[OOC] The Age of Steam

[KabenSaal]

Accuracy isn't all about range you know.

[null123]

Theres still a few other issues though
First bows require a lot of frigging training, where with muskets/rifles you can gather some citizens and give them a few weeks worth of training.
And second, with a decent industrial base its relatively easy to produce muskets/rifles.

[darkwolf687]

Corustaria's marines all use rifles... And have proven themselves superb with them. Considering the conditions of their fighting, its not hard to believe some may have chosen to adapt them for standard line infantry usage.

Also, muskets are more inaccurate than bows at short range. But they have a longer range and better accuracy at range. Iirc, I was watching a programme on the history channel which said at 100m a Musket had a 7/10 chance of hitting the target in skilled hands (and still have considerable impact). At 200 it drops to 3/10. Meanwhile, hitting with a bow at ranges such as that and having enough force to hit the target (unless you are using a damn powerful bow) is pretty doubtful.

Arrows are effected a lot more by the wind and weather as well. In the rain, bows strings will become damp and useless, if a musket man could keep his powder dry he's good to go.

And the RoF of a bow is offset by the obvious need for more precise aiming.

In addition, if cavalry charges a bowman, he's pretty fucked even if he hhas a sword.
If cavalry charges a musketman, he likely has a bayonet attached (and even if he doesn't, he still has a better chance than a bowman) he'll perform better because he's essentially got a makeshift spear. Meanwhile, bowmen would either
Need to carry a spear with them
Be backed up by pikemen

Neither of which are ideal when you can just roll the two roles into one. Easier, more effective etc

In addition, musket balls have more force behind them on impact, thus more damae

Musket balls are also cheaper and easier to make than arrows, and easier for an army to carry

Finally, morale. I'd argue morale was hit harder when your friends were dropping around you to the sound of a loud crack.

Overall, muskets were just generally a more logical choice for an army

[null123]

Anyone who has Professional Army is likely using rifles for there infantry, anyone with out-dated is probably stuck on muskets, and without either they probably have a mix.

[gowia]

Just to clarify...if you want bowmen etc...then just pick outdated army...you cannot have professional and outdated. They may be great with a bow but they aren't classified as a Professional Army due to the lack of top of the range weaponry. Stats are now rolled, I shall start pumping out peoples stats and then posting their nation with stats into the dump...I shall let people know what nation goes up as I do it.

[darkwolf687]

gowia said
Just to clarify...if you want bowmen etc...then just pick outdated army...you cannot have professional and outdated. They may be great with a bow but they aren't classified as a Professional Army due to the lack of top of the range weaponry. Stats are now rolled, I shall start pumping out peoples stats and then posting their nation with stats into the dump...I shall let people know what nation goes up as I do it.

Maybe you should name a trait "uber outdated" to compliment the Super hub and mega field xD

Honestly though, maybe there should have been a "modern army" trait alongside the professional army trait, because there were some very good but underfunded armies

[gowia]

Okay Lancia is now going up...

Also in regards to maps, people, you may be disappointed as to the lands available simply because I am not going to draw one that suits you perfectly. You will have to make do with what I give you. Also when the map is up please PM me where you want your nation to be so I can create a map with you all in.

EDIT: Darkwolf, that is a very good point and I shall note that down for if I run an RP again in the distant future, however for now I shall keep it as it is.

[darkwolf687]

gowia said
Okay Lancia is now going up...Also in regards to maps, people, you may be disappointed as to the lands available simply because I am not going to draw one that suits you perfectly. You will have to make do with what I give you. Also when the map is up please PM me where you want your nation to be so I can create a map with you all in.

Heh, can I request you use the same as last time for me if you still have it saved please.

[gowia]

Do you mean this map??? ;)



And I may grant it if people like it...

Also Corustaria is up...

[darkwolf687]

Well, mostly the shape of my islands. I grew rather attached to them last time, though I did like the ma. Reminded me of the UK with Scotland chopped off... Now the irony strikes me haha

[darkwolf687]

Oh you bastard, seems I am starting on a rocking throne.

No matter, I'll just find out what they want.

Crowd: We want.... Moneeeeeeeey!

XD

[gowia]

Haha yeah, it is quite ironic now...

Oh don't be pissy! You chose like 11 traits so now your stability suffers. You were quite lucky not to get Very Unstable actually... :)

Fellswick is up

[darkwolf687]

gowia said
Haha yeah, it is quite ironic now...Oh don't be pissy! You chose like 11 traits so now your stability suffers. You were quite lucky not to get Very Unstable actually... :)Fellswick is up

Hopefully the irony will be lost in four days time when it a No

And I'm a British man, its my job to get pissy about things! When its not the other Brits its the weather,when its not the weather its the EU, and when its none of those its anything I can find! Huzzah

[gowia]

I hope so...as far as I can tell it is very close though.

Haha welcome to the club wolf! If it is not exactly perfect then I can moan about it and if it was all perfect then I would moan about how there was no imperfection, how life is so boring with perfection.

Oh and Kamalao is up...

[Asura]

Could you give Valm the lower right chunk of coastline? I say chunk cause I'll be taking the Empire trait, so don't skimp out on the lands. :p

Or would you rather us mark where we want our nations to be on the blank canvas?

[gowia]

Just as a notice, with 6 more apps to go up we are at 10 people...I am closing it here...if I am not around and someone asks to join please politely tell them to PM me and I shall add them to a waiting list.

Also with 6 more apps to go up I am going to take a break from endless typing of numbers into word as my little programme pumps them out...
EDIT: Asura, a description is fine, I will slightly altering borders to make sure the whole map is filled however a basic area is great.

[darkwolf687]

True enough, but now those comments on a "day of reckoning" are floating around and the Tartan brown shirts are trying to surpress the BBC, I think it'll get brighter for the union.

Bugger, everyone's better of than me. I must do the most british thing possible! I must blame the immigrants. Lazy good for nothing *ignore that the immigrants are generally hard working people *

Too right. At leas the weather is nice right now... At least where I live hehe

[Commodore Robot]

Just to weigh in on the musket rifle thing, am I wrong in assuming our time period here? I've been assuming that breechloading cartridge rifles would be the go-to for modern militaries as opposed to muzzle-loaders of any type. Is this 1870s steampunk or like 1840s steampunk I guess is what I'm asking.

Also is the right continent part of the starting area or is that our new world to exploit?

[null123]

Right continent is the new world to exploit.

[darkwolf687]

Just one of many lands to come I hope. Prep the colony ships, lads, time to go steal some lands!