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Myriad Reality

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Your ability isn't my concern. I'm sure you're more than capable of making an OP character be fine, but I'm mostly interested in why there needs to be any exceptions to MR's structure, when to me, a CYOA works perfectly fine within the dimension system that we have in place. I'm not convinced that they're incompatible by nature, particularly because the system was designed to be compatible with everything.

@Meta

Look, I just want him to be a Living God who came to hide out here because he got sick of dealing with everyone's shit in his own Existence, before realizing that the right thing to do is go back and rise to the occasion rather than run from it. That's literally all I wanted to do with him. Yes, I'm aware there's a million ways to tell that tale, but I've yet to tell it with a character like Zachary.

And again, lorewise I already had this talk with The World, and agreed that it was just another Plane using the terminology here. So still fitting the definition of a Verse without overwriting what's already been established.

Myriad Reality

Look, I get not everyone can play a god properly, but after several years and several thousand posts, I think I'm capable of doing that without stepping on anyone's toes. And yes you might mention the whole comment regarding Ded, which at most was a boast and a joke, as I doubt they'll ever cross paths. Even if they do, I feel like Zachary is the kind of guy to just annoy him by refusing to die, since he has equally dark and evil beings in his own Verse that he's dealt with before. Like, at this point he'd seem them the same way you do an edgy teenager.

Actually, you want an example of me playing a Living God in another roleplay that isn't scaled to their level?

Here, read all the Teo posts, since he's also a Living God I made: roleplayerguild.com/topics/184811-cro…

Now yes, is he played for laughs and is his avatar vastly scaled down in power? Indeed. But that doesn't mean he can't still decide to use his full might. The only reason he doesn't is because that's not how I want to play him.

Myriad Reality

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The definition of god is something that is hotly debated. It has been on people's minds for thousands of years. Your own philosophical concept of a god is what you are bringing in here, or perhaps the concept of whoever wrote this CYOA. I will not debate the merits or demerits of your concept of a god, but argue that you must use a different definition than the one you are currently using to fit it in Myriad Reality, and whatever definition you decide on, it should allow that he has limited power in wider Existence, and that his sphere of influence is within Existence and underneath it.

If you want your being of absolute power to be absolutely safe in wider Existence, that's probably fine. But his power should be limited as it affects others.

@whizzball1

Again, I intend for him only to use the bare basics of Omnikinesis, and even then he can still be injured and hurt. The only times that might not apply are when there's actual consequences, though he could still decide to feel like a human does for the sake of maintaining some normalcy. As for what parts of Omnikinesis specifically, since time manipulation is really more of a detriment than a blessing, at most maybe creating things or a form of telekinesis. Those are powers I can reasonably manage and use in a way that doesn't break posting flow.

As for my definition, I use what the CYOA goes by since that's what he's based so heavily on, but I added the caveat that he isn't here to abuse his power. Again he's running from it, and my most recent post was really just giving him reason to go talk to Illings again, being motivated to get involved with things just a tiny bit.

Myriad Reality

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I'd argue that they are part of Existence in the context of a particular dimension.

@Meta

Except they aren't, because the structure of Existence here is not a unique concept and many others have had their own spin on it. Living Gods fall under the CYOA author's spin largely, though again I did try to bring one I'd made in, in the most unobtrusive way possible.

As an example, he would have never used the full scope of his powers. At most he'd have omnikinesis, and there'd be struggles within that thanks to the Humanity option near the end of his sheet, and I'd try to keep any times he did use the full breadth of his abilities very rare. Like you'd have to push quite a bit to get him to redefine all of Existence to deny your own. And yeah, he could shrug of Ded's attacks, because it's within the scope of his abilities to do. Doesn't mean he has to meet Ded, and it doesn't mean that he has to kill him either. He could settle for just annoying him by not dying.

Myriad Reality

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Ascension levels, spark powers, and Living Gods are not part of Existence. They are part of this CYOA, which can only fit in Existence insofar as it does not encroach on Existence.

Why would it be foolish to limit a god outside of the realm of his control?

@whizzball1

As to the first, you are correct. And again, I attempted to rectify this by making a character whose main goal was not messing with the order of Existence but learning from it.

As for the second, come on.

Gods are gods, and if we take them for what they should be, limits should be the last thing on one's mind. The only reason mythology limits them is because humans needed a way to explain phenomena, and the only reason they are limited here is for balance. Both of which are understandable but sort of arbitrary because a god's a god. Not a man, not a mortal, and thus logically not possessing limits of any kind. At least in the loosest terms.

Myriad Reality

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My issue is that all of that works perfectly within the context of the Russian doll that is Existence. Why doesn't that all, included omnipotence, fit within the context of their greater dimension or cluster?

@Meta

Because they've reached a point beyond that scheme? And his Verse again doesn't exist within Existence but the Outside, a place that even in the CYOA is identical to the concept you present here.

The reason it can't fit within is because, well if we're being honest it wasn't made to, and because the entire focus of a Living God is above Existences, Verses, etc.

Myriad Reality

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I would appreciate if you did not use condescending phrases such as "and you forget". If I am also sounding too rigid in my responses, I apologise, but I am firm in my stance that a character whose powers are to be nigh-untouchable and nigh-unstoppable cannot have such powers to their full extent when interacting with wider Existence.

@whizzball1

No, no, it's fine. I should be apologizing in this case, and I understand where all of you are coming from. Problem is it's kind of foolish to limit a god in the first place, and secondly it's hard to do it in this case when it's kind of vital to his whole character. Like he's running away from his responsibility as a nearly all-powerful being and choosing to live as normally as he can. Lastly, from the descriptions given in the thing I made him with, the wider expanse of Existence would once again be beneath a Living God. Even one of a lower ascension level thanks to all the free Spark Powers they can get.

Myriad Reality

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That plot structure—going to another place where destiny doesn't weigh on you for a time—will work perfectly fine if his Verse is within the context of Existence, and his omnipotence is only there. How his omnipotence works is not a question for wider Existence, because in wider Existence nobody can possibly be omnipotent. It must be confined.

@whizzball1

And you forget that nigh-omnipotence, no matter how powerful, is not omnipotence. I understand that unlimited power must be contained, but no matter how few weaknesses these abilities have, they are technically not unlimited. Granted, the line is blurred, though that's hardly my fault nor my doing.

Myriad Reality

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The disconnect for me is that I don't understand how the lore ends up overwriting the structure of MR. If a being is canonically multiversal, then they belong to a cluster, where there's already a multiverse. And beyond that is the broader multiverse that is Existence. And if a being is a god in their universe, then they have complete, absolute control over that universe. But I fail to see why that necessitates them being gods over all of Existence.

@Meta

Because at ascension they literally transcend all universes, multiverses, and omniverses. They have power over the thing that's above all that, the Verse, and if you read some of the abilities you can have in the CYOA, you'll see that they can go so far as to make their own Verses. Like I said, the Verse is Existence using different terminology, because the person who wrote it all essentially has the same structure for things, cosmologically speaking, that you do here. Just with deviations.

Myriad Reality

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Their Myriad Reality is not our Myriad Reality. Superimposing the CYOA on Existence is practically rewriting the rules of Existence with the CYOA's, which I don't think would be in good faith.

@whizzball1

Which is why my alternative is not forcing a rewrite. Merely it's him hiding out here until he eventually decides, preferably through the actions of allies and friends, to return and face his destiny. To rise to the challenge of ruling his own Verse and its disputes rather than running from it all.

The only thing I'm doing is just leaving the statement that he has nigh-omnipotent power intact, as the author wrote it. Doesn't mean my arc plans to focus on it, because honestly that's a win state most of the time, and those are boring to write.

Plus there's only so many ways I can describe a power just forcing things to go his way before it gets repetitive. Like logically it would make sense, but also what enjoyment would I get from that really? Especially when my goal is to explore how an all-powerful being deals with responsibility?