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Yeesh, we got so heated, we drew in a lurker. Though I always appreciate another perspective in a debate, Plank, we're starting to wind down I think, and it might have been better if you didn't introduce yourself with an accusation. That said, I don't know if we have any open slots in this RP currently. IF you really want in, it might take some creativity to work you in.

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Yep, not in the slightest. It's a mental tick I have. I can't take anything serious on the internet.


I could probably learn to take a page from your book, honestly. If I hadn't gotten so serious, I'll bet some upset could have been avoided.
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In conclusion...

I am happy to call this entire ordeal quits. The United States is hardly a perfect country, with a dubious past at times, but what country isn't? Today is a day I will drink Doctor Pepper to celebrate what good it has done, and I hope that even if we don't see eye to eye, we can at least continue to be friends.


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You know, taking it seriously now, I actually put forward a question in a debating thread about the nukes of Japan. I got this back.

'The bombing of Japan was the beginning of the Cold War. You can list all sorts of reasons for it, but its really simple. Germany had just been defeated a few months before, and Russia had begun the process of controlling East Germany. The Potsdam Accord was signed on Aug 1st, with France signing on Aug 4th. None of the western nations liked it, but they were trying to prevent another war between Russia and the US/UK. Patton had already suggested invading Russia since the troops were already there, and Churchill had drawn up some plans. It was as tense a situation as there can be, so the accord was signed. Russia then declared war on Japan, they had been neutral towards each other up until this point though Stalin had agreed to declare war after Germany was defeated. He did as he promised, but Germany was defeated in April when Hitler was killed and officially surrendered on May 7 and he waited until he forced the other allies into giving up half of Germany before he committed to war in Japan.

On Aug 6th the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. They had already been planning a full scale invasion of Japan, with Russian help already promised. However the US, UK, and France were nervous as hell about Russian involvement after what happened in Germany. My opinion is that the bombs were dropped so that Japan would surrender to the US, and not to Russia. Technically they surrendered to the allies, but they did so before Russia could move troops across Manchuria and secure any of the Japanese held territory for their own.

It wasn't about the number of soldiers that would be saved trying to island hop across the Marianas, it was about ending the war as fast as possible to limit the spread of Soviet communism.

What most people don't realize is that the targets of the atomic bombs, including those not actually bombed, were going to be firebombed if nukes weren't used. Nuking a city takes one bomb and one mission. Firebombing, and this was the case with the infamous Tokyo firebombing of "Operation Meetinghouse" (March 9-10, 1945), including multiple raids on the same target. Tokyo was hit more than once. So, Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all the other cities spared conventional bombing because they were potential nuke targets would, I would argue, have suffered more casualties if they were conventionally bombed. Another tidbit most don't realize is that we kept bombing Japan even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. Japan was going to be burned to the ground whether or not "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" were dropped or not'
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Sorry for posting again. Didn't refresh, xD

and yes... I'm a socialist... don't hate me... <.< >.>
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And to think this all started from harine and I having a laugh and hamming up the patriotism-pastiches on our Independence Day
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Today is a day I will drink Doctor Pepper to celebrate what good it has done, and I hope that even if we don't see eye to eye, we can at least continue to be friends.


Hey, of course we can still be friends. I was in a political debate club and stuff, so... yeah.
Also... that's why I'm German. Incredibly tolerant with other people who have a different opinion to mine... xD ^.^
(which is a pretty new mindset in Germany, to be honest.)
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This thread is getting too serious. Time for the Capt'n.

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And to think this all started from harine and I having a laugh and hamming up the patriotism-pastiches on our Independence Day


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http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/#atop

Articles 1, 3 and 25 might be interesting for you. 25 is even the right for medical care.

Also, the German budget is about 300 billion Euros. Today that would be about $310 Billion. The US requested budget for 2015 is $3.9 Trillion. 22% of that is a lot. We have 11% and an unemployment rate of 6.2% decreasing very quickly.

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And that is bad why? Isn't it the main task of a country to provide the best quality of life for their citizens as possible?


That would be why, then. That's a United Nations declaration. If medical care is in their constitution, no wonder it's so prevalent among european countries.

Then the US is paying a lot more than Germany in health care for its citizens already, and it's not even single-payer. I don't see why you're complaining.

The Affordable Care act wasn't the way to go about it in my opinion. It's driving the US further into debt. A prerequisite of 'quality of life' is 'life', which defense affords, and defense is already prioritized less than health care as it is. I wouldn't want the balance to swing even further.

I think I've said about all I've came here to say, and I think you're in the same boat. I'm glad to see an ideological counterpart whose profession of tolerance actually extends to people with different political ideologies. It's something you don't often see in an age where conservatism is often outright dismissed by those who claim to be receptive to new ideas. SO, kudos to you. It's time for all of us to refocus our attention on RPing.
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SO AMERICAN IS WAS MADE IN JAPAN!



Which reminds me I always wanted to have a mini-mech or power armor as a weapon. Maybe that's something I could incorporate into gren's arsenal when i get more points.
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WE MUST DO MORE!



Get 'em, brother!

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I googled "German Pride" and found this on the first page...



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I googled "German Pride" and found this on the first page...



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I googled 'The most british picture ever'

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