[OOC] Cherry Blossoms Under the Silver Sky

[Genkai]

As long as you don't put equations into posts, I won't complain.

I still think if more people tried to play canons, they'd find out it's not hard and (for me) more fun to play with what we know about them and then to develop them differently. I roll my eyes when I see people always asking for canons to go alongside their OCs. Save that shit for fanfics in my mind, or at least offer to double and do it fairly. I like how canons are something everyone knows, often times OCs are either over complicated with a stubborn writer, or OCs are made by people who don't consider a concept or plot and just know they want a certain canon without making a decent character.

[SoleAccord]

Kakashi asks Sakura about a math equation now confirmed to happen in the future.

I think SOME characters are difficult to use well but not nearly all of them. The OC's and canons debacle can be cool, but not when it's meant to be played out as a character getting smitten by an OC instantly when they've never been huge on the opposite sex anyway. Like, imagine Shikamaru of all people being forced to be smitten by some new chick who is magically smarter than him or something stupid like that. I used Kakashi with some girl's OC once and she made Tsunade kiss her character's ass so hard it was pathetic and discomforting. I am ALL for OC's but not when you just want them for a power trip or to make yourself better than everyone else. She even had Tsunade threaten Kakashi if he messed with the OC, how lame is that shit? But OC's can be great, I just think you're not used to having good ones :D

[Genkai]

OCs can be good, or at least 'not bad' but it's pretty rare these days. I'd rather have a canon poorly written than an OC badly written because to me, OCs don't belong in fandoms, I like to keep original work and fandoms separate. I have had good instances with doubling for one or two people in the past but for the most part, those who make an OC just wanting a good time and to be romanced, are painful to work with.

Universes like Naruto or Avatar or HP can give birth to some of the worst OCs, so only certain fandoms to me, can house OCs alongside canons without screwing things up.

[SoleAccord]

I think OC's can work well as long as the setting isn't smack dab in the middle of the fandom's main story and they insert themselves in it to be made really important somehow. The OC's that just want to be romanced though? Yeah, lame.

I already told you before Naruto spawns the worst characters imaginable, makes me sick just thinking of all the overpowered boring characters I've had to read through. Is there really such thing as a bad Harry Potter OC though?

[Genkai]

Bad HP OCs happen when they end up doing:

- Pureblood in any House, totally misunderstood and an outcast, but a powerful witch/wizard.

- Mudblood who is bullied by purebloods, friendless but clever and loved by teachers alike, has a special pet.

- A son/daughter of a canon character who has zero flaws and yet is burdened by their expectations.

- An OC who is an animagus but keeps it to themselves, somehow also has a timer tuner so they skip classes to frolic on the grounds, only to go back in time and still get all As.

- A muggle struggling with being a witch/wizard, is also homesick and cries a lot. Then finds they have a knack for flying and gets on the team in their first year, still ends up being mopey.

I've seen plenty of cliche things, whether they're paired up with a canon or not.

[SoleAccord]

Yikes. I don't think I'd ever be a cliche OC writer, at least not to that extent. Some of those things wouldn't be so bad if the other detail in them wasn't present.

I've seen a Naruto character with like EVERY jutsu the Kazekage in the past had (Like Gaara, his father, etc) and he can react to just about anything, but the only weakness he had was that he was 'slow'. Gaara was slow too and he could kill just about everyone in his age group, yet I'm supposed to think that's balanced? And THEN this guy made a character who wanted to be Mizukage, and I told him that he can desire it but he won't get it due to plot reasons (being that the Mizukage was 'dead' but the village wasn't ready to take another because it's a large space to fill and they need to be careful), and he tried SO hard to show my character (son of the Mizukage) up. Like I make it clear multiple times that he has the village's support so a coup wouldn't happen, and if I had a handful of people appear to report to him as well as inform that guy that they wouldn't tolerate a coup, THAT asshole magically had a battalion of guys appear that supported him when I make it CLEAR EVERY TIME that there's no way a coup would happen without him losing.

So I've seen some SHITTY Naruto characters and people behind them. I am permanently cautious around people who make their own characters because most of them are bullshit anyway. I KNOW we won't ever be those people but everyone else might...

[Genkai]

That guy sounds like he was impossible to work with. Your characters can't all be ALL THAT and a bag of chips, you gotta have moderation. One cool character with solid skills, and then one who is working on it. But to have two sort of based on powerful types who want everything to be about them? I wouldn't put up with that for very long. The worst part is when those writers can't seriously see what's wrong with their ideas. I'd rather have someone outright admit to wanting to be overpowered or play a special role, than someone who thinks they're actually contributing.

Though I do gotta admit I have played 2 OCs who have been long lost daughters of a cool canon. My Naruto OC had her own blood targeting jutsu but her age and history backed it up, and the plot didn't revolve around her and her father reconnecting, but actually around other canons who she got to help, I didn't even want to ship her with anyone but my partner kept pushing his Naruto onto her so it happened lol

But those are instances where people are open about playing a weird OC or an OC for a certain canon still are easier to deal with since they're up front about what they want and why their character is a certain way. At least to me, I'd rather have someone admit they can change things, rather than be super stubborn and blind about their roles. A writer who can't step back and see issues is just as bad as someone in a bad relationship who just ignores red flags. I mean, when you're looking at something through rose colored glasses, red flags just end up looking like flags.

[SoleAccord]

YEAH. I could NOT believe he thought that the character was balanced in ANY form. I know elder characters are generally meant to have a strong moveset, but you can't be pushing like 80 years old and still be at your peak of power. No character in Naruto who was that old could maintain all that power and take on someone three times younger than them with ease. So people see these characters they make and don't look at them objectively. They think they're balanced because they made them.

Oh, I'm confident you did it well. I plan out romances sometimes, it's always nice not to though.

I prefer honesty like you, it's too bad others don't.

[Genkai]

I was just happy to use my OC so whether or not she had romance, didn't matter much. I can't say that for other writers but some people need to be honest. I can make an unbalanced OC if my partner's is just as bad but overall, if I try to ask about my partner's OC or why/how they might interact with the canon I'm playing, they take so much offense. I'm not doing an obvious romance if your OC is clearly not even compatible with a canon. I'd rather an OC be too much of a match, than one that doesn't make sense with other roles.

But anywho, we don't have to worry about bad OCs here.

[SoleAccord]

I understand. Sometimes I join rp's I don't really care for just to use one I like. The thing about asking a partner how an OC would interact with a canon or whatever is probably because they want you to interact with them and see. But what I find curious about that mindset is that so many people are simply too shy to find a method of interacting with someone and just want to be approached. I'd do a canon x OC with someone if I REALLY liked them. So basically you xD.

If we include OC's in any of the roleplay's we do now or in the future they will NEVER be bad.

[Genkai]

Yeah most people with an itch for an OC x Canon pair generally want things to center around their OC, but even then, some people have nothing to offer in terms of plot or direction. Doing an OC x Canon thing with you might work out but since we handle canons so well, it's never really crossed me haha.

[SoleAccord]

We do canon's really well and it leaves us both fulfilled. I can't see us using them unless they are children of our canons or a part of the plot in some form, like Asami's 'old friend' is going to be. Unless the universe is as infinite as Pokemon, we may never need to do it.

[Genkai]

I could see us possibly doing an all OC Orphan Black style of RP maybe...or co-GMing some kind of small group but using canons at present, I don't really have an OC or an itch that only a canon can scratch. I mean right now, our canon pairs are pretty awesome and any canon x OC stuff wouldn't deal with the fandoms you'd be comfortable doing. I think we're pretty solid right now, sadly not ever fandom RP is this easy.

[SoleAccord]

Orphan Black is still so complicated to me. Trying to rewatch from Season 1 to get a better understanding. I could see a Canon and OC intermingling RP being managed by you and co-managed by me depending on the series we cover, say Yu Yu Hakusho or something. The only itch I think I know I could really scratch, yet not desperately, is a Yu Yu Hakusho thing leading up to the Dark Tournament or at its conclusion. But for right now I'm not desperate, and like you said, I like what we got right now :3

[Genkai]

I did an all OC Orphan Black thing with someone, it was pretty fucking fun. And it went in an entirely different direction too (less complicated). I should rewatch season one, considering the next season looks like it's gonna go back to that tone/setting of everything. I want a clone to die though, we've had close calls but like certain roles on GoT or TWD, it's hard to see a certain canon getting killed because they're so loved. I hate to think a character is 'death-proof'.

YYH is lovely, I've never had a RP give it the justice it deserves. I feel like we could really give it the amazing polish it deserves. Honestly, the second to last arc was my least favorite but it had some cool moments with Kurama and Genkai. The last arc was fine, given Yusuke's now godstatus, everyone else was wrapped up fine enough.

[SoleAccord]

We've talked about that like three times and I am TOTALLY COOL with Alison dying. But no Helena dying - EVER. Fucking EVER.

I think Genkai coming back to life kinda killed the tragedy of the Dark Tournament but that's just me. It would be fine if she came back temporarily, but to just DBZ her is anticlimactic for me. Not that I wanted her dead or anything. We'd probably need to avoid Yusuke if we ever did one and just do the Botan x Kurama thing, so, you know, we can't just blitz everything xD

[Genkai]

I'd rather Helena die than Alison. But I'd rather lose Cosima. She's already hanging on by a thread in my mind. I love her but you can't make her sick in season one and still hanging on after season three. But I mean like, killing off Sarah or something, I wouldn't expect it and I doubt a lot of people are.

I forgot how it even happened or why. But I didn't care because she died at the end of the series anyway. I think the purpose of her coming back was to end up teaching Yusuke and the others with psychic talents. Her coming back doesn't strike me like a DBZ thing though. She's old, she doesn't have a long time left either way, without her spirit orb, she's even weaker as opposed to Goku coming back even stronger because he trained while being 'dead.' I still think if we did a Kurama x Botan one, it could be pre-series or post-series since by then, Yusuke isn't really around much. But with just Kurama and Botan, it would be a little hard to find plots that aren't canon, even if Kurama was made a detective.

[SoleAccord]

LOL Sarah dying would be a huge twist given this was all from the perspective of her for the longest.

My idea of Post-Tournament is just an AU involving Kurama taking more of a lead in being made a detective, whether long term or short term, in order to offer Yusuke a break after the tournament. Everyone's already so strong post-series, we'd need something big for that, something ridiculoussssss. A mystery sounds more fun than just a demon blitzing but we'd throw those in there too :3

[Genkai]

Exactly. But with a new clone joining the group, I gotta bet on one "original" from the first season, dying. Delphine doesn't count and I don't even like her. I'm glad Rachel is still around (for now) though. I wonder who our new foe will be, her mother?

If it was post-DT, I could see Koenma wanting to give Kurama and or Kuwabara a temporary "try" as a detective. Clearly with Kurama's power and smarts, he's the best choice but then again, with Yoko, he's a bit of a wildcard. So of course Botan is sent to observe them (she already evaluated Kuwabara) and suddenly there's a job to do. While Botan attends class with Kurama at his high school (or university) they try to investigate some odd occurrences around the school like things vanishing, people suddenly acting out, weird shit like that. Some demon is lurking around but it can't be detected as usual, it's cunning and after people's life energy. It promotes chaos.

During the day however, Botan adjusts to having to do school work to keep up appearances. Many of the girls mock her because she's clearly not clever enough to be in their school, not to mention she's often eating lunch with the school's hunk. And because Koenma is a cheapass, Botan ends up staying at Kurama's place in a spare bedroom, she helps his mother with the cooking and cleaning and in return, Kurama helps Botan with her school work. People assume they're a couple and everyone hates them. Soon there's a dance followed by an overnight sleep over at the school for the upperclassmen, it's there that the demon finally makes a big move, forcing Kurama and Botan to once again sneak off to deal with it themselves. After the battle (Botan using her useful baseball bat which has been altered to hit demons with a powerful static shock upon impact) Botan and Kurama make their way back to the group looking rather worn out, more rumors circulate, when school is back in session.

I rambled. Whoops.

[SoleAccord]

Lol honestly I barely retained any worthwhile information last season. Ms. S and Helena was a cute little moment, Helena wanted to beat her ass xDDD

You already have it all figured out <3 I could see a potential subplot building where the Yoko side of him grows weary of being the lapdog of Koenma and tackling demons far beneath him. I'll need to refresh my memory of how Yoko and Kurama both work. Didn't Yoko inhabit the body of a woman's baby that wouldn't survive without him as a form of thanks for that woman freeing him from a trap or something like that?

If Botan's living with him and always around him, the rumors can't be helped, to the point Kurama can only deny them if asked face to face, but of course no one would believe him. Kurama's the popular guy based on looks and intelligence (not to mention strength no one can comprehend there), so for Botan to just show up out of nowhere and assert her position as his secret girlfriend (to them) may look like some form of challenge. With the scenario you named with Botan returning a little worn out and Kurama short of breath, that just increases the rumors even further. As far as Koenma is concerned, it'll be the perfect cover for them to be together for cases so much. He then asks them to pretend, and you know what happens next XP

I like your rambles <333