[OOC] The Duel Tower: The first year students. (A Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Academy Roleplay.) [Axed]

[vancexentan]

Alright I'm just going to put this right here for those who want to see the absolute best english dub ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs

[Jangel13]

Okay so who is going to class and who is going to the track?

[Scarifar]

Those who have Turbo Dueling are going to the track, while everyone else is going to Synchro.

[The Irish Tree]

Alright I'm just going to put this right here for those who want to see the absolute best english dub ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs

@vancexentan

youtube.com/watch?v=bMSb5_HtI3g
Close second, maybe?

[vancexentan]

@The Irish TreeMaybe but I still like the born again christian homophobic fifth grader.

[Ammokkx]

Uh, @vancexentan? You should probably assume people in-universe aren't as linear as people IRL. I don't think there'd be very many people out there that even knew how to pull off a synchron combo, and professionals probably frown on it too. I mean, you can draw a few parallels with our world, but the way I see syncrho be used in-universe is more like 'Oh great, I can tune! Alright, let's go!' rather than 'Okay, so how do I get this synchro our in the least amount of time?'

Speaking of which, I don't quite see why all the hate on the basic stuff. Yes, we know it already. And others do too. But that's not... The point? It shouldn't nearly be as obvious in the YGOverse as it is IRL, I mean FFS, Yuzu kept screwing up fusion summoning until she got it right for once. The world of Yu-Gi-Oh! certainly draws parallels with our own, but it doesn't function in the same way.

I dunno, it sounds a bit nitpickey, but it does bother me a little you go in with the mindset of someone who's all about meta. Even I didn't have Ethel, someone who's supposed to be a natural, dismiss those lessons because she hadn't heard about them. It's fine if your characters know how to do it already, but acting like it's obvious to everyone just kinda... Feels wrong.

EDIT: okay, real talk for a second. On top of that, uh, I have to address a concern of mine. Why does it feel like Ben and Andre know EVERYTHING about the game? Aren't they supposed to learn things as they go along? It seems pointless to me to attend an academy if you already know Ice barriers are shit, for example. Like, you're not supposed to really say that? It's a deck like any other. If the character saw it in action, sure, form an opinion. But if Andre knew how to Synhron combo, why the hell isn't he playing that deck and raking in mad cash? Fucking find the cards and rek your way to the top FFS.

[The Red Seelie]

@Ammokkx

Vincent doesn't know exactly how to Synchro summon barely fusion and a little Xyz.

Why? because he knows how to stop them happening (kill the materials to kill the resultant)

[Ammokkx]

@Ammokkx

Vincent doesn't know exactly how to Synchro summon barely fusion and a little Xyz.

Why? because he knows how to stop them happening (kill the materials to kill the resultant)

@1Charak2

...Great. I wasn't talking about you.

[Eklispe]

Megan: "I can special summon. Kinda."

[Ammokkx]

Megan: "I can special summon. Kinda."

@Eklispe

see, this is the kinda shit i expect most kids to be like that don't know maybe like a single summon method.

[vancexentan]

Andre and Ben have been dueling since they were small children. Their older brother is a pro on and off with his tag partner. Andre's backstory that has yet to be revealed had him dueling A LOT due to his uncle. Dueling, especially tag dueling, was a big part of their family history. If they learned nothing at all from tag dueling on the streets when they could and watching their big brother play in the big leagues then they're pretty piss level duelists. Ben himself is the least skilled out of the bunch of them and half of it is because he likes people to have a chance to duel bringing out his big guys only when he needs too. All of the Carson siblings have a big backround when it comes to dueling and Andre has the advantage of having played with different decks or having observed them being played. The one thing is Ben who has done nothing but warriors half the time. He finds the basic stuff boring because he's seen it done but he still hopes there are ways he didn't know of like the various elemental heroes and he's never seen a contact fusion before.

Andre knows the synchron combo because he had it used on him in the past and he got his ass whooped because of it during one of the pre-stated backstories. He refuses to use it because he's edgey like that and doesn't like following the same rhythm as everyone else why else would he have ARCHFIENDS as his archetype. Likewise even if he wasn't like that he'd be stuck with a basic synchron deck off the bat and he doesn't like using decks half cocked. Archfiends in his opinion are meant for all out brawling and even at their current stage. Why they're here is because Andre wants come credentials on his resume and Ben's here to make sure his brother goes through it alright and he himself is curious too see what he can learn.

As for Andre's attitude...he's an asshole who thinks if it isn't obvious enough to everyone at hand that they really are beneath his time. It's not a matter of him knowing it or not it's him viewing others as beneath him. Ben finds fusion boring because big shock there are no warrior fusions he's really interested in seeing come out outside of the buster blader archetype. When was the last time anyone actually used flameswordsman? He prefers easy Xyz summons or ways to find out how to bring out Xyz monsters as he likes the concept of taking his smaller guys and making bigger guys out of them. Andre sees his units as chess pieces, archfiend chesspieces not withstanding, and if he needs to sack a couple of his guys to get the 'king' piece or the player in this case then he's perfectly willing to throw his archfiends into the banished zone so his Emperor can go on a rampage.

[Ammokkx]

@vancexentan That explanation is
great and all but

If they know all this stuff then kindly remove yourself from the academy? I don't want know-it-all students that are better than the rest. I don't like being rude here but feel like I have to. It's not fun.

Plus, the excuse you gave is bad. Yuma had been dueling since pretty much a toddler and, agreed he was an idiot, but never really learned how to duel proper until someone basically told him 'ALRIGHT, GET THE HELL UP WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT THIS TIME'. In the same vein, Yuya's dad is a professional but Yuya himself is a pretty average duelist that didn't really know how to use the extra deck methods. And even if the combo got used once, I don't think a true character in the YGOverse would really begrudge the deck or even remember it all that much.

Like, this all seems EXTREMELY OOC for a setting like this. I don't want characters to know everything right off the bat, it's not fun.

[vancexentan]

So unless I turn my characters into base level duelists after all the work I've put into my posts and my characters I'm getting kicked out? I'm sorry but that doesn't seem fair. It's not like they're using their knowledge to their advantage. They're not breakout super stars and both of them have only been in one duel and Ben won by the skin of his teeth by drawing out his queen. I can't fault Andre's one duel because he had no way out of the situation other than ramming your character's monsters.

If that's truly the case I will back out gracefully but I honestly don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I haven't displayed any sign of trying to be OP. The most I've given is the aforementioned King Artorgius. If it wasn't for him Ben would've lost the duel right then and there and Artorgius at this stage is a real overwhelming obstacle. The reason I am refusing to change the depth of their knowledge all the way down to beginner as a GM myself seems far fetched. If you want to know WHY Andre is so dead on specific about keeping knowledge on in his head then I'll tell you in a private message. It's not like he's a super genius it's sheer determination and his unwavering disgust with having more main stream decks that keep certain things in mind. If he was playing against a junk deck (not synchrons), or amazons he'd not know how to counter them and rely on his archfiends to power through which would just put him in a hard place. I won't bother to speak about Ben because his response to anything has always been to try and get it out of there with his queen or by Rank 5 Artorgius leaving cards like Beelze to wipe him out. Andre and Ben haven't played against the following archetypes: Amazons, Harpies, Jurracs, Hazy Flame, Elemental Heroes, Neo-Spacians, Hunders, Steelswarm, BLS-Super Soldier, and Gishki. They also haven't seen Dark Magician, battle boxers, or normal pendulum monsters before (Decks that rely on effectless Pendulum summoning). Granted none of us actually play those archetypes but those are indeed the stuff they haven't seen and don't know how to counter without relying on their usual 'bash the thing until it's dead' mentality.

[Eklispe]

Do you really have a list of all the archtypes they know how to play against? O.O

[vancexentan]

I know it all off the top of my head I like to keep a list of stuff my character can and can't do mentally.

[The Red Seelie]

So unless I turn my characters into base level duelists after all the work I've put into my posts and my characters I'm getting kicked out? I'm sorry but that doesn't seem fair. It's not like they're using their knowledge to their advantage. They're not breakout super stars and both of them have only been in one duel and Ben won by the skin of his teeth by drawing out his queen. I can't fault Andre's one duel because he had no way out of the situation other than ramming your character's monsters.

If that's truly the case I will back out gracefully but I honestly don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I haven't displayed any sign of trying to be OP. The most I've given is the aforementioned King Artorgius. If it wasn't for him Ben would've lost the duel right then and there and Artorgius at this stage is a real overwhelming obstacle. The reason I am refusing to change the depth of their knowledge all the way down to beginner as a GM myself seems far fetched. If you want to know WHY Andre is so dead on specific about keeping knowledge on in his head then I'll tell you in a private message. It's not like he's a super genius it's sheer determination and his unwavering disgust with having more main stream decks that keep certain things in mind. If he was playing against a junk deck (not synchrons), or amazons he'd not know how to counter them and rely on his archfiends to power through which would just put him in a hard place. I won't bother to speak about Ben because his response to anything has always been to try and get it out of there with his queen or by Rank 5 Artorgius leaving cards like Beelze to wipe him out. Andre and Ben haven't played against the following archetypes: Amazons, Harpies, Jurracs, Hazy Flame, Elemental Heroes, Neo-Spacians, Hunders, Steelswarm, BLS-Super Soldier, and Gishki. They also haven't seen Dark Magician, battle boxers, or normal pendulum monsters before (Decks that rely on effectless Pendulum summoning). Granted none of us actually play those archetypes but those are indeed the stuff they haven't seen and don't know how to counter without relying on their usual 'bash the thing until it's dead' mentality.

@vancexentan

That is a very small amount of archetypes considering how many their are.

Just saying

[Ammokkx]

So unless I turn my characters into base level duelists after all the work I've put into my posts and my characters I'm getting kicked out? I'm sorry but that doesn't seem fair. It's not like they're using their knowledge to their advantage. They're not breakout super stars and both of them have only been in one duel and Ben won by the skin of his teeth by drawing out his queen. I can't fault Andre's one duel because he had no way out of the situation other than ramming your character's monsters.

If that's truly the case I will back out gracefully but I honestly don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I haven't displayed any sign of trying to be OP. The most I've given is the aforementioned King Artorgius. If it wasn't for him Ben would've lost the duel right then and there and Artorgius at this stage is a real overwhelming obstacle. The reason I am refusing to change the depth of their knowledge all the way down to beginner as a GM myself seems far fetched. If you want to know WHY Andre is so dead on specific about keeping knowledge on in his head then I'll tell you in a private message. It's not like he's a super genius it's sheer determination and his unwavering disgust with having more main stream decks that keep certain things in mind. If he was playing against a junk deck (not synchrons), or amazons he'd not know how to counter them and rely on his archfiends to power through which would just put him in a hard place. I won't bother to speak about Ben because his response to anything has always been to try and get it out of there with his queen or by Rank 5 Artorgius leaving cards like Beelze to wipe him out. Andre and Ben haven't played against the following archetypes: Amazons, Harpies, Jurracs, Hazy Flame, Elemental Heroes, Neo-Spacians, Hunders, Steelswarm, BLS-Super Soldier, and Gishki. They also haven't seen Dark Magician, battle boxers, or normal pendulum monsters before (Decks that rely on effectless Pendulum summoning). Granted none of us actually play those archetypes but those are indeed the stuff they haven't seen and don't know how to counter without relying on their usual 'bash the thing until it's dead' mentality.

@vancexentan

Listen, m8. I'm fine with your characters knowing shit. But want to be let in on a secret?

Shinrei doesn't know how to synchro summon.

That's right, a character with the history of A PROFESSIONAL DUELIST, doesn't know something. So why should I allow you to know more than someone who's played on the big stage? There is, literally, ZERO point to attending an academy if you've already got the knowledge for it all. Sure, it's not OP to have that knowledge. But I'm not argueing that. I'm saying it isn't fun. It's not fun to read someone whine about Synchrons. It's not fun to have someone go 'I know all this basic shit'. It's not fun for someone to go 'Fuck Turbo, Fuck Action'. It's not fun.

Also, that's a very specific list of archetypes to not have played against. Are you saying that they know how to basically counter every deck people have in this rp? By the way, not salty about my duel at all. I consider that to be one of the most fun ones, in fact.

Also, the way you're writing them? No offense, they are breakout superstars. Mr. mc. Edge for example apparently knows how every situation is perfectly played, ever and even feels the need to announce himself with a custom harmonica tune(Note: I actually like that. Don't change that.) Andre? He literally explained how to beat a deck with another deck. At the time, I found it a neat and funny little tidbit. Now? It jut looks tacky.

I'm fine with your characters knowing things. But the amount you know? Man, I just gotta say... You're not in the right setting. You were supposed to have them learn the encyclopedia those two have, not get it right off the bat.

Vance, I don't mind you man. I think you're a decent enough writer. But scale back your stuff, it doesn't look right at all.

[Eklispe]

How does one counter a deck without playing specific cards for it? Do you have decks set up to fight certain archtypes? Like you know what an archtype does but that doesn't necessarily help you that much, other than maybe knowing what the boss monster is. Doesn't everyone use "the beat it till its dead" mentality? I mean isn't your deck's objective the same regardless of your opponents. Question is up for anyone btw. :D

[Ammokkx]

How does one counter a deck without playing specific cards for it? Do you have decks set up to fight certain archtypes? Like you know what an archtype does but that doesn't necessarily help you that much, other than maybe knowing what the boss monster is. Doesn't everyone use "the beat it till its dead" mentality? I mean isn't your deck's objective the same regardless of your opponents. Question is up for anyone btw. :D

@Eklispe

Not completely true. If you know what your opponent can do, you make slight shifts in your strategy to accomodate for it.

I'm going to swarm the field with easy to get out monsters against Pengu soldier, but like hell I'm going to try it on a mass removal deck. I'd rather just get out my beatsticks ASAP.

[The Red Seelie]

How does one counter a deck without playing specific cards for it? Do you have decks set up to fight certain archtypes? Like you know what an archtype does but that doesn't necessarily help you that much, other than maybe knowing what the boss monster is. Doesn't everyone use "the beat it till its dead" mentality? I mean isn't your deck's objective the same regardless of your opponents. Question is up for anyone btw. :D

@Eklispe

Heres how one counters EVERY DECK

Amorphages (just ask Scar after I showed him how broken the archetype is if played right (if it makes the old powerhouse decks look tame AND can turn sataller into a crap deck yea its kinda broken))

now then you was saying?