Cyndyr

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Then maybe we should give the staff room to explain why they do not view it as a double-standard?

@Inkarnate

They're free to do so. I'm quite happy that Hank, Kangaroo, Rilla, Ruby, and Nutts have all popped in to offer their input as it is. I never had intended for this to be anything other than a discussion nor do I want them to feel attacked in any manner. If they want to explain and/or discuss anything that has been mentioned here, then I want them to feel welcomed to do so.

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Because right now this feels like a giant "he said, she said" thread, time and time again. Everyone posting screencaps with a gotcha mentality. Why the hell was there a need to make this thread in the first place? Why wasn't all this evidence just sent to Mahz or another unaffiliated mod? Why the hell has it just become a big bonfire for people to mob up around, ready to burn the effigies of those in "power" that they hate? Because it feels to me this thread's purpose was less inclined to protest and more inclined to incite a riot.

@DruSM157

My apologies, I missed this part, but this was done as well which can be seen on this post. This thread was not created to "incite a riot" and I've been personally doing my best to remain as welcoming and civil as possible, but seeing that our previous attempts were met with disregard, what are desperate users to do? This isn't about looking for attention or a chance to stir drama, it's actually about trying to have a civil discussion in order to find solutions to problems that are even acknowledged by those that aren't involved. That may not be true for every person in this thread, but it is certainly true for the person who created this thread - me.

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What's the end goal here?

@DruSM157

Taken from earlier in this thread:

We've had genuine concerns and requests, denied time and time again by other mods- While I am appreciative you are willing to hear me out, again, as I pointed out earlier, there's really no point when the head admin already said he would stand by my ban with little to no discussion, as evidenced by j8cob's attempt.

I forgot to also add I wanted uniform application of the rules- You weren't there on the discord when I decided to air my shortcoming about babycrib and the lack of a proper warn then ban system, (Chai, another user on the thread also expressed the same misgivings about the so called "babycrib") Yet only I was targeted. So why was Chai, this other user not targeted? She can vouch for me since babycrib is obviously now deleted. It makes little to no sense, which is why I've really not talked about the issues I had until now- seeing as Nutts and Mahz are willing to disregard what I say, I didn't feel there was a point in protesting any of it.

@Nytem4re

I would like to see more solid rules that can't be interpreted as the administration sees fit. This would be ideal for both the Discord and website itself. I think that adding new members to the Staff team would be a viable suggestion as well seeing as we seem to rotate between the same seven individuals or so. I'm also not necessarily saying to demote anyone, but there may be grounds to argue for this as well.

@Cyndyr

• Mods do their jobs. (This one is harder for some than for others.)
• Mods do their jobs in a prompt and timely fashion.
• Mods do their jobs without bias, prejudice, or favoritism.
• Mods do their jobs without whining about how hard it is and how little it pays. You volunteered your way into the position and you can volunteer your way out of it if actually fulfilling your obligations is, for any reason, too difficult.
• Mods do all of the above with transparency and honesty.

@pugbutter

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I would also like to point out that I never took screenshots prior to my conversation with NuttsnBolts when creating this topic and then again to document the discussion between HeySeuss and NuttsnBolts regarding the lack of context provided in my OP. All of the other screenshots used by me in the OP were given to me by a myriad of other users both on Valhalla and elsewhere. Saying that I "started it" is far from true nor is this "a tactic" that I've been using. To even imply that either of those suggestions are true is inherently wrong in itself.

@NuttsnBolts@Nytem4re

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My intention is not to shift blame as I included the staff as well, but to see if you aware of the gravity of these discussions and how there is a very fine line between civil and uncivil. While this thread has been positive it does contain roots that extend back to unfavoured events of the past. Already I have seen Poo comment with a reply where he felt he really had to explain what it was he was saying without people reading between the lines or taking it out of context.

@NuttsnBolts

I'm wondering if it is others who are unaware of the gravity of this discussion as I most certainly am. I, however, have been mocked repeatedly in the "Help" channel on the Official Guild Discord for the past three days for creating this topic, but here we are, discussing change as I had originally intended. I think that straying away from civil discussion no matter how ugly it gets is a little lazy and improper.

As for the screenshots by Cyndyr, I acknowledge that she was not in the original dispute but over time she became involved, I am not disputing that I did take and obtain some screenshots, but I will state that I was not the one who started the screenshots, that I did not share the ones from the staff discussion, and that instead of participating in these actions we have on multiple fronts made mountains out of molehills.

@NuttsnBolts

And where exactly had I involved myself to this situation prior to the creation of this topic? I asked to have my name removed from a list of negative associates and then said nothing more on the matter until nearly two months later. I would really like to see some evidence be provided to support this claim.

Additionally, I would like to ask for evidence supporting your claim that J8cob was somehow involved in Wade Wilson's ban. While I wasn't exactly active on the day of her ban due to work, I see their bans as two completely separate events and fail to see how they are correlated in the slightest. I would also ask how it was justified to refuse to tell J8cob what he did wrong, but I believe that is a question to ask Mahz at a later date.

Thank you in advanced for your response.

Er... hello!

Aye, thank you! Can't wait to get started

@Space Din0saur

I hope you do enjoy the time that you spend on here! :)

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

The next point I would like to address is Cyndyr's decision for quoting my Private discussion with her. You by no means were obligated to display the additional portion of that discussion that I held with you, but you chose to do so. The reason why I directed you to Ruby was because I had no part in that discussion and if you would like to remedy any views on your persona then it would probably be a wiser decision to talk to the Staff Member in question rather than someone who was at the time heading second hand news.

As pointed out you and Ruby had some sort of dispute that branches back to before the creation of RPG Official and you should be the one to take responsibility for those actions. The mention of accountability has been bought up in this thread, but by creating this thread you have also involved multiple members of the community who have nothing to do with the events being discussed. Do you take ownership for that in the same way that I have taken ownership for the bans, and mistakes, that I have made within my short time as a moderator?

Your actions here, combined with Grim's actions, and even the actions of the staff, have affected many members in a negitive way. Friendships have been lost, trust shattered throughout the community, and the screenshots of who is the worse person needs to stop if we have any desire to move forward. Continuing to fight, rather than discuss; aggravated rants, rather than reports; and even quick reactions rather than a step back and reflection, have all stopped people from roleplaying and forced them into a battle of site politics. In future, raise your concerns through the correct channels so we can deal with them more efficiently.

@NuttsnBolts

I was under the impression that this was a discussion, is it not? I meant no harm with the creation of this topic and I personally believe that it has begun to reflect positively on the forums overall as it shows a willingness in the community to communicate and change. I will own and take ownership for any negativity that has been caused by the creation of this topic, otherwise, I simply see this message as an attempt to shift blame onto me.

I do acknowledge, however, that you are right and I should have simply spoken with Ruby which is an action that I do apologize for. It was an action that I believe would have resulted in further damage, but based on what Ruby herself has said on this thread, then I realize that the outcome may have been opposite from what I had initially expected.

With that in mind, I do appreciate both you and Ruby coming forward to join the discussion as well as investigating Nyte's ban.

Er... hello!

I saw you on the Discord last night. Welcome to the website, Kira! If you have any questions regarding the website and/or Roleplaying, then don't hesitate to ask! Otherwise, I hope you find what you're looking for and enjoy the time that you spend on here!

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Curiously, as it interests me a great deal, what exactly do people want done/changed? What policies and all.

@Rilla

I would like to see more solid rules that can't be interpreted as the administration sees fit. This would be ideal for both the Discord and website itself. I think that adding new members to the Staff team would be a viable suggestion as well seeing as we seem to rotate between the same seven individuals or so. I'm also not necessarily saying to demote anyone, but there may be grounds to argue for this as well.

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I apologize for the delay with posting these screenshots, but I've been restricted to my phone for the past eight and a half hours due to work, but anyway, here is a screenshot that is acting as a response to these comments:

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As I had previously promised, I will be happy to provide context and/or further screenshots for discussions that are believed to be taken out of context. I don't believe that the additional two lines here had much to add to the point I was trying to make that I felt blatantly ignored and in fact, I actually think that they make my argument out to be stronger upon reflection. Not only my request completely ignored, but I was told to see another moderator about the matter. I understand that staff are not superhuman and completely prepared to deal with every situation, but users should be able to report issues to Staff of their choosing and expect to get a just response. Given my history with Ruby and the fact that she (rightfully so) told me to never speak to her again, I figured that discussing this matter with her would not end very well. That being said, I will update this screenshot to the OP for further context on this conversation.

On a side note, I would like to thank The Spectre for uploading the conversation between Mahz and himself regarding J8cob's appeal. While Hank has kindly offered to hear an appeal, it seems that Mahz does not feel similar and this (along with bans not fully being explained) is echoed in conversations between Mahz and J8cob's "appeal account" which can be seen here:

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If this is a bannable offense while advocating for the death of all Muslims is not, then I'm not really sure if RoleplayerGuild is the site that I once thought it to be.