Kost Alter

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

Looking over the first one I think I overlooked the last part <Snipped quote> It should be worded better I don't think a servant, or a mage would just outright stop resisting in an attempt to escape. A better word would be "for as long as the net entangles them they are unable to escape, and their attempts to free themselves become more difficult requiring agility, or luck check to escape properly." As such it punishes slower, and or less lucky servants and doesn't sound too ridiculous.

@vancexentan

No problem. Edited accordingly^^

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

Alright, Rank B is good enough for me. With that, I've edited my original submission with all changes.
@vancexentan

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

Alright I can work with that somewhat. If need to I can dabble in holy magic, and in some cases this won't work entirely. For Jeanne example. She literally breathes good nature.

@vancexentan

Yeah, it's probably not gonna work on Jeanne, like... at all. She's a good girl!

On the subject of replacing Oblivion Correction with a more suitable skill, would a Rank A of Independent Action be reasonable, or is it too high?

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

All the above taken into account. I've lowered the rank and made the furies killable with a regeneration clause (not nearly as broken as the demons summoned by Prelati's Spellbook). Made it more complex to activate.

2nd revision

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and tormented them to death. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. At that moment, her target will become "cursed". The Erinyes will gather all around them and assualt them from the shadows, lashing at them with their scourges and tearing at their skin with their sharp talons. Their effectiveness and the amount of damage they can do is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, or how much that person has committed deplorable crimes in life. The Noble Phantasm’s Rank receives boosts accordingly. To even activate this Noble Phantasm, Clytemnestra must first witness the target having committed a horrible crime (usually murder), or alternatively she needs to have definitive proof that the person has committed horrible crimes in the past (usually murder).
The Erinyes are independent Spirits possessing what equates to a Rank A of Presence Concealment, thus making it difficult to predict their attacks and guard against them. One can destroy them if their timing is good enough so as to strike them just as their Presence Concealment drops. However, their bodies will regenerate after a certain amount of time, at which point they'll immediately try to locate their victim and start tormenting them anew. Skills like Magic Resistance can lessen this curse's impact, provided their Rank is high enough. Having high defensive parameters, or possessing Skills that enhance endurance can also help lessen the damage and sustain oneself for a longer period of time than otherwise. However, if the curse is not lifted in an amount of time dependent on how capable the victim is of resiting it, they will ultimately die in agonizing pain and torment.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

@vancexentan

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

The first noble phantasm is fine however Oblivion Correction is a class skill of the avenger class and thus is unavailable to you. Unlike say Magical Resistance it has more to do with the inner nature of an avenger.

You may tell me when you're done making your other phantasm.

@vancexentan

I did give justification of why she has it without being an Avenger. In addition, canon servants have had skills unique to other classes before, like Saber Gilles having Mad Enhancement, or Elizabeth Bathory having Territory Creation. However, if it's an issue, I can either replace it with something else or remove it altogether.

As for my second Noble Phantasm, I have edited it to remove the confusing "insanity" aspect completely. Now it's more raw power, which will make it much easier to regulate, imo

revised Noble Phantasm

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and tormented them to death. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. At that moment, her target will become "cursed". The Erinyes will gather all around them and assualt them from the shadows, lashing at them with their scourges and tearing at their skin with their sharp talons. Their effectiveness and the amount of damage they can do is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, or how much that person has committed deplorable crimes in life. The Noble Phantasm’s Rank receives boosts accordingly.
The Erinyes are independent Spirits possessing what equates to a Rank EX of Presence Concealment, thus making it very difficult to predict their attacks and guard against them. Skills like Magic Resistance can lessen this curse's impact, provided their Rank is high enough. Having high defensive parameters, or possessing Skills that enhance endurance can also help lessen the damage and sustain oneself for a longer period of time than otherwise. However, if the curse is not lifted in an amount of time dependent on how capable the victim is of resiting it, they will ultimately die in agonizing pain and torment.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

old version (for comparison)

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Mind

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and drove them to insanity. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. However, they are not used as a weapon in the traditional sense. Rather, they are treated as a powerful curse. Since their role is simply to torment and hound relentlessly, their victim’s death will usually come as a result of insanity leading to excessive self-harm and/or suicide. In addition, their effectiveness or ineffectiveness is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, with the Noble Phantasm’s Rank receiving boosts accordingly.
After being called upon, the Erinyes will manifest inside the target’s own mind, hence this Noble Phantasm’s classification as “Anti-Mind”. Since they cannot be “seen” by anyone other than the person they’re tormenting, to an outsider it would appear as if that person is “going mad”. However, since the Erinyes and the torment their accusations can cause are still very real, this curse is in no way a form of mental interference Thaumaturgy, therefore Skills or abilities that would protect against such a thing will have no effect here.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

If anyone's interested in being a Master for my Rider (coming soon), I'm down, as I'd actually prefer to work with others rather than be my own Master, xD

@Cu Chulainn

If you want, I can make a Master for your Rider,and maybe you can make a Master for my Assassin. Hooray for teamwork!

<Snipped quote by Kost Alter>

The Erinyes are still anti-unit even if they are invisible and cannot be seen. They still exist and they still only affect one person. Hence why Kiyohimes is anti-unit even though she can attack numerous people. It only affects herself. Any abilty that affects the singular is anti-unit.

EDIT: Secondly how does this interact with madness enhancement which's sole purpose is to reduce mental disobedience and/or mental interference. Thirdly what if they are already insane and thus the furies add nothing or even remove anything. Fourthly how is it affected by magical resistance. As a curse it is still Magical. Otherwise its not a curse.

@1Charak2

Hmmmm... I'll admit, the Anti-Mind part was mainly meant to make it sound "cooler", but I suppose I can just as easily change it to Anti-Unit if I must.

Fate has plenty of insane characters, yes, but I think there's a difference between "Mwahahahaha" insanity and "I wanna gouge my own eyes out" insanity. In the case of Mad Enhancement, it was suggested by the GM that a high enough Rank would make them mostly unaffected, since at that point they'd just be mindless machines.

As for Magical Resistance, I suppose a high enough Rank could lessen their influence. The GM has the final say in any of those points.

From a gameplay perspective, yes, there are probably various ways to defend, I just couldn't think of all of them. Seeing how we actually do have a Berserker among the cast (and with a high Rank of ME to boot), this could be relevant if they end up fighting in the RP, so you did well by bringing this up in the earliest stages.

EDIT: On second thought, the whole "madness" aspect of this Noble Phantasm seems to have caused a fair amount of confusion, and I don't want to cause any problems here. I think I'll try to revamp my Noble Phantasm and change how it works in a way that's less confusing than what I currently have. I just need @vancexentan to first say whether the rest of my Servant sheet is okay or not, so I know which parts I'll need to rewrite. Thank you in advance.

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

Here's my custom Servant for this:

Assassin

Class Name: Assassin

Appearance

True Name

Clytemnestra

Nicknames: The Woman Who Slew a King

Alignment: Lawful Neutral

Servant of: N/A

Catalyst For Summon

Viable catalysts include Remains of the Trojan Horse (used for all Servants connected in any way to the Trojan War), Remains of Hippolyta's Axe, or The Mask of Agamemnon.

Weapon(s): Her axe (which is also one of her Noble Phantasms), a veil that she uses as a net.

Wish

Despite her vengeful nature, if Clytemnestra ever got the Holy Grail, her only wish would be to see her daughter Iphigenia again.

Class Skills:

Presence Concealment (Rank: B)

The capacity to hide one's presence as a Servant. Suitable for spying. It is possible to disappear and become extremely difficult to be detected. The Rank of Presence Concealment drops considerably when preparing to attack.

Independent Action (Rank: B)

The ability to remain independent even when rejecting the Magical Energy supply from one's Master. At Rank B, it is possible for a Servant to stay in the world for 2 days without a Master. However, this is the ideal value achieved by maximally conserving Mana and avoiding battle and Noble Phantasm usage.

Personal Skills:

Charisma (Rank: D)

A composite Skill consisting of a person's charm as well as the natural talent to command or unify an army or country. Increases the ability of allies during group battles. Having been the Queen of Mycenae during her lifetime, Clytemnestra naturally possesses this Skill. However, its Rank is quite low due to the people of Mycenae’s scorn over her sacrilegious actions, including the killing of their celebrated King.

Divinity (Rank: E-)

Despite Clytemnestra being born from human parents, her sister, the famous Helen of Troy, was said to have been fathered by Zeus, who appeared to her human mother in the form of a swan, seducing and impregnating her. Clytemnestra possesses a miniscule Rank of Divinity by being born from the same womb as Helen.

Hand Guided by Justice (Rank: A)

Clytemnestra’s personal Skill. It encompasses the unyielding belief that the self acts on a higher sense of justice, making all their actions “right” by default. Clytemnestra views herself not as a “petty woman” for her crimes, but as an instrument of that very justice. Servants possessing this Skill will always have a Lawful Neutral alignment, regardless of their actions. Makes it highly possible to completely resist charming, suggestion, temptation, mental corruption or alignment-altering magic.

Base Parameters:
Strength: E
Endurance: D
Agility: B
Magical Power: D
Good luck: B+
Noble Phantasm: B

Noble Phantasm 1

Name: Labrys, the Axe that Slew a King

Quote: N/A

Rank: C

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: 1

Description: A ceremonial, double-bitted axe used by Clytemnestra to slay her husband Agamemnon. According to Greek myth, it is actually the legendary axe of the Queen of Amazons, Hippolyta, and has been wielded by remarkable Heroes of the Age of Gods, including Heracles. Had it materialized as the Noble Phantasm of a stronger Servant, its Rank and relative power would have been a lot higher. However, Clytemnestra, who was never trained as a warrior, in addition to being summoned under the weaker Assassin Class, is unable to unlock its full potential.
One of the armaments Clytemnestra is summoned with as a Servant is her special veil, which she calls “Imatio Thanatou”, aka “the cloth of death”, the cloth net she used to entangle Agamemnon before killing him. Clytemnestra can combine that net with her Noble Phantasm to great effect, making up for her lack of raw power. For as long as the net entangles them, the target is unable to escape or resist their murderer, and their attempts to free themselves become more difficult, requiring Agility, or Luck check to escape properly.

Noble Phantasm 2

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and tormented them to death. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment.
Clytemnestra is able to invoke the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. At that moment, her target will become "cursed". The Erinyes will gather all around them and assault them from the shadows, lashing at them with their scourges and tearing at their skin with their sharp talons. Their effectiveness and the amount of damage they can do is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, or how much that person has committed deplorable crimes in life. The Noble Phantasm’s Rank receives boosts accordingly. To even activate this Noble Phantasm, Clytemnestra must first witness the target having committed a horrible crime (usually murder), or alternatively she needs to have definitive proof that the person has committed horrible crimes in the past (usually murder).
The Erinyes are independent Spirits possessing what equates to a Rank A of Presence Concealment, thus making it difficult to predict their attacks and guard against them. One can destroy them if their timing is good enough so as to strike them just as their Presence Concealment drops. However, their bodies will regenerate after a certain amount of time, at which point they'll immediately try to locate their victim and start tormenting them anew. Skills like Magic Resistance can lessen this curse's impact, provided their Rank is high enough. Having high defensive parameters, or possessing Skills that enhance endurance can also help lessen the damage and sustain oneself for a longer period of time than otherwise. However, if the curse is not lifted in an amount of time dependent on how capable the victim is of resisting it, they will ultimately die in agonizing pain and torment.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

I don't have a specific Master planned for her yet. I'm okay with contracting with another player's Master, but I can also make my own if nobody volunteers.

EDIT: As of 26/4, Skills and 2nd Noble Phantasm have been revamped.

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual Level - Alternate Universe - PVE Type Roleplay

As I said I just want to confirm who's playing who before we start and work out any details. I don't want to go into the OOC and reject a character then have someone leave making me reevaluate my plans. Likewise I would like some opinions on who my saber should be. I could pick my own easily enough but I feel it would be better to consider it as a group. If you have an opinion on the ones I gave then you may also throw in a vote/opinion.

@vancexentan

Hmmmm... Saber Jeanne would be an interesting version of her to see, imo. Mordred and Lancelot are fine too, but then you'd be almost contractually obligated to include Artoria/Arthur in the story somehow, since their lore kinda revolves around her/him. I have no opinion on Siegfried, but I don't hate him either.

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual Level - Alternate Universe - PVE Type Roleplay

Yeah, I'd be fine with that.

I'm crossing my fingers that this RP garners enough interest to launch.

Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual Level - Alternate Universe - PVE Type Roleplay

Yes I believe we should balance it on a case by case basis. In some cases it may even backfire miserably. I mean do you really want to force madness on Emperor Nero?

Also wouldn't it be almost useless on berserkers considering they're already insane?

@vancexentan

Oh wow, I didn't even think about Berserkers, lol. That's a very good point. I guess it'd make them "more insane"? Like, Mad Enhancement usually makes them incapable of rational thought, but they still know which things they need to smash. What if the noble phantasm deteriorates their mental state even further than their ME does? Basically, it'd make them even harder for their Master to control than they already are?