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Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

Which is why the scheme of clusters exists. I don't see why it doesn't reasonably fit within the standard model.

@Meta

Because a Living God is, again, beyond that by their very being. I mean reading through the CYOA itself and the lore it's author made on the structure of the Verse should make this quite apparent. The only times in which it seemingly differs is when you have a Master God in charge of a Verse, in which case I assume the Living God is equal in power, thus resulting in a stalemate. But Anarchic builds don't have those since they prioritize player interaction.

And yes, it is illogical to assume that because a Living God exists Existence would have been erased. If we assume it's literally just Zachary, well the question then becomes why would he destroy Existence? He's done nothing but avoid having to use his powers, and even in the times he does I've not envisioned them being massively destructive changes. The only large-scale manipulation I have in mind, as a matter of fact, was that he used that Subtle ability to erase all traces of his existence from his home Verse.

Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

One can scale up as many times as one wishes—omni, all, upper, transcendental. It can still fit inside of Existence, if it's within its own bubble. Like Meta said, that CYOA can fit in its own, sub-Existence omniverse. We have designed Existence so it is not subject to eternally increasing scale problems.

@whizzball1

Except it quite literally can't. The way it's structured prevents that by nature, unless you want his Verse to be a sub-copy of sorts of Existence in it's entirety, though that doesn't explain how it's structure differs from Existence proper. Like, again, the person who wrote that CYOA essentially made a Myriad Reality of their own so to speak, in that it's scale and scope are similar, but more broken thanks to Living God builds. Well, that and it's focus is on Living Gods.

Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

Can you clarify why a CYOA modifies how he interacts with MR? MR is structured so that any origin idea can be fit in without modifying the source material. If there's a universe for everything, and clusters for multiverses, what use is it to go beyond that just because something is sourced from a CYOA instead of another piece of media or an OC?

@Meta

Because this CYOA literally deals with beings, Living Gods, that are well beyond omniversal in scope. Quite simply, a Living God is beyond the Verse, though the time it takes to get to the Master Spark powers, the real broken powers, varies depending on what ascension you choose at the get-go.

Myriad Reality

Like if I use him, even if I weaken him to a lower level of ascension, the stipulations still exist. He'll still be from a different Verse, and fate will still be calling him back to it.

Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

What I'm questioning is the point of giving him a Plane to begin with. It ends up locking him out of most interaction, and overengineers a solution to someone having godlike powers in a universe. Part of the fun is having multiple universes worth of beings who, regardless of their own strength on their original world, are thrown onto a different playing field for the new one. TL;DR, I don't really see what you want to accomplish by adding those stipulations that wouldn't be accomplished with normal dimensional rules.

<Snipped quote by Dark Cloud>

There's always our favorite blue-haired misfit.

@Meta

Yeah, problem there is he was made using a CYOA that goes a tad beyond those normal rules.

Myriad Reality

Now I should clarify that my arc for him isn't one of conflict necessarily, it's more him learning how to be a king. A good king preferably, and him learning how to confront and earn the royalty his ascension has given him. So if we really wanted we could simply have him not fight anyone. It's not like he can die, or if he does, suffer any real consequence from it after all.

Myriad Reality

@Caldizar

We designed MR's universe system to be able to incorporate godlike entities that are part of fandoms, by tying their powers to their universes (or multiverses inside of Existence). Outside of those dimensions, they do not have that level of power. If we say they can—well, your character may not want to get involved with the rest of Existence's battles, but we cannot say, realistically, that there are no Living Gods who will share that indifference. If any universe's godlike beings could exert that godlike power over Existence, it would long since be destroyed or enslaved.

Based on this reasoning, it would be best to keep his godlike powers in-universe. Even though he's part of a fandom where his powers are godlike in an entire Verse, that "Verse" should again be in its own layer underneath the umbrella of Existence.

(But! I would not go so far as to say that this should eliminate his powers outside of his dimension. If I were trying to figure out the power, I'd see it more as a supreme control of self but not necessarily the things around him. This might mean invulnerability of a certain kind (which one of my characters has!), but it wouldn't mean the ability to control someone else's person at will, or to create an attack of perfectly irresistible power, both of which would lead to the balance issue I mentioned earlier.)

@whizzball1

I mean in this case you can realistically say they're aren't any other Living Gods, because mine is the only build here. Plus his own Verse is another Plane, using the terms here anyway, so the problem of how powers work is more how they translate between two separate Existences.

And don't get me wrong, I see the balance issues, but that's the thing. He's a god, gods aren't meant to be balanced. Not real gods anyway. My form of balancing though was making him human-ish via that extra option near the end of the sheet and saying he really just wants to live a normal life, though fate keeps roping him back to his Plane regardless.

Myriad Reality

*Having showered and changed, I make my way back to my bedroom, when the sound of something falling nearby catches my attention*

What the-

*Turns, only to find a simple gold band lying on the floor, one that sends a wave of previously buried emotions surging back through my being. The strongest of these being shame*

How selfish can I be...

*Moves over to the ring and picks it up*

To have left such a good thing behind?

*Clenching my hand tightly, the band pressing into flesh, I summon the same clothes I was wearing before as I make my way back outside*

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Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

Alright, sweet. No worries then.

I find it funny that the CYOA used the term "Amaranth" when one of our players made up something called "Amaranthine". It's a nice coincidence.

@The World

Oh I noticed, but uh it's got nothing to do with energy in the Living God case.

Amaranth: Though you are nigh-omnipotent in your own right, you can sense a higher state even than this, an enlightenment of enlightenments. There is a new story beyond this one, a new dream to be had, not by another but by yourself. This state may require impossible efforts, but its attainable given enough time. Once Amaranth, the ultimate enlightenment, is attained, you will be absolutely, transcendently powerful and unquestionably omnipotent. All worlds and narratives will be your stories, and you will supersede absolutely everything. Of course, you've got plenty of time before that. Prepare yourself as a proper vessel for the infinite.

The author of the CYOA read a lot of Kirkbride's writings, the guy who wrote a lot of the lore for Morrowind, and the term Amaranth comes up in his non-canon C0DA work in reference to becoming so sensory deprived that you dream a new reality into existence.

This thread explains it best I think, as far as Kirkbride's influence goes anyway: reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2j0cjc/…

Also this: imperial-library.info/content/posts-k…

And finally C0DA itself.

Myriad Reality

<Snipped quote by Caldizar>

So that would be what we call a "Plane" then. Yeah, I know the term is slightly confusing since it often is used in more low-level form, but basically our system is that Existence is a Plane, alongside other "Existences" that we know nothing about (bar one Plane in particular) and can't access, all of which fits on what is called a "Scale", which is like an omniverse for Planes. Then there's, theoretically, lower Scales and at least one known higher Scale, all of which can't interact with our Scale.
If all that makes sense, it sounds like the only thing to note would be that Zachary is from a different Plane that probably doesn't work off of Code, but does likely work off philotes regardless of that? Since he's in Existence he's likely been converted to Code to, well, "exist" in it. (Code being in the simplest terms the things which the states of determine bigger things. Like atoms were thought to be and sort of like DNA just with countless possible states.)
Wrote more but "Multiplayer" and "Anarchic Verses" sort of already say everything I was going to, so I'll leave it out unless you want to hear it.

@The World

Ah, well yeah in this case it would be another Plane, at least as I'm determining it here. This was written by someone who was just making their own CYOA and lore, so it probably won't fit entirely perfectly if we go into what makes each function. Especially since I don't know all of what makes the Verse he comes from run outside of minor mentions in the CYOA itself to creation energies, along with Ad and Sub Deus.

Whatever either of those last two are.

Good thing I didn't make one of his goals Amaranth then, because as far as the author of the CYOA intended, that's actual omnipotence. Like, no limit, and since it's described as a level of power beyond what a Living God currently has, I could easily see it being him ascending to that higher Scale you mentioned. At least in this case, since the author says all narratives and stories are yours in the description of it.

But uh, he ain't geared towards that, so.