Nasuverse Fate Rp

[VitaVitaAR]

Same here, eh-heh. ^^;

Honestly, I think the same holds true for most canon Servants. It's really hard to make anything for those particular figures that's as good.

Which is again why I think that if canon Servants aren't allowed, the figures they're based on shouldn't be allowed either. It's much more interesting to pick figures who haven't been used, or that only got used in AU stuff(unless it's confirmed they're like that in canon, too. Like Nero or Mordred. I think there's a few others like that too).

Though, like, um... I'd be okay with someone like Jeanne d'Arc getting in with minor changes if she was allowed. Since she would need a change to her NP so it doesn't light her on fire, eh-heh.

But, um, not one of the GM's so that's really not up to me. ^^; It's just that Jeanne hasn't shown up directly in any main Nasuverse material directly and all.

[Raineh Daze]

Tatsua Aiisen said
For the record, I'm going to decrease some of the numbers by the time she is legitimately summoned. Also, I wouldn't say she's a nobody in the first place, I think you might just not live in a place where she's famous...

She's still just a duellist from the past 500 years, not some mythological hero. XD

Speaking of which, PM'ed you.

[RolePlayerRoxas]

Everyone knows Tamamo and Sacchin are the best.

Also, Sacchin as a Servant is a good idea y/y?

Also also, I'd rather not mess around with canon. Arturia's female in Nasuland, so... Yeah.

[Hillbilly12]

I've never been in a Fate rp and this taking place in America with OC characters looks interesting. I'm probably going to choose a master to use since I'm not incredibly confident in my ability to RP a mythological or historical figure. Is there room for one more?

[Kumori Master]

Raineh Daze said
Any player-made version of Arthur would suck in comparison.

Why must they be compared? Why so, if the player is happy with their version what would be the problem? If how powerful they are is a problem, it seems they'd be just as powerful as any OC. I don't see a problem here.

You could easily make Arthur with a Noble Phantasm like Carnwennan the dagger of King Arthur in the Welsh Arthurian legends. It's attributed with the magical power to shroud its user in shadow. That could easily be helpful for a servant as recognizable as Arthur.

My apologies, I'm not trying to make this into any kind of argument, truly I'm not.

[Raineh Daze]

Kumori Master said
Why must they be compared? Why so, if the player is happy with their version what would be the problem?

They'd be compared because they're a Servant, and King Arthur. It's hard to not compare; it doesn't take thinking.

And, well... the problem is that more or less everyone else doesn't want it?

[Hillbilly12]

Well I likely don't count since I'm not in this yet, but having another Arthur wouldn't be terrible. Comparing Arturia to another Arthur would be just as valid as comparing them to any Servant. However judging the quality of this imaginary Arthur that someone didn't write yet is pointless. It could be interesting to have Arthur involved, but I'm not begging for it. There really shouldn't be a problem unless the GM is against it.

[Raineh Daze]

Hillbilly12 said
Well I likely don't count since I'm not in this yet, but having another Arthur wouldn't be terrible. Comparing Arturia to another Arthur would be just as valid as comparing them to any Servant. However judging the quality of this imaginary Arthur that someone didn't write yet is pointless. It could be interesting to have Arthur involved, but I'm not begging for it. There really shouldn't be a problem unless the GM is against it.

I'm against it, and Tatsua is against it, and LittleWing doesn't appear to be expressly in favour, so that's GM consensus.

Oh, and... I think everyone needs to do a Master and a Servant, sorry.

[Hillbilly12]

Raineh Daze said
I'm against it, and Tatsua is against it, and LittleWing doesn't appear to be expressly in favour, so that's GM consensus.Oh, and... I think everyone needs to do a Master a Servant, sorry.

Okay then I could possibly create a servant character. I'm not incapable of doing a servant since I'll end up doing one anyway since I like the series. I thought there was going to be a player doing a master then someone else playing a servant from what I read earlier in the thread. Either way I can make it work if I'm allowed to join.

[VitaVitaAR]

My problem is that it is very hard to write any alternate version of a canon Servant that's any good. Unless they can be summoned in multiple classes, in which case you could write them as their alternative class. And... Saber is kind of my favorite character in the whole Nasuverse so I kind of don't like the idea of changing her but that's not exactly the best reason.

On top of that, Noble Phantasms are something the Servant is known for, or a symbol of what they're known for. With Cu Chulainn, for example, his Noble Phantasm is Gae Bolg. Gae Bolg is the weapon that he is known for wielding in legend.

In line with that, Arturia's Noble Phantasms are Excalibur and Avalon(Invisible Air only kind of counts). These are the two best-known artifacts associated with King Arthur. It's the same with other Servants. Lancelot has his acts as a Knight, and his sword Arondight.

The only case off the top of my head that's different is Gilgamesh, but he's the first Hero so his circumstances are a little different in that respect. And his Noble Phantasms are still somewhat associated with his legend and position as the first hero. Well, Enkidu is much more direct since it's the chains used to kill the Bull of Heaven named after his best friend but yeah.

Basically coming up with an alternate Noble Phantasm for a character that has been used in canon that does not fit into other classes that makes sense is not easy.

[Hillbilly12]

I don't necessarily agree with writing to be a reason not to do a Arthur, but we could give a sample post to prove some form of writing ability. Plus it isn't necessarily altering Saber its just using a different character. I can understand the idea behind not changing Saber since I like the character. I will agree with the part about Noble phantasms. So yeah I can see why alt Saber wouldn't be allowed if you want to keep some consistency in universe.

[VitaVitaAR]

It's less writing ability and more that the canon versions took the best ideas. So it's hard to write up ideas as good as those. ^^;

Besides, it's a lot more interesting to take figures that haven't been used yet.

[Hillbilly12]

Just takes some imagination. I would generally expect a good unique idea from anyone who does an alt Saber. A alt Gilgamesh would make more sense to me because he is a lot more evil then the Epic of Gilgamesh makes him seem. Even writing an alt version of that more true to the story would still show some similarity to Nasu Gil. I can see your argument and I'm not trying to persuade you against it. I personally wouldn't do an alternate since I generally like most of the servants in both Fate/Stay Night and Zero.

[Raineh Daze]

Overall opinion is no. : |

This also probably takes place in the same timeline as canon, so such Servants literally cannot work.

[Hillbilly12]

Raineh Daze said
Overall opinion is no. : |This also probably takes place in the same timeline as canon, so such Servants cannot work.

Yeah I got that already lol. Just stating my opinion on the idea which in summary is "I'm not against it, but don't terribly like it unless I'm confident it will be done very well."

Edit: Also sorry for dragging this out even though I'm not even confirmed by a GM.

[Kumori Master]

I don't think that making a Heroic Spirit has to be so cut and dry. Type Moon took A representation but those aren't necessarily the only ones. You say Arthur's best known artifacts are Excalibur and Avalon, nobody ever said Excalibur had the power to level buildings. You could take an entirely different approach to it. Such as, It was known as "The sword which sliced through iron as through wood." This could easily be interpreted as a Noble Phantasm which would nullify any armor, magic and Noble Phantasm alike. Which would bring Arthur and his opponent into a dual of skill, which would certainly fit with the fact he is a knight.

Also, I still do not believe a player's version of a Heroic Spirit has to coexist with Type Moon's version.

My point isn't only meant with Arthur, I think the same for all servants that have already been used. Arthur just seems to be a prime example.

[Rin]

The general consensus seems to be against it, though, so it's probably better if the subject is just dropped and we move on to other things.

[Raineh Daze]

Kumori Master said Also, I still do not believe a player's version of a Heroic Spirit has to coexist with Type Moon's version.

In this case, yes it does. As I said (and as the setting we appear to be using indicates), the Fuyuki Grail Wars are canon. Therefore, alternate versions of Arthur don't work.

[Grey]

So it seems we don't have a main thread yet, so I'm stuffing my Hassan here for everyone to criticize, analyze, or whatever.

Assassin

Class: Assassin
Master:
True Name: Hassan-i-Sabbah the First
Gender: Male
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Appearance: Looks like a Hassan, smells like a Hassan, sounds like a Hassan, so it must be a Hassan!
Personality: Assassin is absolutely wicked cultured. Having been educated in subjects such as philosophy and warfare tactcs, he prefers to take the role of a teacher as he had in life, using his cunning and talent for speech in order to convert others to his cause and have them deal with whatever obstacles lie in his path, rather than get his hands dirty himself. While it seems like he might have a bit of an ego, it's quite the opposite. Sure he's confident in his own skills, but he isn't arrogant. He prefers to be humble, as pride usually comes before the fall and someone who doesn't go around bragging about their skills tends to be much more subtle, all things considered.

Stats:
Strength: C
Endurance: C-
Agility: A+
Magical Energy: C
Luck: A
Noble Phantasm: B+

Class Skills:
Presence Concealment
the capacity to hide one's presence as a Servant.

A+: It is possible to disappear completely and become almost impossible to be detected. However, efficiency will decrease once preparations to attack are taken.

Personal Skills:
Projectile - Daggers
The expertise for throwing projectile weapons; in this case, daggers.

A: At this rank, thrown daggers are propelled at speeds sufficent to give even the fastest Servants trouble.

Charisma
The natural talent to command an army. Increases the ability of allies during group battles.

B: This rank is suitable for the founder and leader of a fanatical religious order.

Soul of a Martyr
A mental protection that negates mental interference through firmness of faith.

C+

Noble Phantasm:
Zabaniya: Delusional Loyalty
B+, Anti-Unit
A crystallization of Assassin's uncanny ability to convert large groups of people into the infamous congregation of fanatics willing to obey all of his commands up to, and including, giving their lives for him, the Order of Assassins.

By initiating eye contact with those who do not possess magical resistance of any sort, Assassin can convert them into something not unlike a familiar without them being aware of the fact. He is able to see through their eyes, give them orders, or even take direct control of them. Additionally, if he has taken direct control of one of his subjects, that person possess the conversion capabilities of this Noble Phantasm, allowing for the rapid spread of Assassin's enchantment. This enchantment cannot be detected by modern magi, and in tandem with its rapid expansion, can allow Team Assassin to have a reliable information network to spy on other Master-Servant pairs and scout out the area. The maximum amount of sleeper agents is 150 at a time.

I imagined him being like the Gilgamesh of the Assassin class, what with being the original 'n' all, so I included above average Assassin stats in the package as well as a buffed Projectile - Daggers so he could feasibly fight on even grounds against an 'average' Servant. The rest of the skills wouldn't need too much of a stretch to justify:

• A+ Presence Concealment is an Assassin staple, so naturally he'd get it
• B Charisma because, while he isn't necessarily a 'king' (unless you want to call him the King of Assassins or something), he was well liked throughout most of the Middle East in life and led a rather... dedicated cult, but he also wasn't the most popular guy in the world so he doesn't get A
• Soul of a Martyr because I couldn't use Protection of the Faith since Hassan wasn't a martyr, and despite the name, Soul of a Martyr doesn't mention anything about actually having to have been martyred, just apparently having strong religious dedication, which Hassan had. It's C+ because he never actually had to go through too much trial and tribulation for his faith, but was really pious and was instrumental in the martyrdom of many of his followers.

As for Delusional Loyalty... I'm still iffy on the Noble Phantasm, since it seems too much like Hundred Faced Hassan's Delusional Illusion but... Better I guess? But I really couldn't find anything else significant the original had that I could feasibly make into an NP, so I took his ability to make fanatical devotees that would obey every command and ran with it. Though this time he uses his eyes to convert them, rather than a hallucinogenic substance, because according to canon, a Zabaniya NP apparently requires a bodily alteration of some sort. Plus there's that Middle Eastern belief about evil eyes, so it makes enough sense I suppose.

Though that brings up the (rather inconsequential) question, would I have to add the Mystic Eyes skill?

BUT ANYWAY.... If nobody likes/approves of 'im I can probably use a different Heroic Spirit.

[Tatsua Aiisen]

Parameters are too damn high on that assassin, but I don't dislike the concept.

My Opinion

Note that these are all balance related, rather than things relating to the character concept.

Luck doesn't need to be that high. He isn't a freaking leprechaun.
B+ rank for his noble phantasm isn't explained, B rank makes more sense unless you are able to present sound reasoning.
I don't see any reasoning for C+ in END, unless you can present such reasoning it should be reduced to C.
Agility is rather high, but within logical limitations.