What was wrong with that clone sex thread?

[Awson]

Didn't meet Spam standards?

Plus that whole mob routine.

Srsly you guys.

[KeysOfKayes]

Mob routine. Clones. Sex.

Orgy? Is that what you're getting at?

[Doivid]

I totally missed it when it went down.

[Halo]

It was blatantly put there just for the sake of fake, bullshit controversy and endless internet derpbate to the delight of some moronic "treleleleler". Nat was banned for repeatedly doing the same thing; it's just a different type of troll. Better to shut it down quick. I don't see what your complaint is here.

[Awson]

It's not a controversial topic at all. It's just a silly topic. And there are loads of bullshit threads that spawn endless debate that get posted in Spam. You can't use that one as a reason, especially before any debating even begins.

My problem is that it looks like it Spam xenophopia and pseudo-mob mentality pushed a thread into the redzone when it had no business being locked yet.

Sure, it was a shitty thread, but it shouldn't have been locked. At most it should have been ignored, and at least didn't need to be filled with the standard "fuck off" x 5.

Disclaimer: I'm not even against getting rid of threads that are going to end badly or that and just plain shitty. I'm against it being so arbitrary.

[Halo]

Awson said
It's not a controversial topic at all. It's just a silly topic. And there are loads of bullshit threads that spawn endless debate that get posted in Spam. You can't use that one as a reason, especially before any debating even begins.My problem is that it looks like it Spam xenophopia and pseudo-mob mentality pushed a thread into the redzone when it had no business being locked yet.Sure, it was a shitty thread, but it shouldn't have been locked. At most it should have been ignored, and at least didn't need to be filled with the standard "fuck off" x 5.Disclaimer: I'm not even against getting rid of threads that are going to end badly or that and just plain shitty. I'm against it being so arbitrary.

Such things are based on judgement, here. Of course it isn't perfectly rigorous; of course it's arbitrary. And, as I trust Sherly's judgement, I'm fine with that - the mods, although they also should not abuse the power they're given, should not be so caught up in red tape that they cannot take action when and if they deem it necessary.
I don't think it was nearly so xenophobic as you think. If such a thread comes from someone we know, often we can be sure that it was simply badly thought-out or whatever. Coming from someone completely random, who has no reason to post such controversy here, who has no reason to value our opinions, and therefore (unlike an established member of the community) certainly no reason to skip over OT where that stuff actually belongs, it reads much more like a petty troll attempt. It's the same as you forgiving your friend for shoving you, whereas you wouldn't forgive a stranger. You assume your friend is having a rough time of it and forgive them because you know they're not usually like that. You don't - cannot - assume that about the stranger. In the same way, I would overlook it coming from you, or from Tripz, or Idle, or Smiral, or whoever. But from folk I know less well - say, Giygas or Derpestein, or, again, any of the regular Spam folk I simply don't know as well - I imagine it would get a similar response. Being part of Spam isn't anything to do with it, within itself.
There is no fucking way that thread was legitimately posted in search of enlightening debate; everyone saw that, everyone was annoyed by it, and everyone - as individuals - posted to disagree with it, with the same autonomy as you have now expressed your disagreement. Just because you disagree with the majority does not make the majority - or, indeed, the mod who locked the thread - a mindless mob.

[Awson]

Halo said
Such things are based on judgement, here. Of course it isn't perfectly rigorous; of course it's arbitrary. And, as I trust Sherly's judgement, I'm fine with that - the mods, although they also should not abuse the power they're given, should not be so caught up in red tape that they cannot take action when and if they deem it necessary.I don't think it was nearly so xenophobic as you think. If such a thread comes from someone we know, often we can be sure that it was simply badly thought-out or whatever. Coming from someone completely random, who has no reason to post such controversy here, who has no reason to value our opinions, and therefore (unlike an established member of the community) certainly no reason to skip over OT where that stuff actually belongs, it reads much more like a petty troll attempt. It's the same as you forgiving your friend for shoving you, whereas you wouldn't forgive a stranger. You assume your friend is having a rough time of it and forgive them because you know they're not usually like that. You don't - cannot - assume that about the stranger. In the same way, I would overlook it coming from you, or from Tripz, or Idle, or Smiral, or whoever. But from folk I know less well - say, Giygas or Derpestein, or, again, any of the regular Spam folk I simply don't know as well - I imagine it would get a similar response. Being part of Spam isn't anything to do with it, within itself.There is no fucking way that thread was legitimately posted in search of enlightening debate; everyone saw that, everyone was annoyed by it, and everyone - as individuals - posted to disagree with it, with the same autonomy as you have now expressed your disagreement. Just because you disagree with the majority does not make the majority - or, indeed, the mod who locked the thread - a mindless mob.

I know I can't possibly prove the whole mob thing, so I'll let that one go.

And I would disagree with the notion that it would get a similar response if Giygas or Derpestein posted it.

But I will go back and say that the closed thread really wasn't a controversy thread or a troll thread. I mean... it could have been. And it could have turned into one. But at face value it looks like a simple pointless, dumb thread to me. It looked like a jokingly fake controversy thread. And even if that wasn't his or per purpose in making it, maybe it should have been treated as one until proven otherwise.

EDIT: We get away with it because we have already proven we're not trolls. Perhaps it shouldn't be assumed that other people are.

EDIT: I believe I was looking for the term "benefit of the doubt." Which actual trolls usually shatter in their second or third post. But that first post tho.

I believe that sums up my feelings on the topic. So agree or disagree, whatever.

[Overwatch]

Awson said
Didn't meet Spam standards?

Plus that whole mob routine.

Srsly you guys.

I bet you just wanted to talk about clone sex. Do you have the hots for yourself, Awson? It's ok, because we all do.

[Awson]

Overwatch said
I bet you just wanted to talk about clone sex. Do you have the hots for yourself, Awson? It's ok, because we all do.

^^ the exact kind of non-controversial posting that could have been had in that thread.

Nah, I was actually hoping to derail it to clone murder. You really don't want to ask why. :newkek

[Doivid]

Awson said
It's not a controversial topic at all. It's just a silly topic. And there are loads of bullshit threads that spawn endless debate that get posted in Spam. You can't use that one as a reason, especially before any debating even begins.My problem is that it looks like it Spam xenophopia and pseudo-mob mentality pushed a thread into the redzone when it had no business being locked yet.Sure, it was a shitty thread, but it shouldn't have been locked. At most it should have been ignored, and at least didn't need to be filled with the standard "fuck off" x 5.Disclaimer: I'm not even against getting rid of threads that are going to end badly or that and just plain shitty. I'm against it being so arbitrary.

Halo said
Such things are based on judgement, here. Of course it isn't perfectly rigorous; of course it's arbitrary. And, as I trust Sherly's judgement, I'm fine with that - the mods, although they also should not abuse the power they're given, should not be so caught up in red tape that they cannot take action when and if they deem it necessary.I don't think it was nearly so xenophobic as you think. If such a thread comes from someone we know, often we can be sure that it was simply badly thought-out or whatever. Coming from someone completely random, who has no reason to post such controversy here, who has no reason to value our opinions, and therefore (unlike an established member of the community) certainly no reason to skip over OT where that stuff actually belongs, it reads much more like a petty troll attempt. It's the same as you forgiving your friend for shoving you, whereas you wouldn't forgive a stranger. You assume your friend is having a rough time of it and forgive them because you know they're not usually like that. You don't - cannot - assume that about the stranger. In the same way, I would overlook it coming from you, or from Tripz, or Idle, or Smiral, or whoever. But from folk I know less well - say, Giygas or Derpestein, or, again, any of the regular Spam folk I simply don't know as well - I imagine it would get a similar response. Being part of Spam isn't anything to do with it, within itself.There is no fucking way that thread was legitimately posted in search of enlightening debate; everyone saw that, everyone was annoyed by it, and everyone - as individuals - posted to disagree with it, with the same autonomy as you have now expressed your disagreement. Just because you disagree with the majority does not make the majority - or, indeed, the mod who locked the thread - a mindless mob.

Awson said
I know I can't possibly prove the whole mob thing, so I'll let that one go.And I would disagree with the notion that it would get a similar response if Giygas or Derpestein posted it.But I will go back and say that the closed thread really wasn't a controversy thread or a troll thread. I mean... it could have been. And it could have turned into one. But at face value it looks like a simple pointless, dumb thread to me. It looked like a jokingly fake controversy thread. And even if that wasn't his or per purpose in making it, maybe it should have been treated as one until proven otherwise.EDIT: We get away with it because we have already proven we're not trolls. Perhaps it shouldn't be assumed that other people are.EDIT: I believe I was looking for the term "benefit of the doubt." Which actual trolls usually shatter in their second or third post. But that first post tho.I believe that sums up my feelings on the topic. So agree or disagree, whatever.

This all seems like a bit much

[Awson]

Doivid said
This all seems like a bit much

True. What, with ISIS and everything...

[Halo]

Doivid said
This all seems like a bit much

I take issue with hypocrisy. His mocking accusation that it was "beneath our standards" stuck in my throat a little, that's all.

[Aragorn]

I'm sad I missed it. :c

[Kaga]

Aragorn said
I'm sad I missed it. :c

There wasn't much to miss.

It's not like there was some long derpbate you could've been a part of.

Just less than half a page of, "clone sex?" followed by "no, fuck off" and then lock.

Like, you can just read the 4 or so posts that are there and get as much out of the thread as you could've in the two minutes or so it was around.

[aza]

Cause Karnee is a silly goose.

[Cpt Toellner]

Can we talk about real issues like Chem-Trails please?

[Dervish]

Cpt Toellner said
Can we talk about real issues like Chem-Trails please?

There's fluoride in the water!

Oh. That one's true?

Carry on, then.

[Larfleeze]

Cpt Toellner said
Can we talk about real issues like Larfleeze's Birthday please?

fixed it for you

[Awson]

Larfleeze said
fixed it for you

This thread is now Larfleeze birthday thread. Weeeeee~

Happy B-Day.

[Cpt Toellner]

Dervish said
Oh. That one's true?Carry on, then.

It is true, and I did a report on it for my Environmental Ethics class. There are varying levels of this theory, but we do know that it started when a prominent aluminum for US weaponry needed to get rid of excess fluoride, a by-product of the aluminum process. They commissioned a scientist with a dubious past that proclaimed fluoride was beneficial for the development of teeth. Many tests show that children in non-flouridated countries have worse teeth issues than those in countries that use fluoride, but most tests where third-world vs first world, so those results could be off.

That is the end of the hard facts, now some people believe the fluoride is not beneficial at all and is just a way for metal companies to sell their waste by-products to communities everywhere. The true believers know however that the Nazis experimented with water flouridification to make the populace more docile. And the US government got access to their notes and implemented the process.