[OOC] Final Fantasy X: The Final Atonement

[Silver Fox]

@Aerandir

I'm not saying I didn't like it, I'm saying it out of concern. There are GM's who abuse their power to the point where they completely take over to the point that it might as well be them writing a fanfiction. Rping is cooperative. You created it, but every player makes the story.

It's a subject that is constantly argued over xD

GM vs. Players.

Just saying to not go over power play which I mean is when the GM takes over the character to the point to making them feel what the GM wants, do what the GM wants, all the time.

And Nai seemed already pretty beat up so I did worry you did go overboard with kicking a injured frail person to the point of KOing.

But I don't mind it as long as the players are alright with it. Which is why you should always ask the player. Even if it's through PM. Especially when it is something damaging.

Also, remember, Alex may be young but from day one she's been training. For both living in the jungle amongst friends and to train as a guardian. Socially, no she's gonna fail like she did here. But she's fully reactive. Emotionally and physically. Same with pretty much the rest of the friends. Actually all the characters have had to work over the years for fighting (other than Saina but we don't know her bio so can't vouch for her.) they just don't have experience in journeying (well Nai and Alex at least)But if you really don't like the hit then I'll edit it out.

Still interesting. But Alex will need a revive after this. It might just be a taser to some people, but Alex is very vulnerable to magic or elementals. She can take a physical beating no problem, but magic and elemental is different and by how that KO'd her WITH electricity, she isn't waking up until a raise or Phoenix Down. And she was already pretty beat up even with a potion.

And because of this and how others acted, her affinity may tilt the other way.

Fun! :D

[ReaptheMusic]

@Aerandir

Also, remember, Alex may be young but from day one she's been training. For both living in the jungle amongst friends and to train as a guardian. Socially, no she's gonna fail like she did here. But she's fully reactive. Emotionally and physically. Same with pretty much the rest of the friends. Actually all the characters have had to work over the years for fighting (other than Saina but we don't know her bio so can't vouch for her.) they just don't have experience in journeying (well Nai and Alex at least)But if you really don't like the hit then I'll edit it out.

Still interesting. But Alex will need a revive after this. It might just be a taser to some people, but Alex is very vulnerable to magic or elementals. She can take a physical beating no problem, but magic and elemental is different and by how that KO'd her WITH electricity, she isn't waking up until a raise or Phoenix Down. And she was already pretty beat up even with a potion.

And because of this and how others acted, her affinity may tilt the other way.

Fun! :D

@Silver Fox

Actually I've been wondering about this Silver. How is it someone, who was more or less shunned from society and lived in a cave learned to be so... well, perfect. XD

She didn't have anyone to train with or any sort of master swordman to learn from and yet she both moves and attacks like someone that's trained under the best swordsman. Have you ever seen someone learn how to do things on their own? It's MESSY unless someone has the grace to teach them. It's just too fluent, and way too good for a self-made swordsman. I can't give anything away about Saina at this point in time but she's only HALF DECENT with a sword and she DID have a teacher. XD

Alex has never been exposed to the wilds beyond Besaid from what I understand. WHY is she never phased by ANYTHING? It's not like she's ever been on the sea, before, fighting a Kraken. When Alex SAW the damn thing she didn't even so much as bat an eye. Not to mention back when they got attacked in Besaid she was able to leap straight into action without even, well, caring. That is, in the case of surprise. XD

Why do you insist on making your character so seasoned when she's blatantly new to the world of Spira? You're telling me that if someone ran up to you with lightning crackling around you that you wouldn't flinch? That's not 'Being Fearless,' thats being boring. XD XD XD

Please see Exhibit A vuv :

[Silver Fox]

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Actually I've been wondering about this Silver. How is it someone, who was more or less shunned from society and lived in a cave learned to be so... well, perfect. XD

She didn't have anyone to train with or any sort of master swordman to learn from and yet she both moves and attacks like someone that's trained under the best swordsman. Have you ever seen someone learn how to do things on their own? It's MESSY unless someone has the grace to teach them. It's just too fluent, and way too good for a self-made swordsman. I can't give anything away about Saina at this point in time but she's only HALF DECENT with a sword and she DID have a teacher. XD

Alex has never been exposed to the wilds beyond Besaid from what I understand. WHY is she never phased by ANYTHING? It's not like she's ever been on the sea, before, fighting a Kraken. When Alex SAW the damn thing she didn't even so much as bat an eye. Not to mention back when they got attacked in Besaid she was able to leap straight into action without even, well, caring. That is, in the case of surprise. XD

Why do you insist on making your character so seasoned when she's blatantly new to the world of Spira? You're telling me that if someone ran up to you with lightning crackling around you that you wouldn't flinch? That's not 'Being Fearless,' thats being boring. XD XD XD

Please see Exhibit A vuv :

@ReaptheMusic

If a selfish, temperamental, overly possessive, violent person who literally is the one who got her own friends into trouble because of said temper/ideals is perfect, I'd hate to see who's the most flawed xD (although I do always feel the exact same with Saina. She seems perfect which probably isn't true)

I do see your point but she did have teachers. She's trained both on her own and with Tidus and Wakka. Actually demanded training every time she could get a chance.

As for her confrontion with fiends, she is less afraid of them for unexplained reasons, and for they fact they usually don't attack her on her own. She's gotten too used to it. But she is terrified of the pyreflies and always retreats from them. That and Tonberry.

But she is not afraid of death. She faces that every time she goes to sleep. Which is probably why she won't hesitate to jump into battle. There's a reason for that as well. But she isn't phased by battle. She is phased by more emotional means. And Tonberry. And Pyreflies.

And it's not like she hasn't been on a boat or airship. It be weird if she hadn't as a blitz all player.

As with the Lightning user, it wasn't as if she wasn't exactly unafraid, but if she clinched then she'd lose her pride in what she believes is right. Which in this case, she really believes she does xD

That and if she was afraid of every lightning, fire, ice, she could hardly be around Nai. Or actually any single person in the group since they all have that advantage over her. Using magic. Every single one can do it and do lethal damage to her. (Well actually I dunno if Sifen has magic. But heck he has grenade launchers for the win xD).

What can Alex do? Use a sword, punch stuff sloppily and just relying on brute strength that is over the average of normal people, and run and dodge. Nai and Saina can both KO her if they land a good hit(she would have been out far longer than Nai was if Saina speared her with ice. Which lucky for Alex, hasn't happened). Gippal also (I think he knows black magic). Only reason she didn't run into a issue in both encounters is because she didn't run into a magic user. Like a flan. Flans screw her. .... No not like that you sick minded person xD

But perhaps I could of played her a little better xD maybe a bit more nervous with the captain since she used electricity but then again, doesn't seem there are too many people who don't know magic.

I did kind of want a little down time now they were out of town and she wasn't totally mad like she was on the boat, but maybe another time. (Cause this to isn't a so out of place event. Though bad luck it was the mayor's son xD)

Edit: Sifen is actually one of my favorites. He's quite flawed. There's a lot to complain about and I've given him shit and poked fun. But I find that good. He's almost adorable. Or klutzy adorkable. Weird xD

[Experiment 249]

>Sifen not being mentioned as having adventure experience

Motherfuckin' been lost since he was 9. He's got this adventure shit on lock, just not so much jungles. and cities.

I think he's my favorite too though, but I'm biased.

EDIT: Read the post wrong, noticed you were listing people WITHOUT experience

EDIT part 2: You're gonna see Sifen and his whole interaction with magic soon with the chair. So stay tuned for that, haha.

[Silver Fox]

>Sifen not being mentioned as having adventure experience

Motherfuckin' been lost since he was 9. He's got this adventure shit on lock, just not so much jungles. and cities.

I think he's my favorite too though, but I'm biased.

EDIT: Read the post wrong, noticed you were listing people WITHOUT experience

@Experiment 249

My mind spaced he had experience, but I figured he did I just didn't remember how xD why I always need to recheck CS's

But yeah, he's pretty cool. Got some rough edges but he's cute.

... Don't tell him that. Some guys don't like that. XD

[ReaptheMusic]

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If a selfish, temperamental, overly possessive, violent person who literally is the one who got her own friends into trouble because of said temper/ideals is perfect, I'd hate to see who's the most flawed xD (although I do always feel the exact same with Saina. She seems perfect which probably isn't true)

I do see your point but she did have teachers. She's trained both on her own and with Tidus and Wakka. Actually demanded training every time she could get a chance.

As for her confrontion with fiends, she is less afraid of them for unexplained reasons, and for they fact they usually don't attack her on her own. She's gotten too used to it. But she is terrified of the pyreflies and always retreats from them. That and Tonberry.

But she is not afraid of death. She faces that every time she goes to sleep. Which is probably why she won't hesitate to jump into battle. There's a reason for that as well. But she isn't phased by battle. She is phased by more emotional means. And Tonberry. And Pyreflies.

And it's not like she hasn't been on a boat or airship. It be weird if she hadn't as a blitz all player.

As with the Lightning user, it wasn't as if she wasn't exactly unafraid, but if she clinched then she'd lose her pride in what she believes is right. Which in this case, she really believes she does xD

That and if she was afraid of every lightning, fire, ice, she could hardly be around Nai. Or actually any single person in the group since they all have that advantage over her. Using magic. Every single one can do it and do lethal damage to her. (Well actually I dunno if Sifen has magic. But heck he has grenade launchers for the win xD).

What can Alex do? Use a sword, punch stuff sloppily and just relying on brute strength that is over the average of normal people, and run and dodge. Nai and Saina can both KO her if they land a good hit(she would have been out far longer than Nai was if Saina speared her with ice. Which lucky for Alex, hasn't happened). Gippal also (I think he knows black magic). Only reason she didn't run into a issue in both encounters is because she didn't run into a magic user. Like a flan. Flans screw her. .... No not like that you sick minded person xD

But perhaps I could of played her a little better xD maybe a bit more nervous with the captain since she used electricity but then again, doesn't seem there are too many people who don't know magic.

I did kind of want a little down time now they were out of town and she wasn't totally mad like she was on the boat, but maybe another time. (Cause this to isn't a so out of place event. Though bad luck it was the mayor's son xD)

Edit: Sifen is actually one of my favorites. He's quite flawed. There's a lot to complain about and I've given him shit and poked fun. But I find that good. He's almost adorable. Or klutzy adorkable. Weird xD

@Silver Fox

I especially refer to her 'excelled grace' on the boat when fighting off fiends, and a myriad of other movement techniques. You say she's imperfect, personality wise, then why do those flaws go away when it's convenient? She's been nothing but a perfect friend to those around her and she's not even once tried to fight someone within the group. Are you afraid of her looking bad?

When it comes to Saina, yes, she is graceful and elegant, yes, she is calm, but she is far from perfect. She got caught in a net, a rather large and easily unavoidable one. She got captured. She couldn't slay the kraken on her own. She needed the help she got.

and Yet you still question her sense of perfection even with these physical flaws.

The tone of that might sound accusatory due to the 'language' of computer text and all but I do mean it. You still appear to find Saina to be cool and near flawless even though she's presented several flaws and has struggled physically and mentally over the course of the rp. The point is you can have your cake and eat it too. If you WANT us to perceive her as being flawed, as being incredibly rough, as being someone who came from nothing like you make her out to be, then you've done a very poor job of showing it to us.

What you KNOW about a character means nothing unless it is SEEN. X3

Edit: Wakka and Tidus? And you expect us to believe she's super graceful.

This is Wakka.

WAKKA.



Nobody is going to learn to be graceful, MUCH LESS with a sword, from Wakka

OR TIDUS FOR THAT MATTER. Have you seen the guy fight??? He himself is REALLY not that good. He gets the job done, that's for sure, but he definitely has no style to it x-x Auron, now he had style.
If you ask me, a 6'8 hulking woman is never going to be graceful. The words that come to mind are clunky, awkward, but entirely practical.

[Experiment 249]

Oh and @Kal-el we can collab whenever, just start writing at This link

[Silver Fox]

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I especially refer to her 'excelled grace' on the boat when fighting off fiends, and a myriad of other movement techniques. You say she's imperfect, personality wise, then why do those flaws go away when it's convenient? She's been nothing but a perfect friend to those around her and she's not even once tried to fight someone within the group. Are you afraid of her looking bad?

When it comes to Saina, yes, she is graceful and elegant, yes, she is calm, but she is far from perfect. She got caught in a net, a rather large and easily unavoidable one. She got captured. She couldn't slay the kraken on her own. She needed the help she got.

and Yet you still question her sense of perfection even with these physical flaws.

The tone of that might sound accusatory due to the 'language' of computer text and all but I do mean it. You still appear to find Saina to be cool and near flawless even though she's presented several flaws and has struggled physically and mentally over the course of the rp. The point is you can have your cake and eat it too. If you WANT us to perceive her as being flawed, as being incredibly rough, as being someone who came from nothing like you make her out to be, then you've done a very poor job of showing it to us.

What you KNOW about a character means nothing unless it is SEEN. X3

Edit: Wakka and Tidus? And you expect us to believe she's super graceful.

This is Wakka.

WAKKA.



Nobody is going to learn to be graceful, MUCH LESS with a sword, from Wakka

OR TIDUS FOR THAT MATTER. Have you seen the guy fight??? He himself is REALLY not that good. He gets the job done, that's for sure, but he definitely has no style to it x-x Auron, now he had style.
If you ask me, a 6'8 hulking woman is never going to be graceful. The words that come to mind are clunky, awkward, but entirely practical.

@ReaptheMusic

And Alex hasn't fought the Kraken. She hit one tentacle. Stuck in the edge of the ship. She almost got hit by a beam if not for Urick. She only fought all the little creature on the ship and the only actual big creature she did fight was the Garuda which did fuck her up.

Saina, fought the Kraken with help and one shotted Aeon Nai. Granted, she did get really drained on it, but it is now a known ability she can magically push ice from in a body and out.

And I figured after twenty years, Tidus would have gotten a bit better at the sword. He isn't a kid anymore.

As for a friend, she's only really been a perfect friend to Naisha. From the beginning and now. She's kinda treated Urick poorly and a bit Gippal. For a good portion of the time. She was good to them until the temple point.

What did she do as thanks for Urick when he saved her. Yelled at him. She did apologize but still, not a good friend if you yell at a longtime friend for saving your ass.

Or when she met Eva, what she do? Jump to conclusions, snap at Eva, yell at them and storm off. Yes, she asked Urick for a explanation, but she hardly gave him any time to properly reply despite knowing how he is.

And didn't really talk to them on good terms until on the boat. And even then it was only cause she was listening the story.

And when they got to the island and was starting being nice to them, she snapped again in town. I mean she made Urick disgusted. Urick. And now, she snapped at her friend again, being Braska, giving her sound advice to shut the hell up.

As for not fighting, why? In what point did any of them cause a reason for a fight? I probably should of put Sifen since ya know, he looked suspicious with bringing in the Calvary xD

Plus, when was there time for fighting? They got on the boat, slept, got in a battle, got shipwrecked, relaxed a few breathes then more shit started xD

But the reason is she is trying not to fight them because they are Guardians. She takes guardianship seriously and that means trying to not fight other guardians unless it is sparring which will probably be a thing when everyone is healthy. It will probably still happen and granted I didn't explain that in post. But again, none of them really have done much, even Saina whom Alex has barely spoken to. Only to say rotten things, or when Urick was involved.

She will probably be angry again with Urick and Braska.

And look what she did now, she got her friends in trouble with the law and KO'd. At their first temple beside Besaid. In like a hour. Good friend. XD

Does she try her best to protect them? Yes. But to be a "perfect" friend it takes more than that.

But hey, I know you don't care for me.

But, I shall attempt to try a bit better and apologize for being a appalling Rper xD

>Sifen not being mentioned as having adventure experience

Motherfuckin' been lost since he was 9. He's got this adventure shit on lock, just not so much jungles. and cities.

I think he's my favorite too though, but I'm biased.

EDIT: Read the post wrong, noticed you were listing people WITHOUT experience

EDIT part 2: You're gonna see Sifen and his whole interaction with magic soon with the chair. So stay tuned for that, haha.

@Experiment 249

I'm strangely excited for this.

[rivaan]

Phew finally home after having a nightmare of a weekend ^_^. Time to read the things..

*reads posts* What the... *reads posts again*...

O_O

What on earth... Seriously things went from bad to catastrophic... time to go bury myself in the fallout bunker cause there are going to be explosions -__-'

* starts hastly packing luggage*

[Aerandir]

ok so from all of this we can get one thing. We all are working on becoming better writers. We all have to remember we don't have every member of the group's character memorized like we have our own. So we must continually periodically explain why/how our character is doing something because we will forget. Showing more flaws (raw emotion flaws like fear and worry) is a perfect way of bringing the character back down to earth so everyone is happy.

Also, even though everyone has been training to fight for at least like 11 years or so. Besides Maximus who is the oldest of the group. Even though we have been through some hairy things for our characters stories, they are still technically kids, adventuring to the side, still green in the world.This is what I'm stressing, I want them to find others who are stronger than them and get ass's handed to them so they grow even more in the rp.

I am no where near perfect but When I look at this from a Reader's standpoint it helps a ton, I have to remember that we to write the obvious *For us* down so the reader can learn more, As for me I understand each character more than everyone because I do see the pm's and work out back stories. But others don't, so give them a reason*withoutrevealiingthebackstory* somewhat understand

[Silver Fox]

Phew finally home after having a nightmare of a weekend ^_^. Time to read the things..

*reads posts* What the... *reads posts again*...

O_O

What on earth... Seriously things went from bad to catastrophic... time to go bury myself in the fallout bunker cause there are going to be explosions -__-'

* starts hastly packing luggage*

@rivaan

I am now reminded of Life is Strange and how that bunker was like over 3 mil. XD

ok so from all of this we can get one thing. We all are working on becoming better writers. We all have to remember we don't have every member of the group's character memorized like we have our own. So we must continually periodically explain why/how our character is doing something because we will forget. Showing more flaws (raw emotion flaws like fear and worry) is a perfect way of bringing the character back down to earth so everyone is happy.

Also, even though everyone has been training to fight for at least like 11 years or so. Besides Maximus who is the oldest of the group. Even though we have been through some hairy things for our characters stories, they are still technically kids, adventuring to the side, still green in the world.This is what I'm stressing, I want them to find others who are stronger than them and get ass's handed to them so they grow even more in the rp.

I am no where near perfect but When I look at this from a Reader's standpoint it helps a ton, I have to remember that we to write the obvious *For us* down so the reader can learn more, As for me I understand each character more than everyone because I do see the pm's and work out back stories. But others don't, so give them a reason*withoutrevealiingthebackstory* somewhat understand

@Aerandir

Indeed, I understand the whole finding tougher opponents. Just wanted like a little notify with people. Through Pms so maybe it's more surprising for everyone else ^^

Also, I have given hints on her backstory. Little ones but they are there. XD

[rivaan]

Myyy poor little Nai... -___-' @Aerandir that guard of your is a monster to do that to an injured girl who clearly can't actually act on her threats Q_Q.

[Aerandir]

the whole point was to throw everyone off guard. including the players involved. It gives us a chance to roll with the punches and write on the fly and not get bored with knowing everything that's gunna happen, and also remember our characters actions do bring consequences. Though a bit strong in the reaction, withe the lightening and kicking, it shows that the party cant get away with doing what they want, that there is still a law system *though highly flawed* in the game.

Before Lenora was just going to put them in handcuffs and walk them away for questioning, and a fine. But with the assault of the youth league member and the threat against everyone not involved in the issue she was forced to put them down. Though she enjoyed it too much she was doing what she thought best for the safety of the people of Kilika.

This is also going to reveal more about Urick Gippal and Maximus, and who they are. For the reader's point of view

edit: @Rivaan How is Lenora supposed to know how strong or not a person is. But because she gave a threat to destroy Kilika, a town that was destroyed multiple times by Sin, it still holds some weight for all those who live there. Kinda like the twin towers and how it sparked such a change in the world of security. Making threats like that even if they cant be pulled off, are going to be met with extreme action,

[rivaan]

I know that, but I'm sure you also realize when Nai's wakes up she isn't just going to stay nice and calm. IF there is some kind of let's say magic supression device on her say it now so I know for later when I write.

But yeah action and consequences. And the action of her getting beaten up to that point has the reaction of her throwing magic stuff around. Just remember what happened in besaid at that night at the beach :3

[Silver Fox]

the whole point was to throw everyone off guard. including the players involved. It gives us a chance to roll with the punches and write on the fly and not get bored with knowing everything that's gunna happen, and also remember our characters actions do bring consequences. Though a bit strong in the reaction, withe the lightening and kicking, it shows that the party cant get away with doing what they want, that there is still a law system *though highly flawed* in the game.

Before Lenora was just going to put them in handcuffs and walk them away for questioning, and a fine. But with the assault of the youth league member and the threat against everyone not involved in the issue she was forced to put them down. Though she enjoyed it too much she was doing what she thought best for the safety of the people of Kilika.

This is also going to reveal more about Urick Gippal and Maximus, and who they are. For the reader's point of view

@Aerandir

Yeah but it wasn't really surprising honestly. Not compared to the Kraken xD By how both Alex and Lenora acted, I kinda saw a violent outcome. This is more like common sense that this would happen. Yeah, you hurt someone (even if it's note as bad as they claim) and the law comes, yeah gonna get arrested.

And hey, it said in Alex's personality, that her actions almost always brings consequences. So she's literally almost always in trouble like this xD just in Besaid she got a liiiiiittle more slack. Her punishment was a closet. Cause she was a kid.

Course I couldn't play her calm and smart, especially when she believes this is unfair Justice.

So yes. There will also be consequences with characters as well. Good or bad.

But it will be interesting for the Urick, Gippal and Maximus bit.

[Aerandir]

but you have to remember if you were knocked out and put into prison, and start attacking the guards do you think that is going to end well?

[rivaan]

Ohh don't worry. Even if hse has no magic supression device or whatever on her placed. She won't be able to use magic for a while with her... BEING BEATEN UP LIKE THAT! With that said, I forsee a very interresting RP possibilities coming out of this.

[Silver Fox]

but you have to remember if you were knocked out and put into prison, and start attacking the guards do you think that is going to end well?

@Aerandir

Doesn't matter what WE think. Matters what our characters think.

WE know it's a horrible error. We knew it was just better to go with them and shut up.

But we aren't playing us xD

....our characters are either going evil or dying.

But Alex will be KO'd so all good. XD

[Aerandir]

even if they are characters they still are a sense of you. Besides EVERYONE knows if you are in prison you don't attack the guards if you don't want repercussions I'm sure Nai and alex would be smart enough to know that.

[rivaan]

Yep, they are, but you know how the saying goes : for every action there is an opposite in power reaction :3 This beating won't go unpunished in the future. Mark my words :3