[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[Unoedipal]

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I also dimly recall Jack the Ripper and Alexander having variants.

@Moonman

Jack's based on class. The deal with Alex is ??? because Grand Order, so it's one of those "wait for GO mats" things like the rest of the bunch.

[IncredibleBee]

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Playing the canon character itself is fine. Copying a canon character's theme and turning it into your special OC isn't.

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I want an actual codification. What do you mean "hold his own"? If I give him prep time can he dodge Gae Bolg or smash through Kavacha and Kundala? What does it mean?

Do you know how many Servants outside of Grand Order have A rank STR at base, at base meaning "not counting things like Mad Enhancement"? The answer is one, and she has a dragon roughly the size of the Fuyuki Park inside of her.

@Unoedipal

"Hold his own" is a bit flexible. Coincidentally, Musashi liked flexibility. What it does varies depending on the skill in question.
The skill does not allow him to just brute force his way through things, because why would use use a rough sword that's a horrible idea. It does mean that after gaining info on a technique or better yet, observing its use, he can determine gaps and weaknesses in its use. By figuring out a work-around, he can force the opponent into where he personally shines: direct combat.
Admittedly, this does rely on my own ability to find gaps and weaknesses in a NP.

And I guess I'll tone STR and END down by a point each. Whatever.

[Lonewolf685]

Never mind

[Moonman]

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Because the Strange Fake Jack the Ripper was summoned with a toy knife. Made a fake Servant that didn't have a proper form, but thought it was Jack

@Lonewolf685

So from what I understand, a hokey half-assed summoning can create a hokey half-assed version of a Servant, that is still tangentially connected to the original.

Given how Musashi is apparently going to be summoned with a hokey half-assed ritual, it should sorta fit the bill, eh?

[Unoedipal]

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"Hold his own" is a bit flexible. Coincidentally, Musashi liked flexibility. What it does varies depending on the skill in question.
The skill does not allow him to just brute force his way through things, because why would use use a rough sword that's a horrible idea. It does mean that after gaining info on a technique or better yet, observing its use, he can determine gaps and weaknesses in its use. By figuring out a work-around, he can force the opponent into where he personally shines: direct combat.
Admittedly, this does rely on my own ability to find gaps and weaknesses in a NP.

And I guess I'll tone STR and END down by a point each. Whatever.

@IncredibleBee

Instead of pontificating around it, give me codifications. Let's use the example of Gae Bolg, Anti-Unit heartstab. What would he need to do to figure out how to "counter" it and what would said counter consist of?

Both of them to C.

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So what I'm getting from this is that a hokey half-assed summoning can create a hokey half-assed version of a Servant, that is still tangentially connected to the original.

Given how Musashi is apparently going to be summoned with a hokey half-assed ritual, I'd like to it would fit the bill to a certain extent.

@Moonman

See my post. Either way it's irrelevant since I said Musashi was fine.

[Zobozun]

The counter to gaebolg is bad writing that makes it hit your shoulder.

[KoL]

Most NPs screw logic so hard that there's even no point in trying to find gaps on them. One of the free NP that I've ever seen that had an exploitable gap is Tsubame Gaeshi and serious gap is mostly Not!Kojiroh screwing himself.

Truth be told Musashi probably wouldn't even have won of he had fought Not!Kojiroh ok a beach unless he had Instinct as high as Arthuria there's no conceivable easy to avoid Tsubame Gaeshi while on even ground, that said, obviously he fought the man named Kojiroh, but not the man who could do the Tsubame Gaeshi or the man who wielded the Monohoroshizao.

Anyway, that skill is mostly useless, since little to no NPs can be exploited.

[IncredibleBee]

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Instead of pontificating around it, give me codifications. Let's use the example of Gae Bolg, Anti-Unit heartstab. What would he need to do to figure out how to "counter" it and what would said counter consist of?

Both of them to C.

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See my post. Either way it's irrelevant since I said Musashi was fine.

@Unoedipal

Beyond simply having a high luck stat?
Look, if Book of Five Rings is going to cause such a fuss, I'll take it out.

And I will take B ranked STR and C ranked END. It's about the normal parameters for a Saber in the first place, and as I said before, Musashi was known for his physical prowess; he devoted his life to martial arts.

[Moonman]

@Unoedipal

Ah, I must have missed that. Carry on then.

[IncredibleBee]

Oh and on top of that we're in Musashi's cultural sphere, so that'd give his parameters a boost as well.

[Unoedipal]

And I will take B ranked STR and C ranked END. It's about the normal parameters for a Saber in the first place, and as I said before, Musashi was known for his physical prowess; he devoted his life to martial arts.

@IncredibleBee

I'm going to level with you, since this is grating on my nerves.

If you can't accept what I'm telling you, then you really should stop this.

I went against my better judgment and decided to be nice just in allowing you to join. I won't feel bad if I take that away when you're outright acting like this.

[IncredibleBee]

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I'm going to level with you, since this is grating on my nerves.

If you can't accept what I'm telling you, then you really should stop this.

I went against my better judgment and decided to be nice just in allowing you to join. I won't feel bad if I take that away when you're outright acting like this.

@Unoedipal

Fine, they can both be C. Geez.

[ADamnFiddle]

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Fine, they can both be C. Geez.

@IncredibleBee

same tbh xDDDDDDDDDDD

[IncredibleBee]

Okay edited version is a go

Name: Miyamoto Musashi

Class: Saber

Gender: Male

Appearance:

Musashi

Wears a plain, dark colored kimono.

Alignment: Neutral

Personality: A man equal parts stern and zen, Musashi's number one goal in life is the status of Japan's greatest swordsman. As he has long since achieved that goal, however, he is no longer a hotblooded young man. Cool and calculating, he has a wit sharper than his sword and is not unwilling to manipulate the enemy. In combat, he's ferocious and clever, and his swords resemble the fangs of a tiger and the claws of a dragon.
His hobbies are painting and woodworking. He has an aversion to baths.

History: Musashi was a famous ronin from 17th century Japan, notorious for being an expert duelist, winning numerous fights throughout his life through a combination of wit and skill. Most famously, he fought and killed Sasaki Kojiro when he was about twenty-nine or thirty. Besides this, Musashi was known for his skills as an artist, philosopher, and writer. He was said to have a rough appearance and mannerisms, despite his skill.
For more information, go to your local library. Or here.

Weapon: Musashi personal weapon consists of a daisho, a matching set of samurai swords consisting of the longer katana and the shorter wakizashi. These utilize the iconic twin ring tsuba he's associated with.

Parameters:

Strength: C

Endurance: c

Agility: A

Mana: E

Luck: C

Class Skills:
Riding: E
Concerns the usage of mounts and vehicles. As Musashi was no cavalryman in life, this is more of a courtesy skill. He has a functional grasp of most vehicles and animals, enough to drive normally.

Magic Resistance: C-
Allows Musashi a basic defense against simpler spells. Due to his being summoned under a false grail, it's weaker than it would be were he a normal Saber.

Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A
Despite his countless duels and battles, Musashi mastered many forms of art aside from swordfighting. His powers of observation and analysis have been honed through a lifetime of experience devoted to understanding the Way.

Noble Phantasm(s):
Book of Water: Rank B Anti-Unit (Passive)
Musashi was known for winning even wit a wooden sword. Any sword or sword-like weapon used by Musashi is laced with prana, becoming a NP type weapon capable of damaging other Servants.
To clarify, in addition to becoming a viable weapon against Servants, the weapon itself becomes a "ranked up version of itself". If a pool cue and a baseball bat were both affected by this ability, the pool cue would break in fewer hits than the bat. However, both could exchange blows with a Servant. Additionally, weapons utilized by this skill do not become truly unbreakable nor do they possess special properties such as blade beams. They have limited durability and can still only be used as melee weapon.

[Unoedipal]

Why does he have a Noble Phantasm when the whole point of the "shittier container" thing was "doesn't have a Noble Phantasm"?

[IncredibleBee]

Why does he have a Noble Phantasm when the whole point of the "shittier container" thing was "doesn't have a Noble Phantasm"?

@Unoedipal

Because you said that Personal Skill needs to be a NP.

If you'd prefer, I can swap it back to Personal Skills.

[Unoedipal]

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Because you said that Personal Skill needs to be a NP.

@IncredibleBee

I said it would need to be an NP because it doesn't work as a Personal Skill.

That doesn't mean it's okay to have an NP all of a sudden.

[IncredibleBee]

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I said it would need to be an NP because it doesn't work as a Personal Skill.

That doesn't mean it's okay to have an NP all of a sudden.

@Unoedipal

Why does it not work as a personal skill? It's not like it's a legendary weapon or a blade beam.

[Unoedipal]

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Why does it not work as a personal skill? It's not like it's a legendary weapon or a blade beam.

@IncredibleBee

Because it's the crystallization of his legend as someone who used improvised weapons, and we have an A++ Noble Phantasm in canon that does something of an incredibly comparable nature.

NPs aren't just magic items, they're crystallizations of feat.

[IncredibleBee]

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Because it's the crystallization of his legend as someone who used improvised weapons, and we have an A++ Noble Phantasm in canon that does something of an incredibly comparable nature.

NPs aren't just magic items, they're crystallizations of feat.

@Unoedipal

Yeah, but Musashi's is also much more situational. He can only use swords and sword-like items, like bokken and baseball bats.