[OOC] Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

[Lonewolf685]

Jesus Christ on a Pikestaff, must there really be such a lengthy discourse over a Servant who is barely even allowed in the RP in the first place? I'm terrified to contemplate what issue will be found with the Master if this ever gets settled in a manner all can accept, which I find the prospect of to be dubious at best!

[Sodium]

Not!Kojiro was summoned as Assassin, which is the physically weakest class. From my understanding, the Heroic Spirit provides a basis for the stats, then the class provides modifiers of some sort, most notable of which would be Berserker.

However, you're right in saying that you never said Musashi's stats should be worse. I'm just tired of the sour grapes over stats.

On that note, here's my sheet.

Billy Jameson

Name/Title: High Reverend Billy Jameson

Gender: Male

Age: 37

Personality: A red-blooded American man with a love of God and guns. He is charismatic and full of infectious passion when standing behind a podium. He is a born leader, inspiring others with both his words and actions. He wants nothing more than to see his father's dream come to fruition, though he'd also like to build a family of his own someday.

Appearance: i.imgur.com/TTWsDwf.jpg

Cult History: Jimmy Jameson, an all-American priest of the Church, was a pious, charismatic man merely working to spread the grace of God. That changed when he was invited to join the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament. He believed that through the Assembly the Church was attempting to steal away God's light from the world. After receiving his first mission, he cut all ties with the Church and began gathering an uprising in the American wilds.

The uprising took form as the Church of the Lord's Light. Americans became radicalized by Jimmy's charismatic sermons (and maybe more than a little magecraft to help things along), and soon a cult following formed at the heart of the Church of the Lord's Light. This cult sought to interfere with the tasks carried out by the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament in any way possible, tapping into magecraft and torturing any Assembly members captured for information (though normally coming up with only weak leads).

The growth of the cult within the Church of the Lord's Light was halted entirely when the Church delivered a devastating blow: A Templar assassin killed Jimmy Jameson, leaving the Church of the Lord's Light leaderless. However, it was not long before the Church of the Lord's Light instated Jimmy Jameson's son Billy as their High Reverend, allowing business to continue as normal. The Church of the Lord's Light noted a greatly slowed rate of growth, though whether that is due to Billy's lesser skills or due to the Church's efforts has never been confirmed.

One year before the Holy Grail War, the cult finally caught a big lead from a torture subject: an event that the Church played a large role in would occur in the next year in a distant land. The cult pried more and more into the matter, pulling every contact and torturing all they could to prepare for the event. The Church saw an opportunity to cut the cult once and for all and fed it false information, outlining a ritual requiring mass suicide and hinting that champions were heading to Fuyuki to gain a chance for a wish. The already radicalized cult made the decision obvious to their irrational minds: declare a champion, then devise and perform the ritual.

It was only natural that the cult would declare their High Reverend, Billy Jameson, as their champion, much to the Church's pleasure - the head of the cult would be placing himself in danger, and likely without an actual Servant, as the ritual they'd fed was false. However, the Church didn't expect the cult to manage to devise a proper ritual, much less to create a prana relay allowing devotees to, through "prayers" that were actually mystic chants, send small amounts of prana to a Mystic Code so Billy could maintain his Servant. With the greatly weakened cult behind him, Billy Jameson set off to do his father proud and win this wish thing, whatever it was, to shine God's light upon all people.

Biography: While running the Church of the Lord's Light, Jimmy Jameson raised his son, Billy Jameson, to be his successor, passing on his knowledge, faith, and desire to stop the Church and bring the light of God to all people. On that last part, however, he might not have been completely thorough, as leading an insular life in rural America can leave one with certain preconceptions.

Billy almost literally grew up in a barn, living the first 20 years of his life on a farm and traveling only to act as a publicity tool to recruit to his father's church. His education, when not given by his father, was carried out by members of his father's church. Among them was an underachiever from the Mage's Association, who imparted the very basics of general magecraft (less than an actual class would provide) to the youth.

The rest is history - Cult History, that is. See above.

Origin: Spirit

Elemental Affinity: Ether

Number of Magic Circuits: D

Quality of Magic Circuits: A

Od: C

Magecraft:
Basic Miracles: Billy's basic magical education allows him to use General Magecraft spells except Familiar Creation, Threads of Consciousness, Floating, Transfer of Consciousness, and Mystic Pass.
Radical Miracle: An empowered form of suggestion that infuses the user's words with prana. The less likely a person is to perform a suggestion, the more suggestion is needed. It's impossible to make a person do something they wouldn't, though it is possible to change their ideals over time. The Jameson family's specialty.

Equipment:
The Lord's Link: Amplifier Mystic Code. Provides prana from the Church of the Lord's Light's prayers to ease the burden of Billy's Servant.
The Lord's Love: A flask of liquor.
The Lord's Fire: A .44 Magnum revolver. Ammunition is carried in speed loaders.
The Lord's Fury: A Beretta 92FS. Grip decorated with crosses.
The Lord's Providence: A hunting rifle.
The Lord's Tithe: Funding from the Church of the Lord's Light tithes. Provides funding for an American diet in Japan, plus living expenses and ammunition.
The Lord's Lid: Billy's favorite hat.

Skills: Leadership, grilling, farming, driving machinery, horse riding, gunplay, and everything required to go camping.

[KoL]

@Sodium@IncredibleBee

Just saying that I'm not arguing with neither of you. I was just saying that people tend to exaggerate Musashi's skill with the sword when in truth he was a scoundrel more or less comparable to Han Solo. He was good, that's a fact, but in the end what won good battles was scumbag trickery.

It's hard to deny it when his book on combat strategy is literally just a collection of waits to cheat. Out may be efficient, but morally right... that's a whole other ball. game

[Lonewolf685]

Okay, got to admit James Marston as a crazy preacher with the Magecraft of God's Word is pretty cool.

[Zobozun]

"Anything that isn't powerwank is morally wrong and Miyamoto Musashi was actually a huge loser." - Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis OOC, 2016

[KoL]

"Anything that isn't powerwank is morally wrong and Miyamoto Musashi was actually a huge loser." - Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis OOC, 2016

@Zobozun

NO one's saying that he's a loser, just a dirty winner, there's a big difference.

[Scrapula]

<Snipped quote by Zobozun>

NO one's saying that he's a loser, just a dirty winner, there's a big difference.

@KoL

Saying the historical Musashi is a dirty scoundrel who stole most of his victories is a bit like saying Diogenes of Sinope was a maddened hobo who deluded himself into being a philosopher. You're dead-on accurate on all accounts, but are deliberately ignoring their actual accomplishments in favor of focusing on their nutbar idiocy. The big thing is that, while Musashi was lazy, unhygienic, and comically hypocritical, he was a legitimately good swordsman.

[IncredibleBee]

@Sodium@IncredibleBee

Just saying that I'm not arguing with neither of you. I was just saying that people tend to exaggerate Musashi's skill with the sword when in truth he was a scoundrel more or less comparable to Han Solo. He was good, that's a fact, but in the end what won good battles was scumbag trickery.

It's hard to deny it when his book on combat strategy is literally just a collection of waits to cheat. Out may be efficient, but morally right... that's a whole other ball. game

@KoL

Actually his book on combat strategy is a book on combat strategy, and though it covers primarily swordsmanship, it can be applied to many other Ways. It covers philosophy as much as technique, but also stresses you consider factors like time of day, position, environment, psychological condition, etc. If you pull up most other books on strategy, they'll actually say similar things. I have a copy right next to me if you'd like to hear passages; none of it concerns cheating.

In Kojiro's case he didn't even ambush, it was a head-on duel. Musashi came in via rowboat; Kojiro saw him coming, but Musashi was the better swordsman; he kept cool, whittled an oar, and beat Kojiro to death.

[kusanagifire]

all this drama and im not even invited

[Turboshitter]

>mfw I come back an hour later and we're still fucking talking about this

[KoL]

all this drama and im not even invited

@kusanagifire

You can jump in anytime you want, though I would not advise doing that. I myself am giving on that because of... reasons.

[IncredibleBee]

"There are other schools that have a fondness for extra-long swords. From the point of view of my martial art, I see them as weak schools. This is because they do not appreciate the principle of cutting the enemy by any means. Their preference is for the extra-long sword and, relying on the virtue of its length, they think to defeat the enemy from a distance. It is difficult for these people to cut the enemy when at close quarters because of the length of the longsword. The blade path is large so the long sword is an encumbrance, and they are at a disadvantage compared to the man armed with a short companion sword."
-Miyamoto Musashi

[Unoedipal]

@Sodium
How did Jimmy Jameson learn magecraft?
Why would the torture subject confess to, out of all things, the fact that the Church sent one of their many members to a far East country to supervise some random backwater ritual?
Keep in mind that the Church is huge and obscenely powerful enough that Billy's organization won't be much of an actual blip on their radar.
His Church sending meager amounts of magical energy through a long-range Mystic Code won't be enough to maintain a Servant, there's just not enough energy getting moved; I recommend homunculus batteries as an economical and inhumane alternative.
A second-generation magus whose dad didn't seem to do selective breeding with someone who also had Circuits shouldn't have A rank quality.
Skillset and guns are fine.

I'll review Musashi once @IncredibleBee posts an edited format.

[Sodium]

Magecraft: Church Thaumaturgy. He had learned only that one spell that Billy now has.

Torture: If you'd like I could always change it to have been information given to Jimmy during his time in the Church. I just felt the torture and the Church attempting to make the cult commit suicide fruitlessly was a better "story" overall.

Blip on Radar: Have you seen those American megachurches? Think of those, only an empire stretching across America instead of just one. That's the scale I'm thinking, with the actual "cult" being the overly enthralled believers.

Meager Energy: There is a good reason I went with "ease the burden of" instead of "supply the prana necessary to maintain" in The Lord's Link's description.

Circuits: Honestly, the whole magic section was, to me, a big "look at this shit Billy's never going to use!" buffet. The aim was to have stats that would be utterly useless, and the idea of having super few circuits that work really well was too amusing to pass. I don't mind dropping it (it's a meaningless letter to me), but I'd like your opinion after having heard my reasoning first.

[Unoedipal]

Magecraft: Church Thaumaturgy. He had learned only that one spell that Billy now has.

Torture: If you'd like I could always change it to have been information given to Jimmy during his time in the Church. I just felt the torture and the Church attempting to make the cult commit suicide fruitlessly was a better "story" overall.

Blip on Radar: Have you seen those American megachurches? Think of those, only an empire stretching across America instead of just one. That's the scale I'm thinking, with the actual "cult" being the overly enthralled believers.

Meager Energy: There is a good reason I went with "ease the burden of" instead of "supply the prana necessary to maintain" in The Lord's Link's description.

Circuits: Honestly, the whole magic section was, to me, a big "look at this shit Billy's never going to use!" buffet. The aim was to have stats that would be utterly useless, and the idea of having super few circuits that work really well was too amusing to pass. I don't mind dropping it (it's a meaningless letter to me), but I'd like your opinion after having heard my reasoning first.

@Sodium

Any magecraft not called "Baptismal Sacrament" is heresy and not something the Church would teach.

It's not the biggest deal, but the Fuyuki war is so incredibly irrelevant to literally everyone in the greater world that it doesn't make sense for why it would be viewed as important. If it's just a misunderstood bit of information that the group latched onto and obsessed over, then sure, but in the Church's eyes they don't view it as a big deal.

Oh. I didn't get any semblance of that scale in the profile, but if you edit it to be clearer then it's fine, I suppose.

At the very least, they should be contributing a sizable amount of prana through the contract to maintain the Servant, and should be in the vicinity of Fuyuki. Otherwise there's just too big of a gap there. They don't need to be crippled or comatose or whatever, but it should be a bigger contribution than just a chip.

It's fine thematically, but doesn't work as well mechanically, so in that interest I will have to ask that you lower it to B at the highest; I'd prefer C, honestly.

[Sodium]

@Unoedipal
Changes made: Jimmy was an orphan adopted by a conman who used magecraft to enhance his cons, then was saved by the Church. Megachurches specified. Wording of the cult learning of the Grail War modified to make it obvious the lead was big only to the cult. The Church of the Lord's Light is now operating a cruise line to ferry large numbers of believers into range of Fuyuki for prana assistance. Stat changed to "B-" to continue not taking stats seriously.

Updated sheet:

Billy Jameson v0.2

Name/Title: High Reverend Billy Jameson

Gender: Male

Age: 37

Personality: A red-blooded American man with a love of God and guns. He is charismatic and full of infectious passion when standing behind a podium. He is a born leader, inspiring others with both his words and actions. He wants nothing more than to see his father's dream come to fruition, though he'd also like to build a family of his own someday.

Appearance: i.imgur.com/TTWsDwf.jpg

Cult History: Jimmy Jameson, an all-American priest of the Church, was a pious, charismatic man. Once an orphan taken in by a mage conman, the Church saved him, raising him to spread the grace of God. That changed when he was invited to join the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament. He believed that through the Assembly the Church was attempting to steal away God's light from the world. After receiving his first mission, he cut all ties with the Church and began gathering an uprising in the American wilds.

The uprising took form as the Church of the Lord's Light. Americans became radicalized by Jimmy's charismatic sermons (and maybe more than a little magecraft learned from his adoptive father to help things along), and soon an empire of megachurches sprung up across America, with a cult of extremists at its heart. This cult sought to interfere with the tasks carried out by the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament in any way possible, tapping into magecraft and torturing any Assembly members captured for information (though normally coming up with only weak leads).

The growth of the Church of the Lord's Light was halted entirely when the Church delivered a devastating blow: A Templar assassin killed Jimmy Jameson, leaving the Church of the Lord's Light leaderless. However, it was not long before the Church of the Lord's Light instated Jimmy Jameson's son Billy as their High Reverend, allowing business to continue as normal. The Church of the Lord's Light noted a greatly slowed rate of growth, though whether that is due to Billy's lesser skills or due to the Church's efforts has never been confirmed.

One year before the Holy Grail War, the cult caught what they believed to be a big lead from a torture subject: an event that the Church played a large role in would occur in the next year in a distant land. The cult pried more and more into the matter, pulling every contact and torturing all they could to prepare for the event. The Church saw an opportunity to cut the cult once and for all through the minor event and fed it false information, outlining a ritual requiring mass suicide and hinting that champions were heading to Fuyuki to gain a chance for a wish. The already radicalized cult made the decision obvious to their irrational minds: declare a champion, then devise and perform the ritual.

It was only natural that the cult would declare their High Reverend, Billy Jameson, as their champion, much to the Church's pleasure - the head of the cult would be placing himself in danger, and likely without an actual Servant, as the ritual they'd fed was false. However, the Church didn't expect the cult to manage to devise a proper ritual, much less to create a chant that allowed devotees to send small amounts of prana to a Mystic Code so Billy could maintain his Servant. Three months before the Holy Grail War, one of the companies heavily affiliated with the Church of the Lord's Light purchased a cruiseline company that was financially unstable and began running cruises that stopped near Fuyuki, allowing the devotees to be near enough to make a difference.

With the greatly weakened cult behind him, Billy Jameson set off to do his father proud and win this wish thing, whatever it was, to shine God's light upon all people.

Biography: While running the Church of the Lord's Light, Jimmy Jameson raised his son, Billy Jameson, to be his successor, passing on his knowledge, faith, and desire to stop the Church and bring the light of God to all people. On that last part, however, he might not have been completely thorough, as leading an insular life in rural America can leave one with certain preconceptions.

Billy almost literally grew up in a barn, living the first 20 years of his life on a farm and traveling only to act as a publicity tool to recruit to his father's church. His education, when not given by his father, was carried out by members of his father's church. Among them was an underachiever from the Mage's Association, who imparted the very basics of general magecraft (less than an actual class would provide) to the youth.

The rest is history - Cult History, that is. See above.

Origin: Spirit

Elemental Affinity: Ether

Number of Magic Circuits: D

Quality of Magic Circuits: B-

Od: C

Magecraft:
Basic Miracles: Billy's basic magical education allows him to use General Magecraft spells except Familiar Creation, Threads of Consciousness, Floating, Transfer of Consciousness, and Mystic Pass.
Radical Miracle: An empowered form of suggestion that infuses the user's words with prana. The less likely a person is to perform a suggestion, the more suggestion is needed. It's impossible to make a person do something they wouldn't, though it is possible to change their ideals over time. The Jameson family's specialty.

Equipment:
The Lord's Link: Amplifier Mystic Code. Provides prana from the Church of the Lord's Light's prayers to ease the burden of Billy's Servant.
The Lord's Love: A flask of liquor.
The Lord's Fire: A .44 Magnum revolver. Ammunition is carried in speed loaders.
The Lord's Fury: A Beretta 92FS. Grip decorated with crosses.
The Lord's Providence: A hunting rifle.
The Lord's Tithe: Funding from the Church of the Lord's Light tithes. Provides funding for an American diet in Japan, plus living expenses and ammunition.
The Lord's Lid: Billy's favorite hat.

Skills: Leadership, grilling, farming, driving machinery, horse riding, gunplay, and everything required to go camping.

[IncredibleBee]

Name: Miyamoto Musashi

Class: Saber

Gender: Male

Appearance:

Musashi

Wears a plain, dark colored kimono.

Alignment: Neutral

Personality: A man equal parts stern and zen, Musashi's number one goal in life is the status of Japan's greatest swordsman. As he has long since achieved that goal, however, he is no longer a hotblooded young man. Cool and calculating, he has a wit sharper than his sword and is not unwilling to manipulate the enemy. In combat, he's ferocious and clever, and his swords resemble the fangs of a tiger and the claws of a dragon.
His hobbies are painting and woodworking. He has an aversion to baths.

History: Musashi was a famous ronin from 17th century Japan, notorious for being an expert duelist, winning numerous fights throughout his life through a combination of wit and skill. Most famously, he fought and killed Sasaki Kojiro when he was about twenty-nine or thirty. Besides this, Musashi was known for his skills as an artist, philosopher, and writer. He was said to have a rough appearance and mannerisms, despite his skill.
For more information, go to your local library. Or here.

Weapon: Musashi personal weapon consists of a daisho, a matching set of samurai swords consisting of the longer katana and the shorter wakizashi. These utilize the iconic twin ring tsuba he's associated with.

Parameters:

Strength: C

Endurance: c

Agility: A

Mana: E

Luck: C

Class Skills:
Riding: E
Concerns the usage of mounts and vehicles. As Musashi was no cavalryman in life, this is more of a courtesy skill. He has a functional grasp of most vehicles and animals, enough to drive normally.

Magic Resistance: C-
Allows Musashi a basic defense against simpler spells. Due to his being summoned under a false grail, it's weaker than it would be were he a normal Saber.

Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A
Despite his countless duels and battles, Musashi mastered many forms of art aside from swordfighting. His powers of observation and analysis have been honed through a lifetime of experience devoted to understanding the Way.

Noble Phantasm(s): n/a

[Unoedipal]

@Sodium Modifiers on Circuits are weird. The only example we've seen is Touko, but she's equally weird because of her Butterfly Wings so it's reasonable. Basically just remove the minus and settle on either B or C for the Circuits. Alice is Y U M I N A so I don't count her.

@IncredibleBee What does C- Magic Resistance do? As in, what Count/rank of spells does it resist? Is it C rank MR but only in specific situations? If so, what are the situations? Minuses are annoying so you'd honestly be better off just making it C; I'll allow it instead of D since there's only one Personal Skill.

[IncredibleBee]

From the wiki

"Cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against Magecraft on the level of High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals."

[Unoedipal]

From the wiki

"Cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against Magecraft on the level of High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals."

@IncredibleBee

That's C, yes, I'm asking about C-.

Also please never cite the wiki, it's wrong a lot of the time.