Kestrel

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That's honestly a pretty bad first impression, then. What does being lazy with your bio hold in store for us when we get to the IC?

Define danger, depending on your definition I'll see if I allow it.

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So... You dedicated the entire bio to a transition from innocent kid to cold-blooded psychotic killer happening in an instant. Right. Are you sure this character fits? I'm usually not very difficult about the kind of characters people want to play, nor want to bitch too much about the absurdity of it all, but Alyss is seriously fucked up. Cutting up other kids and being smug bout it is not a record that helps you get through your application process. I mean we don't even know how she got into the Library; she more sounds like a mission than an employee. Seriously, we know she was bullied and that she cut other kids up and that's it. I don't usually reject people for a bio, but this is something that needs to be changed.

Ability-wise;

Dark Fury gives you a ranged attack, so it doesn't need to be a power-up as well.

Dark Guardian is op. A back-to-base teleport is cool and insanely useful, but it can't be instant because that's basically an ultimate dodge, and the stat multiplier is besides op wholly unnecessary.

Other abilities look good and stuff. But seriously, that bio :/

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chukklehed seems to have most covered.

Raen Elvarasi said
*Does a victory dance* Hey, I was wondering...Is this a kid friendly environment, or am I allowed to have inappropriate language and the such in my CS?

I have no idea why you'd need to swear in a CS, but I'd rather you use actual words than censor them out with *** and stuff because that's just shitty. By saying this, though, I am assuming you use swearing with a purpose, rather than acting like a six year old who just learned the words ;p

Raen Elvarasi said
Okay. Just wondering. Could be useful in a supportive stand-point.

If breaking your own blade trying to hit another holder sounds useful to you ;p

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No.

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You can use the Lobby thread for that too.

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I think I'm up for a couple missions, and I know Brovo is ;p

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Yeah, we're still open I think. Though getting you into a mission might be a little tricky.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Jig said
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I'm not saying don't converse or plot stuff OOC, I'm saying you don't have to read the character sheet to do so.

Locking yourself was meant as in forgoing character development. I think the rest is moving away from 'should people read character sheets or not' discussion though.

Pachamac said
No, not at all. I don't require or expect people to read my CSes. Even if they did or didn't I would still read every other player's because again I think it's common courtesy and simple nicety. If they've gone to the effort of writing it out, then as someone who may be playing and rping with them it's a simple, nice thing to read their input and work.

Common courtesy suggests a behaviour you would expect from most people. That's my gripe, not whether it's nice or not.

Scout said
Well, Kestrel, I'm not saying that I need them to read it and tell me what i did right. But imagine an RP where the characters have spent years together training or practicing or becoming specialized in *something.* It would be entirely necessary to at least discuss what their relationship is, even if it's as small as "they barely know each other" - they would still know a little bit about one another.

Which I covered when I mentioned mixing back-stories, yeah.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Jig said
Even at the risk of minor meta-gaming, I still think that guiding your writing with OoC information tends to produce the best and most coherent results, and so it's worth having as much OoC information as possible. That's my experience anyway.

Only if you want to mix back stories. Everything else can be done through IC interaction and honestly; chemistry comes from interaction. People can tell you George is a great guy, but you won't experience it until you meet him.

Well, yeah, I agree with him. Overlapping character traits and roles can definitely be used and used well (exactly as in the example of rivalry I gave). It's just that I kinda think doing this well needs an awareness of who the other characters are in the RP and that generally means reading their sheets and OoC communication with the player.

So basically what you're saying is, if someone's character gets angry over the smallest thing IC, you won't realise they have a short fuse unless it's stated in the CS? 'cause that's pretty much what you're saying but I don't think you believe that. I mean, sure the background may say those anger issues are because of X or Y reason, but is that relevant to your interaction of your character does not know that reason?

While this is true, a character's conflict is usually decided (if the player has even given it thought, which is possibly the subject of New B!tching) at the sheet stage. Say, the RP's setting is a community in which werewolves are despised, and the player makes a werewolf character, the conflict of character vs society is already there, and this can be more and more specific, as in the case of the two characters in my previous post with dubious interests for the equivalent of the dark side of the force.While we wrote differently and the characters were a bit different in their interactions and such, ultimately, their character arcs and storylines were basically the same.

Wat? Werewolves can make other people werewolves, so Pete's main conflict of being late for rent turns into that he's becoming a man-eating silver-shunning wolfman. Meanwhile John, already a werewolf, gets shot in his leg with a silver bullet, and rather than spending his pages rejecting the society that doesn't want him; he now has to find a doctor willing to remove the bullet from a werewolf or face death.

One single event can change a character's goal and purpose. Locking yourself into your CS is just silly.

Pachamac said Also, I'm actually a little bit stunned at Kestral's comment about sometimes not reading other peoples' character sheets. I mean, yeah, a lot of the time what goes into a person's character sheet ends up being different to what comes out within the IC, but I still find it a common courtesy to actually read what all other people have written, even with something like that. I mean, I'd like to hope they'd read mine.

Basically you want someone to acknowledge you did something. I get that, but to call that common courtesy is silly. I mean, I join an RP to write collaboratively and interact through fiction; that in and of itself is my reward. Sure it's nice if I get a compliment, but that's not why I RP or submit a CS.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Meta-gaming means using information the player has and the character doesn't to the advantage of the character. The line between what you know and your character know is often somewhat blurry, especially in RP'ing where there are time gaps between your posts. It is not always abuse, it is sometimes something that happens without you even realising it.

For the rest of your post I'm just going to quote Brovo;

two people with the same archetype you can set up such classic relationships as apprentice-mentor or comrade-comrade, battle brothers, rivalry...

That was it.

Besides, let's not forget that two people rarely write the same character the same. Superhero comics are a prime example of this. The CS will essentially be void as a descriptor as soon as the IC starts and we get to the show don't tell part of it all.

As for RP's requiring specially assigned roles; Have fun that one week before it dies because one person dropped and you need to put everything on hold to find replacement. That's a flawed set-up to begin with.