[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[ADamnFiddle]

<Snipped quote by Unoedipal>

Why does it not work as a personal skill? It's not like it's a legendary weapon or a blade beam.

@IncredibleBee

What is God Hand?
What is No Second Strike?

[Unoedipal]

<Snipped quote by Unoedipal>

Yeah, but Musashi's is also much more situational. He can only use swords and sword-like items, like bokken and baseball bats.

@IncredibleBee

And Lancy can only use things he can conceptualize as weapons.

[IncredibleBee]

<Snipped quote by IncredibleBee>

And Lancy can only use things he can conceptualize as weapons.

@Unoedipal

Yeah, but I'm saying Lancelot's ability is definitely higher ranked than what I'm using. Are you concerned that I'm going to abuse it somehow? Because I feel like it would be difficult to abuse outside of a breath of fresh air. Bokken instead of katana, for example. Like I said, it wouldn't be Musashi if he couldn't use bokken.

[Unoedipal]

<Snipped quote by Unoedipal>

Yeah, but I'm saying Lancelot's ability is definitely higher ranked than what I'm using. Are you concerned that I'm going to abuse it somehow? Because I feel like it would be difficult to abuse outside of a breath of fresh air. Bokken instead of katana, for example. Like I said, it wouldn't be Musashi if he couldn't use bokken.

@IncredibleBee

I don't have a problem with the power, the problem's just that it should be an NP and the condition you have is "no NPs".

I mean, I can allow an NP, but in that case everything else will take a heavy hit as a consequence. The container needs to be noticeably worse than the real deal either way.

[Sodium]

<Snipped quote by IncredibleBee>

And Lancy can only use things he can conceptualize as weapons.

@Unoedipal

That covers pretty much anything one can hold sans complicated weapons that weren't present in his time period (railguns, probably guns in general, etc) - and even then, they can become bludgeons anyway.

Looking at Musashi's sheet, he has one big thing, and that's swords. All this ability does is allow him to improvise "swords" from "sword-like objects" and make them useful against Heroic Spirits. I think Bee's terminology is what's getting everything mucked up here, as it doesn't create a Noble Phantasm weapon, but something that can be used to fence against one using a Noble Phantasm weapon. In other words, it allows Musashi to swordfight with King Arthur.

[IncredibleBee]

You know what I'd rather take the NP loss than another stat drop.

One Personal skill, no NPs.
I just became the underdog of underdogs.

[IncredibleBee]

<Snipped quote by Unoedipal>

That covers pretty much anything one can hold sans complicated weapons that weren't present in his time period (railguns, probably guns in general, etc) - and even then, they can become bludgeons anyway.

Looking at Musashi's sheet, he has one big thing, and that's swords. All this ability does is allow him to improvise "swords" from "sword-like objects" and make them useful against Heroic Spirits. I think Bee's terminology is what's getting everything mucked up here, as it doesn't create a Noble Phantasm weapon, but something that can be used to fence against one using a Noble Phantasm weapon. In other words, it allows Musashi to swordfight with King Arthur.

@Sodium

This sums it up pretty well.

[ADamnFiddle]

[KoL]

@Unoedipal

Am I allowed to say that Musashi' AGI is outrageously high? Come on, he's as fast as Not!Kojiroh (if I'm not wrong) which is supposed to be rather hard to match.

Also, @IncredibleBee, you at imagining one thing wrong. The problem with sword fighting King Arthur is that Prana Burst, out means that things that touch Arthuria literally go poof. I mean, it required a godly swordsman that far surpassed her skill and was so fan good that he made the world give up and grant him a shared of the 2nd Magic and an abnormally week made sword that could cut through steel to even that handicap, this at least most mean something.

EDIT:

Damn swipe keyboard screwing my post. I hate it, but simply can't give up.

[Unoedipal]

@Unoedipal

Am I allowed to say that Musashi' AGI is outrageously high? Come on, he's as fast as Not!Kojiroh (if I'm not wrong) which is supposed to be rather hard to match.

@KoL

I'm honestly fine with A rank. Not!Kojiro had A+, so the rank's the same, which is fine.

[KoL]

<Snipped quote by KoL>

I'm honestly fine with A rank. Not!Kojiro had A+, so the rank's the same, which is fine.

@Unoedipal

Oh, I knew I was forgetting something, but I'm at my phone now, so...

[Sodium]

@Unoedipal

Am I allowed to say that Musashi' AGI is outrageously high? Come on, he's as fast as Not!Kojiroh (if I'm not wrong) which is supposed to be rather hard to match.

Also, @IncredibleBee, you at imagining one thing wrong. The problem with sword fighting King Arthur is that Prana Burst, out means that things that touch Arthuria literally go poof. I mean, it required a godly swordsman that far surpassed her skill and was so fan good that he made the world give up and grant him a shared of the 2nd Magic and an abnormally week made sword that could cut through steel to even that handicap, this at least most mean something.

EDIT:

Damn swipe keyboard screwing my post. I hate it, but simply can't give up.

@KoL

You're completely missing the point.

Prana Burst is a completely separate skill from Excalibur (the sword). King Arthur was used as my example because he has a famous Noble Phantasm sword. On top of that, that isn't how Prana Burst works, so your point's moot.

[IncredibleBee]

@Unoedipal

Am I allowed to say that Musashi' AGI is outrageously high? Come on, he's as fast as Not!Kojiroh (if I'm not wrong) which is supposed to be rather hard to match.

Also, @IncredibleBee, you at imagining one thing wrong. The problem with sword fighting King Arthur is that Prana Burst, out means that things that touch Arthuria literally go poof. I mean, it required a godly swordsman that far surpassed her skill and was so fan good that he made the world give up and grant him a shared of the 2nd Magic and an abnormally week made sword that could cut through steel to even that handicap, this at least most mean something.

EDIT:

Damn swipe keyboard screwing my post. I hate it, but simply can't give up.

@KoL

You're forgetting two things. First of all, Kojiro was a real life person, and Musashi killed him with an oar.

Secondly, let's say we go by Fate's weird rules. The fabricated Kojiro conformed to the legend of Kojiro. In other words, Musashi would be stronger. Or rather, Kojiro would be fabricated to be weaker than a servant Musashi.

[Turboshitter]

Can we please just stop?

[Unoedipal]

<Snipped quote by KoL>

You're forgetting two things. First of all, Kojiro was a real life person, and Musashi killed him with an oar.

Secondly, let's say we go by Fate's weird rules. The fabricated Kojiro conformed to the legend of Kojiro. In other words, Musashi would be stronger. Or rather, Kojiro would be fabricated to be weaker than a servant Musashi.

@IncredibleBee

But Musashi cheated instead of 1v1ing him properly.

[IncredibleBee]

<Snipped quote by IncredibleBee>

But Musashi cheated instead of 1v1ing him properly.

@Unoedipal

Using a wooden sword is cheating?

[Unoedipal]

<Snipped quote by Unoedipal>

Using a wooden sword is cheating?

@IncredibleBee

Taunting, acting dishonorably according to custom, sun fuckery, exploiting prior knowledge to prevent the technique he knew about from happening, etc.

I'm not saying he didn't win, but he didn't win because he had better stats.

[Sodium]

That also doesn't say that he had worse stats. Can we stop comparing stats now?

[Unoedipal]

That also doesn't say that he had worse stats. Can we stop comparing stats now?

@Sodium

When did I say he had worse? I'm just saying they should be comparable.

[kusanagifire]

I'll have something up by tonight I believe. A bit less happening now.