[OOC] The League - First Blood (Persistent World Superhero Sci Fi and Fantasy, Always Open)

[LeeRoy]

I was about to say: "If it's not by Ennio Morricone, he's not a real cowboy."

[MrDidact]

Hey LeeRoy isn't One a Metahuman? Therefore her powers wouldn't be affected? She'd actually be perfect for this situation.

[Luminous Beings]

The scale of the damage in the Prison fight doesn't excuse anything Abe does in a crowded restaurant filled with people when he has other choices. If you fight a villain and somebody dies because of an honest mistake it's different. But in the eyes of the law when an Officer's actions result in the citizens he's sworn to protect dying because of an intentional disregard for their safety, he's done a serious crime. It's no different for Superheroes. Sure it could be part of his character not to care, but isn't also in-character for him to want to avoid being implicated for a crime or have his reputation besmirched? None of it is based on what I think of a character's personality. Because frankly I hate Cordella and If I wanted to I could have Emily bitch-slap her to death but I don't because that'd be bad GMing and another mistake I don't wish to make

Okay, I'm putting this out there, and everyone else in the RP will probably skim past it, but I need to draw attention to these issues, as I feel they'll kill this RP over time if left ignored. I've attempted to be professional about the problems I've seen but this crosses the line.

First off, you're applying your own morality and code of ethics to this situation, and allowing it to interfere with the way the game progresses. You have said it's a rule that we can't kill innocents-but that's not a rule. It's not in the set of rules stated in the OP, and to arbitrarily declare that it is later on is somewhat unfair. It feels identical to playing a game with a kid who keeps mixing up the rules whenever he starts to lose. This has occurred in other instances, when details about the League or the environment are told us after we've posted them, seemingly as facts without any way of knowing them beforehand. It's obvious this is meant for the old-timers who were in the last incarnation of this RP, but it'd be nice if you established a more clear setting before setting us loose in it. Leonerdo progressed in a direction you didn't care for, so now killing innocents is totally out of character for anyone, and thus unavoidable. Having the vllains save him further reinforces this-you're depriving him the chance to reap the consequences of his actions. You've stated that depending on how the RP goes we can progress into anti-heroes, mercenaries, etc, and yet now when our characters are faced with the opportunity to do so, Leonerdo's character is unable to. If he wants to kill innocents and suffer the consequences...why can't he? Why did these villains save those people? Maybe they're a darker-shade-of-grey type villain that's out to save people, and this was just an extreme measure-but by the same token, if we're fighting people with morality like that, why can't some of the "good guys" have grey morality? I find it unprofessional that you're essentially telling Leonerdo what his character should do. I mean, not to rant on Abysse here, because playing as a mentally unstable character takes a lot of effort to do well, but we have a legitimate pyromaniac/psychopath in the RP. Surely a fair number of the League's members suffer from PTSD, Cordelia's not exactly had things easy-and yet attempting to portray the more complex moralities that may result from that are shot down. From your comments on the 80s and 90s anti-heroes, hand-waving of my questions regarding the League's moral legitimacy, and comments on Cordelia, it's obvious you prefer one-dimensional, black-and-white heroes and villains. Which is fine, but with comments like these it doesn't feel like you're affording that opportunity to the rest of us. In the OP, you state that this RP is an attempt at portraying heroes realistically. While I doubted that, given Pariah's nature as a lawyer, CIA operative, and Marine extraordinaire, whose capable of throwing knives accurately in a fight (I do not know if you have ever thrown knives-it takes weeks to hit the target reliably and you have to gauge distance and number of spins to do so-trying to throw it in a fight is literally just throwing and hoping for the best, it would be beyond impractical to try using them on a moving, dangerous target like Pariah likely faces), I attempted to make what I felt was a realistic character, knowing full well they would be outclassed by the extremely powerful characters present in the RP. I hoped to offer cunning, knowledge of the criminal underworld, and perhaps a Lancer to the organization as a whole, someone who'd provide a different outlook.

The result was Cordelia, a street rat. However, I don't feel you truly have realism as an interest in this RP. You claimed that the VTOLs would cause no collateral damage whatsoever, yet could simultaneously swat down anyone escaping out of the sky. What weaponry is capable of doing that? Miniguns are anything but precise. What else could they have mounted on them as weapons, precise enough to shoot down individuals flying away without shooting up nearby buildings, wounding passerbys, etc? Any of Cordelia's criticisms of the League were met with assurances that the League is a seemingly 100% benevolent organization, that somehow manages to give most of its money to charity whilst affording a fleet of VTOLs, cutting edge technology, and salaries for thousands of members. It's more of a well-intentioned paramilitary group than anything.

Similarly, you just said that

The whole point of having him fight the monsters is to allow the players to decide how the Prison scenario unfolds. Also there's nothing about him that is nigh God-like. He's powerful, but frankly quite a few of the NPCs and Villains I've made up can fight him and even kill him. he higher-level PCs could probably give him a drubbing if they were smart enough about it.

Our strongest characters could PROBABLY take him in a fight if they were smart. This kills any dramatic tension in the RP. If even the strongest characters in the RP can only HOPE to give him a beatdown, assuming they had the advantage of superior tactics on their side (and this guy's also actively holding back, as stated in your sheet)...why do you even need us to RP? I mean, seriously, can't he handle the prison situation entirely on his own if he has power of that magnitude? Put a few VTOLs in the air, contain anyone from flying away, and have him crush anyone who comes out the front door. Problem solved. You haven't shown us why any of our characters are necessary. Zenith, Pariah, and Apogee, combined with the indefinite funding, fleet of airships, and presumably excellent military and tech connections, seem more than capable of handling any threat that rises up in this RP. Pariah is ridiculously smart and trained as a covert operative, the other two are nigh unkillable. Very few scenarios they can't handle.

For the record, I'm fine if you hate Cordelia. I've GM'ed many RP's, and there have been many characters I disliked-but not saying that outright is just a sign of respect. I wouldn't say I take RP'ing seriously, it's not my one passion in life, but I put effort into what I do and attempt to write quality posts and work in character arcs and development. Saying you hate her after, what, less than a week of RP'ing? It's dismissive and not what I want to see in the person running things. Stating that you could have Emily swat her down like a fly if you wanted, but you won't-solely because you don't want to repeat another mistake-no, there's no point in me staying. I'm not sure it occurred to you when you typed that, but that really screams that this RP is YOUR sandbox and not OURS. We're free to play as much as we want, as long as we don't try and cross your guys. They're undeniably the superior ones. This tells me several things, beyond the fact you've so extremely made up your mind about my character after five pages of RP'ing with her.

First, there's next to nothing holding you back from killing off my character. I have no desire to stay in an RP where my characters, who I put serious work into and actively work on developing, can be killed off on a whim. I do this for fun, and outright seeing your stance on this, along with the knowledge that the rest of this RP will not be favorabe to my characters or myself, is not exactly fun.

Secondly, that your character can kill mine so easily. Again-why are our characters needed if yours are so ungodly strong? You've given no reason why Emily, Zenith, and Pariah can't handle this entire thing by themselves. I'm fine with playing the second-rate character if necessary.

However, the manner in which you've acted is unprofessional. Letting a character essentially break the fourth wall to target the "90s antiheroes", yourself commenting on how much you dislike them, selectively issuing consequences, and outright stating that you hate my character and would kill her off if you didn't want to make "another mistake", and finally banning any more 90s antiheroes (a vague, ill-defined term, which essentially lets you ban whichever characters you dislike) is enough of a sign that I'm not wanted. There is an evident bias in your moderating and writing towards characters that buck the norm, and it's not handled in a mature or fair manner. Let's look at how things have turned out so far. These are not attacks on other RP'ers, but rather on the nature of consequences in this RP.

Sonja rushes into combat. Is attacked, but allowed to defend herself and live to fight another day.
Hot Rod rushes into combat. Is attacked and suffocated, but allowed to be saved by another character.
Agnes rushes solo against a horde of beasts, throws a hand grenade (collateral damage) and is saved by an NPC.
Abe stealthily attacks a group of unsuspecting (because, they may have been expecting a conventional attack, but seeing the roof collapse evokes entirely different responses than hearing someone shoot at you, they were expecting the former and not the latter) terrorists and is immediately recognized, knocked out, taken prisoner, and all the NPCs targeted saved.
Zenith takes on one fifth of the prison riot by himself by the time we arrive. No consequences.

It's pretty clear there's something up. Your addendum to the OP confirms this.

My apologies if I've irritated any of the other members with a wall of text, but I feel these issues need to be addressed. Didact, this RP isn't a choice-based one. We were told that

players will be allowed to take on the roles of other kinds of characters, from vigilantes working outside the system to mercenaries looking for profit to soldiers serving the government and even to villains pursuing their own agendas.

. This is not the case. Changing things up is fine, but you should be upfront about it, and not enact such changes as a reaction to RP'ers or characters you dislike, which is unfair and unprofessional.

If you wanted an RP that had pure heroes against pure villains, that's fine, but I feel misled by your OP and slanted against. Stating that you hate someone's character and would kill her off? I am not being hyperbolic here-I've been RP'ing for six years and I haven't ever seen that before. Much less after five pages of the RP. I don't know whether it's a more cynical, pragmatic take on the world you dislike, or simply the fact we weren't present for the last incarnation of your RP and are the outsiders of the group, but it's pretty clear you don't want us around. I put effort into my sheets, posts, and was attempting to help contribute to this RP, but what've you said and done as GM says that those contributions are unwanted and will likely have no tangible effect on the story. I was holding out for this conflict with Abe to blow over, and hopefully work on changing things slowly and more diplomatically, but I'm not going to sink more time into this RP if Cordelia, and by extension myself, is going to be getting secondhand treatment and outright disdain from the guy running it. Similarly, Leonerdo was told how his character's morality SHOULD be and what reaction he SHOULD have, which I find to be similarly dismissive. You outright hate one character and are commenting on how another should react...it's just not the way you should treat people that are attempting to post and contribute to your RP. This RP doesn't feel like a collaborative effort, it feels more like one of those stories where you get to pick the endings. And that's okay, if we're upfront and clear about it-but we're presented with an open world and told to stay within the dotted lines. This may, to give you the benefit of the doubt, be the result of unspecified vision for the RP as a whole, but more negatively this is your dislike of myself and others in the RP, or at least our characters and writing styles. The former is more excusable, but I suspect it's the latter. If this is the manner you're going to operate in, that's fine, but I'm not going to stay where I'm not wanted.

To the members of this RP, I want to clarify this isn't an attack on any of you, please don't interpret this post as such. I've enjoyed my brief time with Polyphemus and Blacksam in particular, and look forward to bumping into all of you in the future on here.

Cordelia can be lost in the prison riot with a certain hellhound from solitary confinement too. Hope you all enjoy this RP, I'll see you around.

[Archmage MC]

Long post, so I'm just going to skim it...

For one of your heroes, you were being insane, but unlike MC being insane by throwing cuddly, harmless things around, you were being insane throwing, while not deadly, objects that can be contrived as deadly. I don't know about the other one though, I've lost track of a few characters. but from what I can understand, your mad that people are mad at a character you made that was doing things that, if someone did that to you IRL, you'd also be mad at and dislike. Because people in character are mad at your character your going to leave? clarify because the other thing just sounds like you wanna be OP at the start.with your char. I've nerfed Light like 3 times already and MC once, and MC hasn't had nerfs called because hes discording it up. being OP is boring without just cause ya know.

[Leonerdo]

Archmage MC said
Long post, so I'm just going to skim it...For one of your heroes, you were being insane, but unlike MC being insane by throwing cuddly, harmless things around, you were being insane throwing, while not deadly, objects that can be contrived as deadly. I don't know about the other one though, I've lost track of a few characters. but from what I can understand, your mad that people are mad at a character you made that was doing things that, if someone did that to you IRL, you'd also be mad at and dislike. Because people in character are mad at your character your going to leave? clarify because the other thing just sounds like you wanna be OP at the start.with your char. I've nerfed Light like 3 times already and MC once, and MC hasn't had nerfs called because hes discording it up. being OP is boring without just cause ya know.

I wouldn't even be able to tell you skimmed it, because you missed the point entirely.

Anyways - damn. I was planning to have Abe hang around Cordelia where they can do their thing. Frankly, HWWB was my only anchor. So I'm sorry to say I'll likely be leaving with him. See you guys around.

As a last added note, Didect, I don't appreciate being told how Abe should be run. Not what you think his morals should be, what his actions should be, how I should play his power ("If he wanted to fine control some stones you could just have him hide his hand under the table and move them that way"), or deciding what his actions are ("If it's alright with you I'll proceed as if a giant trail was made and then Abe can fight the three who are left, as well as any reinforcements they may have" [it was stated several times the floor collapsed beneath them]). By sticking around, I'm afraid my roleplaying experience is going to be hijacked.

[Archmage MC]

Leonerdo said
I wouldn't even be able to tell you skimmed it, because you missed the point entirely.Anyways - damn. I was planning to have Abe hang around Cordelia where they can do their thing. Frankly, HWWB was my only anchor. So I'm sorry to say I'll likely be leaving with him. See you guys around.

Well can you summarize it? Either hes mad at how we treated his first character, or mad that hes not asking for help to save his other character Yog asked for help to save Hot Rod, and I did.

Leonerdo said
As a last added note, Didect, I don't appreciate being told how Abe should be run. Not what you think his morals should be, what his actions should be, how I should play his power ("If he wanted to fine control some stones you could just have him hide his hand under the table and move them that way"), or deciding what his actions are ("If it's alright with you I'll proceed as if a giant trail was made and then Abe can fight the three who are left, as well as any reinforcements they may have" [it was stated several times the floor collapsed beneath them]). By sticking around, I'm afraid my roleplaying experience is going to be hijacked.

To be fair, thats what a GM does in DnD as well. This is without dice rolls though, so without a 'system' to dictate fairness, it gets more convoluted.

[Leonerdo]

No. Read it yourself or just don't bother yourself with the conversation.

And no, DnD DMs don't decide your character's morality. Or their actions. They help you determine if you succeed.

[MrDidact]

My further thoughts

1. First off not intentionally killing people is common sense. RP rules are codes of conduct OOC not IC. This is meant to be realistic. It's unrealistic for a guy to intentionally allow civilians to die and get away without being labeled a criminal and being locked up. The villains did not save the civilians on purpose, Flasher teleporting away teleported all the the debris that would have crushed them. They accidentally saved them.

2. I can't be expected to explain every single little thing about the universe from the start. I painted the general strokes and then filled in the details. IE, Savant making new limbs for amputees. You can then extrapolate this to see that the League is involved in charity events. I'm not changing the fundamental rules as we go, I'm elaborating. If you have questions about the setting I didn't explain enough, please ask. I'm always open to talk to. And seriously? There are four, five people from the old thread tops.

3. Later in the series is when we can play vigilantes, mercenaries, and villains. This is not later. This is barely one half-day into the story. And of course there's complex moralities. Sixgun shot a guy in the head. Doppler is an opportunistic power thief. Sonja is a show-boating gloryhound. Volt is a self-hating cynic. It's not complex morality for a character to be cynical and edgy and think the entire world completely sucks when evidence is to the contrary.

4. This RP is in no way Black and White. Characters have already been forced into morally compromising situations ie Sixgun again whose working for the Outfit. All the background lore about the divisive politics, the prejudice, the intolerance, and volatile world stage makes you write off the whole thing as Black and White? Of course there's issues with the League being in power, but how would those issues be brought into the rp without it seeming hackneyed at the moment the story is in? Why is it so unbelievable for an organization to do mostly good? How is allowing psychotics and un-paragons into the League not the opposite of Black and White?

5. Realistic is relative. This is grounded like I said. No kid sidekicks because endangerment. No time-travelling and parallel universes. Yet. No Aliens yet. No Artificial intelligence yet. No ignoring the laws of science just because magic. No villains just willy-nilly murdering people day in and out because heroes. And No fictional cities or countries. Batman is highly unrealistic and Pariah is a somewhat more grounded version of that. Also notice how all the background villain organizations are based off of actual realistic political ideologies not convoluted villain origins. Same goes for the political situation between Nations and at home. All of which hasn't been explored yet because it doesn't fit in with the current plot.

6. The League has good intentions, obviously. I stated beforehand that they have a massive commercial line however. That's where they make most of their money from, along with things like collecting bounties for catching criminals which they do, and the Bruce Wayne method of a few of them being rich. I never said the League gave most of its money to charities, just that they were involved in charity work. If you sat down for a minute and thought about what superhumans could do for humanitarian causes you'd find literally hundreds of ways to help.

7. And when did I ever say their fleet was endless? Of course it costs a lot of money, off-set by the powers of their own members. You can do a lot when you have people, who control the elements and have magic powers. And they only just reached a thousand people and the salaries are decent, the same pay that most middle-class americans get. They don't take home CEO salaries. The VTOLs shoot at people flying in the sky, they are flying. In the sky, above the prison. This is an RP where people can make power armor and lasers. More accurate machine guns are not somehow impossible. You stated that they'd obviously cause massive damage to the prison which I just said they wouldn't that doesn't make it unrealisitc.

8. The same reason why comic books have weaker characters. Because they can still make a difference. I've said this a million times. There are ways to help besides killing a bunch of bad guys. Zenith isn't an instant win button and neither is Pariah who relies on PCs to help him. Having a powerful NPC does not kill tension because he can't be there all the time to solve every problem and I actively keep him from doing that. Was all the dramatic tension in the Marconi and Slaughterhouse plots robbed because Zenith existed?

9. I hate your character because IC they dismiss literally everyone who isn't nice to her even though she acts like a hypocritical, self-entitled, know-it-all rube. This is not to be construed as dismissive, if I was dismissive I would have had her be trampled by a troll or something. I'm being clear on my feelings of the IC character, not you and the way you play them. There's a difference. Your character made up their mind about the League after ten minutes. I can hate a character currently but like them later, it;'s called character development. This is obviously not my Sandbox alone. Polyphemus and BlackSam are the ones who approached me with Sixgun being a mole and Furious being captured. And their characters are instrumental to their plot. Their villains are instrumental to the plot. I cannot believe you insinuate that I do not allow players to be collaborate with me when that is what I have always encouraged. The PCs are instrumental to the plot because they're the ones with free agency.

10. This is a no-kill RP. I could have somebody killed but then that'd be incredibly unfair. I don't do it. I'm always open to dialogue with players and I always find a way to compromise. Hellhound being a prime example.

11. There are 12,000 inmates. Three people can't handle them alone. That should be self-evident. That's because this is realistic. I'm not sure when there was any fourth-wall breaking about antiheroes. Ever. Disliking them is my personal opinion, I don't allow it to color my GMing. I call people out on grey behavior because it wouldn't make sense in the world at this point in time. Do I show any preferential treatment to any character? Hell no.

12. What do you mean buck the norm? Every character bucks the norm. Abysse's and Archmage's characters buck the norm six ways from sunday. And I'm not allowing more brooding, cynical, asshats in because then what happens? It get's boring and grimdark for the sake of being grimdark not for the sake of being balanced and realistic.

13. Are you advocating me to kill of characters because that's just confusing. And Agnes threw a grenade in the monster field and I've said it like five times that there's a huge difference between accidental and purposeful collateral damage. I already admitted my mistake in Abe's case. And Zenith never fought the monsters before the prison they showed up while he was there and it took a couple dozen heroes, air support, and armor to kill 200 mindless beasts. Are you ignoring things on purpose just to argue?

14. I'm not determining your character's morality. But that morality has to make sense with the current state of the RP. I allow you to be arrogant, cynical, showboating, lusty, psychotic, sociopathic, whatever. But having too damn many mean characters makes things boring. And again not caring about civilians doesn't mean you should flatten them and expect to not be arrested later. Multiple players have said to me that they don't like all the "edgy" characters being there just to be edgy. Naturally I'd want more sympathetic heroes to balance it out.

15. I never stated I would kill her off but professionalism stops me. I said I could but I won't, not that I want to but I could, but I'd be a huge asshole. And being overly cynical does not make a work nuanced. This work is not pure Black and White and there is all the evidence to the contrary. When have I ever shown any personal dislike for you or anyone else? Ever? At any time? I take every chance I can to talk things out with players and treat them with respect. I like all of you but even then I have to ask you to lower your power levels. I try to be fair, and when I'm not I fix the mistake. How is any of that disliking you? You read a personal angle into all of this and you couldn't be any more wrong.

[Archmage MC]

Leonerdo said
No. Read it yourself or just don't bother yourself with the conversation.

Whateves, if you don't wan an ally, so be it. I'd recommend you two read On Writing by Stephen King, or any book that authors write about being an author. A minimalist approach is usually better than adding unnecessary fluff. You only really need to add fluff if you need to make your product a bit longer or to fill up space, otherwise its best to let the person imagine what things look like. Just don't skip on scenery painting, thats usually very important, though colors can usually be omitted if they're the norm.

If your making points, make them like Mr. D, nice and bullet pointed with separate paragraphs. Makes it much easier to read. in fact I'm going to take my own advice with posts. shorter paragraphs!

[Yog Sothoth]

@He Who Walks Behind, just so you know i have spent the last thirty minutes carefully read and checking to see if your complaints are a real problem, and I got to say, it sounds to me like you wanted an anti hero who was above the law and liked having her insult the other heroes and it seems like you didn't like getting any backlash for it. Seriously Hot Rod almost died for crying out loud, your character only got wounded. Also your comment sounds very much like you think all non anti hero type heroes with good moralities are one dimensional, dude if the rp is based on realism then there are going to be good heroes, hints why we have so many human rights people in real life. It is very cliche and almost overused for rps to have tons of anti heroes. You don't have to be violent jerk to be a complex character, also the criticism against Zenith sounded more like an attack against superman and you and Leonerdo overlooked his weakness which clearly stated that he could be hurt by high level brawlers.

So in my opinion, this feels more like a complaint about your character not being allowed to get away with their rude and criminal behavior. I say this several times, but what works in comics doesn't always work in role playing, anti hero type characters can cause problems for these types of superhero roleplays. Look on the bright side at least your character wouldn't have been taught a lesson like the Elite were in Superman vs The Elite

[Krein]

I couldn't, and still can't portray Abaddon as the sadistic psycho he's always been, but honestly the fact that there would be consequences for his extreme actions makes this a lot more interesting than the typical scenarios I'd get as a result.

Leonerdo and HWWB, why not use this stuff as an opportunity to have your characters be themselves through different means? Abaddon technically has stayed true to his dark nature, but he does his stuff in secret. This actually gives him a reason to become disillusioned with the League and it allows me to set up something big for the League and other players here, if I want. I'm pretty tired now, so I don't know if I'm being clear here, but what I'm trying to say is that you guys can still have your characters stay true to themselves and all while developing interesting yet different than usually planned scenarios for the rest to follow up on. That there consequences here means that our actions actually do have an effect on Didact's RP world.

I've spent an hour trying to post something to say. That's the result. I considered just tossing it away and leave without saying anything, but I think I've used up too much of my time to waste it like that....

[Dingo]

Bloody hell, I bugger off for 13 hours and apparently missed some drama 0.o

Oh well, I'm gonna work on a quick post! Also, did somebody say THEME SONGS?

[An Outsider]

Ha Volt has named himself after his theme song!

[Luminous Beings]

I've said my peace here and am only going to reply to Yog because I feel his missed the point of what I was saying, and I wanted to clear that up.

And to Arch. Arch, not reading someone's post and then offering them writing advice...look, you've irritated me, so I'm going to drop the attempt at professionalism and just say that's a dick move. I'm familiar with King's On Writing. Not what he said. At all. Minimalist writing is like Hemingway. King wrote The Stand, which is 1141 pages and takes like three hundred of those to get to the action. I'm sorry if you dislike reading wrong posts, but to first not read it and try to refute it shows you being both dismissive and arrogant (to assume you could accurately reply without reading it) and then offer up writing advice is just rude.

you only really need to add fluff if you need to make your product a bit longer or to fill up space, otherwise its best to let the person imagine what things look like

Imagine what things look like? Are you joking? King writes fiction. Posts like these are non-fiction. Rhetoric is an entirely different beast from writing fiction.

Now, to Yog.

I never once claimed that Cordelia should avoid the repercussions of her criminal activities. Quite the opposite. You've misunderstood what I said entirely, because I spent the majority of my post questioning whether or not our characters had any real consequences to their actions. That's what this is about. I was pointing out not that Abe and Cordelia should escape the consequences of their actions but that they should be able to suffer through them. So should everyone in the League. However, when the League causes no collateral damage, is an entirely benevolent with no traces of corruption organization, and Abe's character gets shut down and his actions rendered less than pointless, there are no consequences. We don't get to see the innocent people killed by minigun fire as a result of those VTOLs, or the people who died in Abe's attack. We don't get to see the aftereffects of our actions, which is what makes having a character that can do stuff interesting.

Yog, being weak to super brawlers is not a weakness. I am weak to people with super strength. Blind kittens are weak to people with super strength. Now kryptonite? I am not weak to kryptonite. Blind kittens are not weak to kryptonite. Superman, who is capable of infinitely more than either I or the kitten is, IS weak to kryptonite. That is a weakness. Saying you have a higher threshold for damage, or even "is jut as durable as a normal human" is not a weakness, because there's nothing hindering you which affects no one else: which is, you know, the weakness. Being stabbed in the heel wouldn't have killed any other soldier (I mean, barring infection and stuff, you know what I mean) BUT Achilles. It is not a weakness if everyone else in the RP, including people without superpowers, has it. That just makes you normal.

And saying our characters would've caused problems...that's the point. Conflicts. Resolutions. It's what makes things interesting. I'm not saying that all good characters are one-dimensional, but to be painfully, brutally honest, some of the ones in comics and in a lot of superhero RP's are. There's nothing wrong with being good, but I feel there is something wrong with negating the consequences of doing stuff other than staying within the dotted lines.

So in my opinion, this feels more like a complaint about your character not being allowed to get away with their rude and criminal behavior

Going to have say this is incorrect. To argue a technicality, Cordelia has not yet done anything illegal in this RP, so I have had nothing to be mad about "not getting away with". And me trying to get away with her being rude? How? I never once tried to wiggle her out of the repercussions of her assholery. That's her character. She's been through a lot of shit and subsequently doesn't take any from anyone. Volt and Sonja pitied her and played to her pride enough to get along with her; other people didn't and that's okay. She's supposed to be a dick, and I wouldn't have complained if any of the characters she was unnecessarily rude to refused her help or were rude back-hell, I think Agnes was plotting to kill her after that bomb thing for one post, I'm cool with that because it's a natural progression of how that would've gone.

This isn't about my characters being treated poorly, at all. I didn't want a character who was above the law-Cordelia was pretty obviously below it. Above the law implies vigilante work, a la Abe. Cordelia was just a straight up criminal, albeit a sympathetic one who had the chance to be a serious asset to the League (given that the OP states this plot is going to focus on the gang wars in Chicago and Cordelia would've been helpful with that) Saying Hot Rod almost died doesn't have any bearing, because he didn't. We can't die in this RP. Regardless. There's not really much weight to our actions at that point, which is the whole thing Leonerdo and I have an issue with. I didn't try and excuse her rude behavior or get around the consequences of it-albeit, her time in this RP was too short for her to really witness those consequences, but that's besides the point. Your post doesn't make sense because my character never even got backlash because of it: if you read my post as thoroughly as you claimed, you'd see the part where I listed all the people's actions and consequences...Cordelia's wasn't among them. Abe. This is about what happened to Abe, where he got powerplayed and shut down without a chance to retaliate. This is about the manner in which this RP is run and the professionalism in which things are handled. I think you need to read my post again because you're mistaking where I'm coming from.

Didact, I've said all I'm going to say in regards to these issues, and reading your posts, it still doesn't feel like you're grasping what I'm saying. I don't see this going anywhere so I'm going to bow out now and let you guys carry on. If anybody has anything else, you can PM me.

[Yog Sothoth]

The GM said that he would make changes to his posts next time and admitted to how replied to Leonerdo, so I don't understand why you keep saying he doesn't understand what you're trying to say. I feel like your long posts sound more like an angry rant when they are that long and you are just trying to say that.

Also on the subject of consequences, you're making it sound like either you don't think are enough or you don't feel like there's enough freedom in this rp

[Leonerdo]

Yog Sothoth said
The GM said that he would make changes to his posts next time and admitted to how replied to Leonerdo, so I don't understand why you keep saying he doesn't understand what you're trying to say. I feel like your long posts sound more like an angry rant when they are that long and you are just trying to say that.Also on the subject of consequences, you're making it sound like either you don't think are enough or you don't feel like there's enough freedom in this rp

It is because Didect is making arguments that doesn't concern what's actually wrong and doesn't address HWWB's actual concerns. It sounds like you aren't actually reading into what either party is saying. Oh, and congratulations for completely dismissing him and his argument (and how it might even help others by addressing the actual problem!) by waving it off as an angry rant. That's like disregarding a woman's anger or upset by saying it's because she's on her period.

Regardless, I've made my cases and I said I'd leave. Good luck with your roleplay.

[Yog Sothoth]

Leonerdo said
It is because Didect is making arguments that doesn't concern what's actually wrong and doesn't address HWWB's actual concerns. It sounds like you aren't actually reading into what either party is saying. Oh, and congratulations for completely dismissing him and his argument (and how it might even help others by addressing the actual problem!) by waving it off as an angry rant. That's like disregarding a woman's anger or upset by saying it's because she's on her period.Regardless, I've made my cases and I said I'd leave. Good luck with your roleplay.

doesn't excuse the rudeness that HWWB was to archmage just because he was offering a solution. your posts are confusing people by bringing up multiple things, and we are asking you to get to the point instead speaking with mountains of posts. If people can't understand what your saying then you fail at language no matter how sophisticated it looks.

[Lookie]

So uh... that was some fascinating text, indeed it was!

How 'bout that weather? It's been real nice and warm, here.

EDIT: If I may add a word or two to a conversation that has already been finished, being elaborate is all good, but I personally find it best to concentrate on the things in front of me in order to save stuff up. I've found that if I put too many opinions into a single post, I'm bound to repeat them later again and again and that's just tiring.
I'm not a good writer though. I don't read any tutorials on writing or anything, I just RP 'cause it's fun. Probably shows from my posts, though.

Should I just go and read all the long posts or is that completely unnecessary? 'Cause I'm kind of curious about these issues that "threatened the overall RP."

[Luminous Beings]

I was polite to Arch until he didn't read my post, attempted to reply to it regardless, and then proceeded to give my friend and I unsolicited writing advice. That's not helpful or trying to find a solution, it's just belittling. It's the same as going to a basketball game, watching none of it, finding out what the score was at the end, and trying to tell the players how they could improve. His advice wasn't even pertinent, as he was quoting Stephen King's "On Writing", a book that talks about writing fiction (and, yeah, cutting out needless stuff is a very useful thing to keep in mind when writing, but there's a difference between length and needless fluff; Archmage incorrectly said King advocates minimalism in his writing and keeping things as short as possible, which is not true) when we're dealing with nonfiction/rhetoric, which is entirely different. And, not to sound condescending here, we're thoroughly dissecting the problems we see in this RP. If it's more than you feel like reading, don't read it. We put this in the OOC and not PM's because we felt they were issues that threatened the overall RP, and if you're not concerned with that, keep on scrolling. I feel like trying to summarize it into one sentence is pointless, and being told that we should is dismissive of the effort we've put into analyzing what we perceive as wrong. Likewise, saying it's all an angry rant writes off any legitimacy I had without actually responding to it. Regardless, I have issued "one sentence" criticisms previously in the OOC and they've been ignored. I feel my posts get to the point perfectly; there are many points, and I elaborate on them. I'm not rambling or attempting to misdirect you with their size, they're merely my full thoughts on the matter. My posts aren't big to try and confuse anyone; they're big because I have a lot to say. Well, had.

And I don't mean to be petty or semantic, but telling us that we fail at language while saying "if people can't understand what your saying" is somewhat ironic. Telling us that it's our failing after you thoroughly read the entire thing and responded isn't anything on us, that seems to be more of a problem on your end. If you were confused by anything in there, you should've mentioned it with your initial response and not halfway through the argument that followed.

Regardless, this is going nowhere. Out, for good.

[LeeRoy]

I didn't read a damn thing about that entire argument and I have no regrets, because anybody who spends that much time writing an argument for one singular post when it hasn't been a running problem, has nothing better to do.