[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[IncredibleBee]

Also also, it says right in the ban-list that the ban on Eastern heroes has been lifted.

It's also not "obvious" to me why the Koha-Ace servants are banned, let alone someone with no existing stats or skills in the first place. Doubly so if I didn't base this app on the non-canon background character we know nothing about.

[Zobozun]

Same reason you can't app someone like Caesar, because there's a canon incarnation.

@Unoedipal

But what about these two?
This has been bothering me for a while now.

[Unoedipal]

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But what about these two?
This has been bothering me for a while now.

@Zobozun

Please carefully reread the banlist.

I'm honestly getting a little frustrated when I have to restate the same thing.

[IncredibleBee]

We still have some basis for that clash. There's a semi-canon incarnation of Musashi with information that's questionable at best. Same reason you can't app someone like Caesar, because there's a canon incarnation.

Besides that, I don't think you'd like the edits that would need to be made, given, the fact that one skill's basically a weaker Knight of Honor which has no business being a skill, another is very vague and feels like a metagame justification more related to a fanfiction plot than an RP, the combat stats are so much better than Not!Kojiro's that it's not even funny, and the weapon is referred to as an "NP".

Since he's not a proper feature in Koha-Ace, I'll allow it, but you'll still need some heavy changes.

@Unoedipal

You're going to have to be more specific on those changes. Also I'm keeping Book of Water. I wouldn't be doing Musashi justice if I didn't have this skill.

[Unoedipal]

Also also, it says right in the ban-list that the ban on Eastern heroes has been lifted.

It's also not "obvious" to me why the Koha-Ace servants are banned, let alone someone with no existing stats or skills in the first place. Doubly so if I didn't base this app on the non-canon background character we know nothing about.

@IncredibleBee

Koha-Ace is a joke so taking things from it seriously is bad.

Check the last post on the previous page.

[Zobozun]

Servants that are functionally just clones of canon Servants: Originality.

@Unoedipal

Okay.

[Lonewolf685]

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By the way, everyone, according to KOHA-ACE, the cult's identity is a very interesting one.

@KoL

My god, I knew Ahnererbe was a front for Nazi occultists! It makes frightening sense that they would hide behind the sheer audacity of their own name...or be amusing if the Thule society was using the name.

[Unoedipal]

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Okay.

@Zobozun

Yes. You can app Iskander, but if you app an Iskander clone then that's dumb.

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You're going to have to be more specific on those changes. Also I'm keeping Book of Water. I wouldn't be doing Musashi justice if I didn't have this skill.

@IncredibleBee

I don't know if "Book of Water" is referring to "Book of Five Rings" or "Like Water".

If it's the former, you can keep it so long as it's properly codified. If the latter, you'll have to remove it or change it heavily if you want to be approved.

Parameters need heavy nerfing. I'm talking C for STR/END at best, based on not!Kojiro. The weapons section shouldn't call his weapons NPs when they're not.

[KoL]

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But what about these two?
This has been bothering me for a while now.

@Zobozun

Uno's explanation is lacking a bit of clarification from his own words. It's meant to bar the entry of canon Servants with incomplete stats/unknown features. The very same reason why I gave up on Boudica and ran with El Cid, because damn GO hadn't snatched him yet.

That said, non canon variants of a canon servant would be accepted, right? I mean things like Archer Heracles, or Saber Diarmuid would have they been game, 'cause I feel it's a fair point (not that it masters now, but maybe in a future installment of this RP the question may rise, knowing the answer now would be interesting nonetheless).

[Unoedipal]

hat said, non canon variants of a canon servant would be accepted, right? I mean things like Archer Heracles, or Saber Diarmuid would have they been game, 'cause I feel it's a fair point

@KoL

Archer Herc is fine since we know what stuff he'd have approximately.

Saber Diarmuid wouldn't because he's probably in Grand Order based on the new America video.

[IncredibleBee]

And on the other skill, Book of Five Rings is a skill that lets him hold his own against NPs provided he has prep time.
It ties into his real-life historical habit of exploiting weaknesses in enemy techniques and weapons, and also he wrote a book of how if he caught you doing this he'd kick your ass.

His combat stats being higher than Kojiro's makes sense because, historically, he beat Kojiro in two hits with a stick.
The high strength especially makes sense. Katanas are heavy swords, and Musashi used his one-handed to develop his dual-wielding style. Moreover, he's historically described as being physically very large. I recall his height being listed as something like six feet, which was tall for a Westerner, let alone a Japanese.

[Zobozun]

So to clarify, playing a character that's literally a carbon copy of a servant is allowed, but playing a character that is figuratively a carbon copy is not?

[IncredibleBee]

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Yes. You can app Iskander, but if you app an Iskander clone then that's dumb.

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I don't know if "Book of Water" is referring to "Book of Five Rings" or "Like Water".

If it's the former, you can keep it so long as it's properly codified. If the latter, you'll have to remove it or change it heavily if you want to be approved.

Parameters need heavy nerfing. I'm talking C for STR/END at best, based on not!Kojiro. The weapons section shouldn't call his weapons NPs when they're not.

@Unoedipal

Actually it refers to "Like Water". I don't get why it wouldn't be allowed, since it's essentially a weaker version of Knight of Honor, with a title that suits Musashi.

[Unoedipal]

So to clarify, playing a character that's literally a carbon copy of a servant is allowed, but playing a character that is figuratively a carbon copy is not?

@Zobozun

Playing the canon character itself is fine. Copying a canon character's theme and turning it into your special OC isn't.

And on the other skill, Book of Five Rings is a skill that lets him hold his own against NPs provided he has prep time.
It ties into his real-life historical habit of exploiting weaknesses in enemy techniques and weapons, and also he wrote a book of how if he caught you doing this he'd kick your ass.

His combat stats being higher than Kojiro's makes sense because, historically, he beat Kojiro in two hits with a stick.
The high strength especially makes sense. Katanas are heavy swords, and Musashi used his one-handed to develop his dual-wielding style. Moreover, he's historically described as being physically very large. I recall his height being listed as something like six feet, which was tall for a Westerner, let alone a Japanese.

@IncredibleBee

I want an actual codification. What do you mean "hold his own"? If I give him prep time can he dodge Gae Bolg or smash through Kavacha and Kundala? What does it mean?

Do you know how many Servants outside of Grand Order have A rank STR at base, at base meaning "not counting things like Mad Enhancement"? The answer is one, and she has a dragon roughly the size of the Fuyuki Park inside of her.

[Unoedipal]

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Actually it refers to "Like Water". I don't get why it wouldn't be allowed, since it's essentially a weaker version of Knight of Honor, with a title that suits Musashi.

@IncredibleBee

Because it's a Personal Skill. If it was an NP it'd be fine.

[Lonewolf685]

So to clarify, playing a character that's literally a carbon copy of a servant is allowed, but playing a character that is figuratively a carbon copy is not?

@Zobozun

not to be mean, but your Master is a carbon copy of Rasputin himself.

[Moonman]

If I may offer my thoughts on the matter.

Dracula has been depicted differently in certain materials even when summoned as the same class (see: Extra Drac as opposed to Apocrypha Drac), so variants of Servants seem to be within the realm of possibility.

[Unoedipal]

If I may offer my thoughts on the matter.

Dracula has been depicted differently in certain materials even when summoned as the same class (see: Extra Drac as opposed to Apocrypha Drac), so variants of Servants seem to be within the realm of possibility.

@Moonman

That's because Romania summon vs non-Romania summon. Vlad's explicitly stated to be special like that.

[kusanagifire]

I'm having some probs with things right now, but I'll try to get up a post by tonight if I can.

[Moonman]

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That's because Romania summon vs non-Romania summon. Vlad's explicitly stated to be special like that.

@Unoedipal

I also dimly recall Jack the Ripper and Alexander having variants.