[OOC] Massive Multiversal Crossover

[DiamondBlizzard]

Still, teleportation and insta-avoidance are big no-nos. I'm not going to go into the acres of personal bias I have against OC vampires that are basically WoDpires with the weaknesses filed off, but they've got some nastily abuseable powers.

@Earnest Evans

Aw...tsk....I can live without teleporting, but I can't suspend projectiles and magicks in midair? WoDpires? Also, Vitae Manipulation is a TRUE vampire's spirit, it is another source of magic, available only to vampires, it is anti magical, and has many uses.

[Earnest Evans]

Still, teleportation and insta-avoidance are big no-nos. I'm not going to go into the acres of personal bias I have against OC vampires that are basically WoDpires with the weaknesses filed off, but they've got some nastily abuseable powers.

@Earnest Evans

Aw...tsk....I can live without teleporting, but I can't suspend projectiles and magicks in midair? WoDpires? Also, Vitae Manipulation is a TRUE vampire's spirit, it is another source of magic, available only to vampires, it is anti magical, and has many uses.

@DiamondBlizzard

Have you ever heard of Vampire: The Masquerade or Vampire: The Requiem? They're fantastic tabletop games, exploring the depths of what it means to be a Vampire, and the nightly struggles of coping with having to injure to survive. You've made characters that basically seem like Tremere vampires but without such silly things as "relevant specialization" or "personal faults" or "relevance to being vampires". Personally, I'm curious as to how they'd fit in with either faction, as neither of them seem very useful in military engagements (being vampires) so Shadow Eternity wouldn't want them, and they're vampires, so UMMA's going to keep them on a short leash. Also, if Vita Manipulation is anti-magical, how is it a source of magic?

[VitaVitaAR]

I'd like an in-depth explanation of the abilities you mention, especially exactly what vitae manipulation is and how it's anti-magic.

[DiamondBlizzard]

I'd like an in-depth explanation of the abilities you mention, especially exactly what vitae manipulation is and how it's anti-magic.

@VitaVitaAR

Let's see how to explain it....Vitae Manipulation is a True Vampire's spirit, a "born" one you could say. Vampires draw their magic from their spirit as to use magicks which could be elemental or perhaps something else such as Umbrakinesis. It has MANY applications and uses. It is anti magical due to the fact that the Spirit of the Vampire can only be controlled by oneself (vampires can't control each others' Vitae) and if I remember correctly Vitae is anti magical in that sense that it's another...."layer" of magic. To counter it you'd need to use Vitae against Vitae or not use magic, I myself use it to force opponents into a fair-fight situation. I'll see if I can dig up more on it. Distance Manipulation has the following uses I am aware of, it is the ability of warping distances from one point to another: -Teleporting -Suspending Projectiles and Magics in midair, you could call it "Isolating -Suspend someone's movements. -Take an object such as a heavy boulder and warp the distance to nothing between it and the opponent. -Manipulating distances on a smaller level, such as Atoms and all that. (I don't have this confirmed yet, nor can I find a proper use yet, either) -Disabling machines/guns, warping the distance inside the machine tyinmake the mechanisms be too far away from each other. -Manipulate the organs inside someone's body, usually the heart so as blood never arrives to it.

[Earnest Evans]

So Vitae is basically what psionics is to magic... while still being magic in absolutely every way. You've just made magic that people can't stop with magic. I don't have a problem with this, beyond the weird oneupsmanship about it that basically makes it "Magic But Better". Also, those listed powers are phenomenally overpowered. Instant avoidance of attacks, instant stopping of enemy attacks just in case avoidance can't work, instant teleportation of something that can instantly kill someone right ONTO them, and instant killing of anything technological or organic. This is just a few steps beneath active reality warping.

[VitaVitaAR]

Um, okay, this is coming across as "immune to anything magical", and being able to instantly kill other characters with no resistance. It's sounding extremely broken. I know Saber has magic resistance, but you can still hurt her with magical weapons, just not pure magic, and she can't unavoidably instant-kill people.

[DiamondBlizzard]

For Distance Manipulation, I limit it to myself and usually don't pull bullshit unless someone else does. I mostly use it as to use for defensive and support uses. (Jamming guns and suspending projectiles/magicks) Though I do mix in offensive techniques as well if needed. For Vitae same applies, someone pulls bullshit, I do as well. This I usually use as to counter elemental magicks as well as disable any sort of guns or explosives. I use both Vitae and Distance as to force opponents into my combat expertise, but I do have other uses for it. Oh, and of course a source of magic. The thing is, both "Velly" and "Rommy" mix Mana and Vitae in their magicks as to conserve their magic and make it more/less effecient as needed.

[Earnest Evans]

So you'll "only" restrict your extreme bullshit powers to when you really have to? Like, say, when you're about to lose a fight? Currently, even restricting your powers to just no-selling every projectile you'll face is Gold Experience Requiem-tier powergaming (still kinda sizzled that that got through, but oh well). Honestly, I'd suggest picking a canon/AU vampire and abandoning the Vitae and Distance stuff.

[VitaVitaAR]

To be fair, GER is heavily nerfed to the point where just multiple attacks at once can bypass it. ... And if that's not the case I need to do some talking to Dead Cruiser. ^^; This is honestly sounding unacceptable to me for the reasons Earnest Evans has mentioned.

[DiamondBlizzard]

So you'll "only" restrict your extreme bullshit powers to when you really have to? Like, say, when you're about to lose a fight? Currently, even restricting your powers to just no-selling every projectile you'll face is Gold Experience Requiem-tier powergaming (still kinda sizzled that that got through, but oh well). Honestly, I'd suggest picking a canon/AU vampire and abandoning the Vitae and Distance stuff.

@Earnest Evans

Nonono, you misread that. If someone decides to do something entirely unfair (which shouldn't happen) I'll do the same to them (pseudo-cosmetic abilities). Velorina herself has little experience with Vitae Manipulation so she'll only really disable guns and explosives if anything. She just uses it as to use her magicks.

[VitaVitaAR]

If someone does something broken, I will put my foot down and put a stop to it. I'm sure Roxas will do the same. That's part of a a GM's duty. Letting the players handle that sort of thing by themselves is a bad idea that leads to nothing but trouble.

[DiamondBlizzard]

If someone does something broken, I will put my foot down and put a stop to it. I'm sure Roxas will do the same. That's part of a a GM's duty. Letting the players handle that sort of thing by themselves is a bad idea that leads to nothing but trouble.

@VitaVitaAR

Fair enough. I assume Distance Manipulation is a no-go. And as for Vitae Manipulation...what's the verdict on that?

[VitaVitaAR]

Honestly? I don't like the sound of any of these abilities, and I will say that generally I don't like people signing up with multiple associated characters who heavily interact with one another. I allowed it a few times, and it would be in poor form to go back on accepting those characters, but I don't want people just RPing with themselves.

[Mtntopview]

I'm back for today. What did I miss?

[Raineh Daze]

@Mattmanganon I think you missed the bit about the fight being over.

[CourierSix]

Okay, how much have I missed? I've recovered to the point where I think I can put out a post of acceptable length?

[FacePunch]

Okay, how much have I missed? I've recovered to the point where I think I can put out a post of acceptable length?

@CourierSix

You haven't missed too much, I think. There's a Blackout and a Dio post, and then one of mine. That -might- be everything? Maybe?

[Mtntopview]

Okay, how much have I missed? I've recovered to the point where I think I can put out a post of acceptable length?

@CourierSix

just falling and then not falling. Not much

[Dead Cruiser]

To be fair, GER is heavily nerfed to the point where just multiple attacks at once can bypass it. ... And if that's not the case I need to do some talking to Dead Cruiser. ^^;

@VitaVitaAR

...Was that part of the agreement? Well, good thing I heard about it just now.

[VitaVitaAR]

I was under the impression it was, given how we agreed it had to be a conscious act to neutralize an attack. I'm sorry, I think there was a misunderstanding on my part there. ^^;