather pay them in bullis, which are actually easier to get since nobody eats your money. ;P

[The Nexerus]

Are the values for fiefdoms and taxes and units and such the same, or vastly different? I'm assuming I can't just import my sheet from the other thread.

[King Solterra]

Ashgan said
Hell yeah. After my analysis of why food is pretty hard to have in surplus, I'd rather pay them in bullis, which are actually easier to get since nobody eats your money. ;P

Upkeep. Upkeep eats all your money. Especially the initial purchase. I have found with 20k people, I get 45k+ food. So then I'm left over with 25k+ food, take Soldiers of 4k, times that by 4.... 16k-25k=9k. You times your Food by a higher number than your Bullis. From start, you can easily become rich with food. Just keep up with your taxes. Bullis is a pain to get started with. And later on, if you try to get more troops, remember your Upkeep has dwindled your yearly pay to almost nothing, so you can't just buy another army instantly, you have to wait and let it pile up. Where as food is also dwindled, it doesn't take as long, not at all.

[Ashgan]

Fair enough; to be fair, I haven't gotten so far yet as to determine the exact size of my army and its corresponding upkeep costs, so it's possible I will agree with you once I get surprised by how tough the costs are. Either way I'm having a lot of fun just tossing numbers around for the moment.

[Flooby Badoop]

People eat crops seasonally too. Soldiers, peasents, townspeople, doesn't matter, they all eat crops. Townspeople and raised levies don't produce any crops, and thus don't count toward the population.

@ Nex: Aye, values are quite different this time around. No vassals to take your land, though, which I'm sure is likeable.

[King Solterra]

Taxes This does not include the Initial cost of everything, I'll be doing that all on separate sheets. This sheet, however, I will keep with me every year, updating it when needed. You can see after recruiting my huge armies, next year I will gain what's in my storage and Treasury (About Cell 28D). 85k of Bullis, gone. And that was just Upkeep. ALmost twice that for Initial costs. Crops is high, a bit under 100k, but that was because of feeding my soldiers, and I am still getting more. I guess it's whether you want more or less Towns. But more towns, you get less Crops, and pay more Crops. You can literally get a Crop farm and let it sit there. 18k people turn into 64800 Crops. A Town with 5k people (Which you also just took 5k of population from making crops) makes 20000 Bullis, and that 20k hasn't even subtracted for Upkeep or Soldier Expenses.

I will buy everyone with food and use that to become King. Bruhahahahaha

[King Solterra]

It seems I need to update my Sheet again,. be right back.

[King Solterra]

Every time words come out of Mighty Flooby's mouth, I swear, it's like the word of god, and it is law. Because every single time he speaks, "Welp, Taxes are WRONG and BORKED and FUBAR. RED ALERT RED ALERT"

Edit
Gonna have ta... take some things away here...

Oh my god now it'll take only 20 minutes to fix instead of 4 hours. I just lowered my troops and my Food just updated instantly <3

[Flooby Badoop]

Cale Tucker said
Every time words come out of Mighty Flooby's mouth, I swear, it's like the word of god, and it is law. Because every single time he speaks, "Welp, Taxes are WRONG and BORKED and FUBAR. RED ALERT RED ALERT"EditGonna have ta... take some things away here...

I am the Medieval IRS. Thou cannest not escape mine eyes.

[King Solterra]

Flooby... um... is it 1 Bullis per soldier per season, or is it... 4 Bullis per Soldier per season?

[Flooby Badoop]

1 bulli in pay, then upkeep.

Example: Spearman has Spear and Leather Armour. 1 (pay) + 1 (spear upkeep) + 1 (armour upkeep) = 3 per season.

I let you pay your troops in crops, because the troops would likely be more than happy to accept that payment, and because crops have a different value to every player.

[King Solterra]

I know, but my Capital and Home fiefs can't do it. Only my forts can. And I thought about letting my Fort soldiers get paid in food because they are on the border of enemy territory, so they can't really go to a pub or a restaurant and kick it back, so money wouldn't be of any real use to them. Food making them happier and some Bullis going to their families works out greatly I think

[Ashgan]

About armies; is there a good reason to have soldiers levied at the start of the game? We already went over that they don't farm and don't pay taxes, so is there any major disadvantage to having mostly token armies until you need them, and then levy en masse?

[King Solterra]

You don't have to, I'd guess. But I'm afraid Flooby would be doing some sort of random events to simulate reality and do bandits or raids or Giant attacks. I just have a defense to protect the people from... anything. There was always at least a few on guard so they weren't 100% caught off guard.

[Flooby Badoop]

Ashgan said
About armies; is there a good reason to have soldiers levied at the start of the game? We already went over that they don't farm and don't pay taxes, so is there any major disadvantage to having mostly token armies until you need them, and then levy en masse?

It would only be wise to have a large amount of levies raised if you were expecting trouble at the game's very start, or wanted to start trouble at the game's very start.

But otherwise, as in the times, there's no need to have any of your soldiers raised if you're not in a conflict.

[Heyitsjiwon]

It all depends. In the last one, I had a small defense force up at all times. However, doing that will of course limit your maximum army size as your expenses would be greater if you have a standing force compared to not having one. That being said. Some random events could occur where you would want some sort of military.

[King Solterra]

With my spare time, I'm going to edit the map to show where my people are. And Flooby, I've tried your link for a coat of arms. The thing feels broken as it takes forever to do anything. and my super gaming rig is not slow.

Edit: Coat of Arms made! Check it out.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

[Sovi3t]

Lord Floopy!

Can I just buy weapons and armor for my troops + siege equiqment?

[King Solterra]

Sovi3t said
Lord Floopy!Can I just buy weapons and armor for my troops + siege equiqment?

Are you saying you don't want to fill them with troops? You can buy the armor, weapons, and siege equipment, without requiring any soldiers using them. So... yes?