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Current Anybody else played Vampyr? Almost done with it and it's a pretty sweet game if you don't mind combat that was seemingly designed by a wet noodle.
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"The fears we don't face become our limits." - Robin Sharma
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"Hope is what makes us strong, it's why we are here. It's what we fight with when all else is lost." - Pandora, God of War 3
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"Sometimes the smallest things take up the most room in your heart." A.A. Milne
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"Find something to believe in, and find it for yourself. When you do, pass it on to the future." - Solid Snake

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@MrDidact

I think now might be an appropriate time to suggest that all conversation is moved to the OOC or PM to keep things a little neater cause I'm kind of getting confused trying to track all both of those and the IC right now haha.
@Gowi

I'm glad to see you came over to my side of the force! But really I dont want you to fee obligated to play her and if you think you'll end up losing interest I'd still recommend doing something else. But if you really do like the idea then awesome cause I'd be excited to see that plot play out!
@Gowi

Im not arguing your point in saying that people will get more invested in a plot if they have an influence in how it is developed, and I'm not arguing that we have more wisdom or knowledge when it comes to roleplaying than you do. I don't really think its up to us to determine how anybody should play their character.

But for instance, say somebody was intent on playing Viserys. I recognize thats a more extreme example than Shireen but just for the sake of argument. He'd mess up the continuity because obviously he'd be another Targ heir that would prevent Dany's rise to the throne of westeros so on and so forth. Obviously Shireen wouldn't influence Dany and Jon coming to power on the throne, but theres a chance she'd affect other important things that might create a plot hole. For instance you could ask how she managed to survive her fathers army being crushed to bits, her father dying, then crossing the north in the wintertime in what was currently enemy territory AND just on the fringe of the long night?

And even though you might be able to explain away many of the issues that could arise, I think another concern is being fair to other people down the line. What if someone wants to play Kevan Lannister? His death was only mentioned at the end of aDwD, however it could have a major effect. Yet its important to the overall continuity set up here and we'd have to change more and more backstory to accomodate this kind of thing and then the continuum gets choppy and things start to fall apart.

So it's not playing Shireen thats the issue, it's just that she died in the show and shes gonna die in the books and it seems to me like Didact really wants to keep the definite canon a relevant as we can.

Also I don't want you to feel like I'm trying to make you do anything! I just want to be fair and try to explain where I'm coming from so we don't seem like we're just exerting power over the players for the hell of it. And if you do decide you want to play a resurrected Shireen I'd love to spitball some ideas with you if you want some help! Really if you're worried she will just have to be a cold hearted shrewd with R'hllor as her only light in life then you could make her first character arch be one about her re-discovering her hope for mankind! Hopefully if nothing else you find another interesting character to play. Who knows, Didact might even let you play Shireen and ignore her death anyway, like I said it's his call and I'll be fully behind his decision.
@Enzayne Hey Welcome! Glad to have you aboard, I'm up sulking around the forums right now so if you have any questions feel free to message me or post on here, I'll help you out to the best of my ability without overstepping my bounds :P
@Gowi

I find your argument to be fully valid and fair, you cant be expected to play a character you dont want to play. And you're also correct that things can be tweaked here and there, it's just that Didact is watching out for future players who enter because he doesnt want to set a precedent that other dead characters can just be thrown back in and have people muddle with the timeline further because of the continuity issues that could arise. And as he said in his PM to me, it could be done on a case by case basis but then how do you fairly determine who gets their way and who doesnt?

Personally I dont think either of us have an issue with you playing shireen and removing Edric Storm, it's just that we (or at the very least, I) think it would be better from a narrative perspective if she was resurrected rather than avoiding the death as a whole. And it's partially because her death is definitely concrete. I realize George is generally ambiguous when it comes to future books events however he has stated several times since the airing of that episode that Shireen is going to be burned in the book by Stannis as well, even going as far as to say he was disappointed that the show spoiled it.

Im glad you're being graceful about our reluctance, however now that I know I've gotten my opinion fully out there I would also like to say that Im only in this to see us all have as much fun as we can, and I will support whatever decision Didact wants to make regarding you playing Shireen.
Hey I haven't posted here yet, just saying hi to everybody and staking a claim for House Lannister.

As I discussed with Didact I'll happily give up the claim of anybody else is set on playing the whole house.
I think a bigger issue is rising here and that's just the one of where the GM involvement ends and the player freedom begins. What we have to realize is that even though it's a sandbox game it has to have a precedent set that determines the end point of the story in the novels and HBO series that way we can move on and direct a new plot line in the 'modern day' if you will.

I believe that @MrDidact chose to begin the roleplay in such a political state with only the best interests of the players and the game as a whole at heart. The only reason I suggest Shireen remain dead is because of the thematic importance of her death in the overall narrative. It shows the desperation of defeating the long night and that nobody is safe from the cruelty perpetrated by mankind. Keeping her alive would really take away from the overall impact of death in the story in my opinion. However I think a resurrection would also be thematically appropriate because it would be a testament to the fortitude and spirit and the righteousness of those who stood against the white walkers.

I was suggested she be sacrificed and then resurrected shortly after, not well into her adulthood. More as something that could be used as a part of the characters distant history that would no doubt influence her way of thinking and others perception of her.

Anyway I hope there's no tension here and I hate to see someone turn away interest :( in the end it is Didact's call, but I think resurrection is the best route. I hope something can be worked out to get you to stay, @Gowi.
Well there are your two players! I'll pm you and get some plans rolling @MrDidact.
Also interested. Wouldn't mind being a co-GM if you need it as well, I DM a game of D&D as well as having ran a large number of role plays and having read all 5 ice and fire books I think I could be helpful. Keep me in mind!
Hey cool, I was thinking this had died. Not sure whats going on with everyone else but oh well just glad to know at least a couple retain interest!
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