[OOC] Nexus of Worlds- Darkness Rising- A Guild Tournament

[Skallagrim]

I hate tiers except in the most broadest of terms, basic human, powered and the really insane big guns. The issue is not T1, it has been around a VERY long time in a few incarnations and is the most accepted form of textual combat. The problem is there are very few people who really understand the concepts of T1 which is why you can exploit it. T1 provides a means for textual writing combat but too many on this site prfer to have crunchy numbers to make things fair instead of writing a fight. Rilla and I can fight without character sheets using T1 because we trust each other and know what we can and cannot do in the system.

[GreivousKhan]

Weird seeing an argument I haven't caused for once.

I see no issue with Yoshua's queries, I think the issue here is that there really is no decent distinction between what is statistically assured and what T1 is set in place to balance. If the point of T1 is that every action is completely equal, then how do the varying unique powers and the like interact? How does anyone decide how much damage anything should do? What statistics do we ignore when deciding how something works and what do we follow? Yoshua is right technically, there are so many scientific implausibilities in that power that its existence should really boost the tier of Khan's character beyond the majority of characters here, but T1 in theory balances it, at least it's supposed to. The thing is, if T1 makes everything balanced, why do character tiers exist? Surely every character is fundamentally the same then and therefore tier is unimportant, but as every imbalanced fight ever seen has shown, tiers are definitely required to keep a fight entertaining and competitive.

I kind of agree with Rilla in the sense that the more technical Arena fights get the less fun they are from an artistic perspective, but T1 is specifically designed for competition and yet really doesn't do a particularly good job of explaining much of anything at all. Do you just accept someone can do something everytime they do it, regardless of if it makes logical sense, just because T1 states all things are equal? It doesn't really allow for the natural imbalances, the strengths and weaknesses, that make any match-up fun.

I dunno, seems like someone needs to re-iterate what T1 means in regards to this forum, because it's unsatisfactory in many ways as it stands, at least for me. I'm growing tired of the current system, I can exploit it easily with really very minimal effort, I choose not to most of the time because I really do believe this should be about fun and interesting stories rather than just winning, but the tournaments are ultimately competitive, and they need a rule-set that everyone fully understands to stop these issues cropping up.

@MelonHead

Don't worry, it is your fault, since you set the precedent to doubt Skalla in the first place. You remain as the source of all arguments.

[MelonHead]

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Don't worry, it is your fault, since you set the precedent to doubt Skalla in the first place. You remain as the source of all arguments.

@GreivousKhan

I'm a cynic, I'm British and I'm a Uni student, I wouldn't be doing any of those things justice if I just accepted everything as a given.

Regardless, fair enough.

[Skallagrim]

To be honest Melon, had you entered text combat a few years earlier you'd have fit in well. Quite a few cynical, British, Uni students held sway for a while. They argued passionately, fought extremely well and usually couldn't be bothered to deal with people who didn't bother to even learn the basics of T1.

Fights were written well, exciting to read and a win was earned.

*** you remind me a little of Lord Saladin, which is probably why I like you.

[MelonHead]

You might be right, I wish I could have been there in the early days. Oh well.

[GreivousKhan]

The Bromance continues.

[Skallagrim]

I lust for you Khan

[DJAtomika]

you remind me a little of Lord Saladin, which is probably why I like you.

@Skallagrim

Wasn't Saladin the fella that was better than you way back when

Also why am I still here I'm out already

[Fallenreaper]

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Wasn't Saladin the fella that was better than you way back when

Also why am I still here I'm out already

@DJAtomika

Comic relief? It could use it... it seems.

[DJAtomika]

@Fallenreaper My guy's one of those deadpan idiots lol

If Skall permits it I could make a fluff post or something

[Skallagrim]

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Wasn't Saladin the fella that was better than you way back when

Also why am I still here I'm out already

@DJAtomika

Yes, he was and probably is still better than I am. But you know, we all have people we learn from. People who force us to examine what we are doing and realize there is a better way. A more precise way that makes the writing better and makes the fights worthwhile, elevating you as a writer and fighter.

On a side note, the lobby is open to anyone at this point. If you are looking to get your feet wet in a brawl, this may be for you. I will be throwing some black hats into the lobby shortly.

[Rilla]

In general, if people wanted a better system - they'd make one. We literally do it in almost everything else we do anyway. I didn't like how Bleach RP's were run on OldGuild(everyone literally captain level, and making Aizen look like a lowly graduate), so I made my own. It was up to others to use it/play in it.

[GreivousKhan]

As a side note, the Fallen are also a descended race, though unlike the Dreamers don't have DBZ powers or anything.

Though they do have sweet tech at least.

[Skallagrim]

How do you know the Dreamers don't use technology to achieve the effects they do?

[GreivousKhan]

How do you know the Dreamers don't use technology to achieve the effects they do?

@Skallagrim

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

What difference would it make.

[Skallagrim]

None, but they do use technology. Everyone knows I prefer science over arbitrary whimsey of magic.

[Fallenreaper]

@Fallenreaper My guy's one of those deadpan idiots lol

If Skall permits it I could make a fluff post or something

@DJAtomika

:P It can't be any worse then the mood currently, at least a deadpan you can be humorous for him! Me, I'm currently waiting for Rilla who's helping Jacer get into there after a heated... issue had arisen before.

[Skallagrim]

Never count on Rilla to get you involved, he tends to conviently forget.

[Skallagrim]

For the final match I am going to give the fight 25 days. My son is due on 10/22 so I don't want to have to worry about reading a fight that week.

[DJAtomika]

Congrats!