[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[Unoedipal]

@Moonman
I'd like some justification for the STR and END parameters, since they're unusually high. Moreso on END, really. I won't veto it, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Raise Riding by a rank since a Rider with C rank Riding isn't really a thing.

Make Leper's Curse rankless (just use a "-" in place of the rank). I applaud you for actually putting in a largely detrimental skill, it's always nice to see that.

You can put his horse in Weapons, since it's similar to Medusa's pegasus in that it isn't a Noble Phantasm, but just a mount.

Regarding the Noble Phantasm, what are the knights? Are they Heroic Spirits, wraiths, or what?

[PaulHaynek]

Whipping up a Master now.

[Turboshitter]

Is it too late to get in on this? Also, anyone who plays as Arturia Lancer from Grand Order and lets me be their Master has my eternal love and adoration.

[kusanagifire]

She may not be acceptable, being from FGO and lacking some info and all ;w;

[Turboshitter]

She may not be acceptable, being from FGO and lacking some info and all ;w;

@kusanagifire

I dunno, we know her personality is the same, we know her stats and skills as Lancer, and we know a fair bit about her spear Ron thanks to the Waver Velvet Case Files. There's a lot less missing information compared to other GO Servants.

Plus I have been waiting ages for an RP with her in it @_@

[Unoedipal]

Is it too late to get in on this? Also, anyone who plays as Arturia Lancer from Grand Order and lets me be their Master has my eternal love and adoration.

@Turboshitter

We don't know what the thirteen seals on Ron's use are. Considering you need to meet at least seven of them before you can release the True Name, that's a problem, so she's off the table. Sorry. ;;

We also don't know what her new skill does, so yeah.

[kusanagifire]

Ill get my master CS up as soonas I get this worked out with the GM. ^^;

[Turboshitter]

I don't want to be too pushy in someone else's RP, so I'll make one last argument then stop. I haven't read the Case Files so I'm not too clear on the specifics, but whatever the first seven seals on Ron are they must already be broken/be easy to break by the time of the modern age if Gray, a normal albeit somewhat special human, is able to use it. And if Nasu isn't going to treat the specific conditions required to break the first seven seals as important (otherwise they would've been explained already), then why should we? Clearly the first seven aren't a matter of the utmost importance, so as long as we don't go past that there's no problem, no? ^^

As for the skill, that could be either ignored (say it was "locked" due to an incompatible/un-ideal summoning or Master) or we could just make something up. In a lot of Fate RPs I've been in before that was half the fun, since Nasu never explains like, anything.

[Unoedipal]

I don't want to be too pushy in someone else's RP, so I'll make one last argument then stop. I haven't read the Case Files so I'm not too clear on the specifics, but whatever the first seven seals on Ron are they must already be broken/be easy to break by the time of the modern age if Gray, a normal albeit somewhat special human, is able to use it. And if Nasu isn't going to treat the specific conditions required to break the first seven seals as important (otherwise they would've been explained already), then why should we? Clearly the first seven aren't a matter of the utmost importance, so as long as we don't go past that there's no problem, no? ^^

@Turboshitter

You're mixing up swinging Ron around with releasing the True Name. Gray's never released the True Name. And I wouldn't say Nasu's treating the conditions as unimportant, since it's specifically mentioned in Lancer Alter's profile that you need to unlock them before releasing the True Name. There's that condition set up in canon mechanics, so I won't be ignoring it. When you app a canon, you app a canon.

[Turboshitter]

*shrugs* Then limit to just swinging it then. It already has anti-armor attributes, that's pretty cool. Plus tbh I was never a huge fan of the Excaliblast type of NP. Sure it's cool, but it's also kinda lazy from a storytelling perspective, and I could probably think of a million more creative things you could do with Excalibur as a weapon besides "King Arthur Kamehameha".

But I've already done more arguing than I said I would so I'll respect your decision and hope something equally as good comes along ^^

[Unoedipal]

*shrugs* Then limit to just swinging it then. It already has anti-armor attributes, that's pretty cool. Plus tbh I was never a huge fan of the Excaliblast type of NP. Sure it's cool, but it's also kinda lazy from a storytelling perspective, and I could probably think of a million more creative things you could do with Excalibur as a weapon besides "King Arthur Kamehameha".

But I've already done more arguing than I said I would so I'll respect your decision and hope something equally as good comes along ^^

@Turboshitter

I really don’t understand why somebody would want to app a Servant with parameters that are good but not outstanding, largely irrelevant skills, and a Noble Phantasm that’s functionally sealed in all useful sense. If you’re just after the breasts, there are easier ways.

But yeah, my decision stands. I’m happy to work with others on original Servants and the like, but as far as canons go, I will be strict in enforcing their profiles.

[Flamelord]

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I really don’t understand why somebody would want to app a Servant with parameters that are good but not outstanding, largely irrelevant skills, and a Noble Phantasm that’s functionally sealed in all useful sense. If you’re just after the breasts, there are easier ways.

@Unoedipal

I mean, it's as much about their role in the story as it is about their parameters. It's like why we have False Assassin around, when he only has one gimmick and is otherwise basically garbage as a Servant. But that might just be me.

[Turboshitter]

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I really don’t understand why somebody would want to app a Servant with parameters that are good but not outstanding, largely irrelevant skills, and a Noble Phantasm that’s functionally sealed in all useful sense.

@Unoedipal

Soooo... Diarmuid, basically? xD (at least I'm assuming compared to his Saber incarnation we never got to see because Kayneth's a loser)

And I wasn't gonna app her, I was just hoping someone else would. That being said, I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone to app that hasn't already been done, since Grand Order kinda went a little apeshit with all the different Servants (seriously guys, Mata Hari?)

[Moonman]

@Moonman
I'd like some justification for the STR and END parameters, since they're unusually high. Moreso on END, really. I won't veto it, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Raise Riding by a rank since a Rider with C rank Riding isn't really a thing.

Make Leper's Curse rankless (just use a "-" in place of the rank). I applaud you for actually putting in a largely detrimental skill, it's always nice to see that.

You can put his horse in Weapons, since it's similar to Medusa's pegasus in that it isn't a Noble Phantasm, but just a mount.

Regarding the Noble Phantasm, what are the knights? Are they Heroic Spirits, wraiths, or what?

@Unoedipal

- Baldwin's exceptional Strength and Endurance are (aside from compensating for his intentionally dreadful other parameters) meant to represent his portrayal in history to an extent. Before the leprosy kicked in, Baldwin was noted to be physically able far beyond his years, and in excellent health (hah).

Even when he was 16 (by which point he was partially paralyzed), he was still able to fight proficiently, a feat that was and still is regarded as superhuman. For Endurance in particular, it's mostly due to his convictions (it worked for Spartacus, right?) and the leprosy deadening his nerves and toughening his skin.

-Noted and done. Refluffed the description for his Riding skill a bit.

-Ditto.

-Ditto.

-Wraiths, I suppose. Rather than fully recreating the army present at Montgisard, it recreates an event that occurred during it. They can't act or fight independently beyond what is described. Basically, think less Ionioi Hetairoi and more angry Catholic tidal wave.

[Unoedipal]

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I mean, it's as much about their role in the story as it is about their parameters. It's like why we have False Assassin around, when he only has one gimmick and is otherwise basically garbage as a Servant. But that might just be me.

@Flamelord

If you like the character, sure, but I'm the kind to prefer original Servants, so I don't consider that as much in canon applications.

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Soooo... Diarmuid, basically? xD (at least I'm assuming compared to his Saber incarnation we never got to see because Kayneth's a loser)

And I wasn't gonna app her, I was just hoping someone else would. That being said, I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone to app that hasn't already been done, since Grand Order kinda went a little apeshit with all the different Servants (seriously guys, Mata Hari?)

@Turboshitter

Alrighty. If you need help, let me know. There might be a lot of canons now, but there's no shortage of mythological/historical figures with great compatibility to being Heroic Spirits.

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@Moonman
I'll allow STR to stay as-is, but remove the + from END.

Alright, if they're wraiths then it's fine. If they were Heroic Spirits then we'd have had an issue. You can either keep it as it is, or lower the rank to B. B would be more honest and is what I'd recommend, but I won't force you to downgrade it if you want to keep it as A.

[Turboshitter]

Okay, I have some ideas. Which spots haven't been claimed?

[Unoedipal]

Only Lancer currently has an approved app.

[Turboshitter]

Sweet. I'd like to claim Rider then. I can probably have something up by tonight.

[Unoedipal]

Sweet. I'd like to claim Rider then. I can probably have something up by tonight.

@Turboshitter

Well, like I said on the last page, things are on a rolling basis so there's not really slot claiming. Moonman's Rider app, while not approved, is nearly done, so you can get the Rider slot but it'll require getting approved before him. KoL's also been working on a Caster, which has not yet been approved.

[KoL]