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You're telling me that people somehow managed to overlook that?

Come on guys, that's silly.
I don't care.

Allen has a great idea. Let's do that.
God damn it Allen.
AeronFarron said
http://www.albertatrans.org/mtf.shtmlRead that please guys, so maybe you can see where I am coming from. Transitions are not something that you can change a few things and bam! New gender.


Thanks, but I assure you we all know how gender transitions work. This wasn't relevant to the conversation anyways.
To add to Allen's post: I also want to clarify that knowing Theresa's story isn't a problem. But the same job could have been done with the same results in a different manner. The subject isn't the issue, it's the action. That's what we want to prevent before a serious metagaming issue occurs.

It's like stealing five dollars versus stealing a hundred dollars. Obviously, a hundred dollars is more significant than the five dollars, but the action is the same. It's stealing.
While events like that occur in reality, it's not nearly so often enough to justify presumption. There are bad calls. Having a "look" does not always constitute as it being true. Because reality ≠ anime. You see that a lot in anime, but you really can not afford to presume anything about another person in the real world because of a gut feeling. Some people make good soldiers. Some people don't. You can't really tell that by looking at someone because there are limitless factors that can be contributing to the "look" of that person in that given moment. And again, "looks" aren't enough.

I want to throw into the mix that I feel nervous about Quinn. Her sheet doesn't have a backstory. While the appearance and such lays enough groundwork that you might be able to assume she went through a phase in which gender identity was something that was relevant, you still can't do that without assuming. There's nothing solid or concrete that sets her life in stone and - I'm not saying you've done anything relating to this or not (or maybe you have, I haven't been reading your posts very thoroughly given my schedule and lack of relevance to myself) - you could make up anything about her life on the spot to justify whatever. Again, I haven't said you have, but I want to get my concern out in the open and I would appreciate if you kept that in mind so that we can make sure Quinn does not develop into something ridiculous.

I've been nice so far.

But if you want me to be a real bitch, you can continue saying shit like:

AeronFarron said So yes, I will continue to RP my character as she is. If you make/have a character whom is in transition, or post transition, she will recognize it and she may or may not comment on it


To be frank, I don't really care about this discussion about "my trans-senses are tingling!" But, a-hem-hem-HEM, I don't think that's going to fly. Set your foot down all you like, but ultimately, Allen does get final say. So change that, "so yes", into "so once I work out whatever with allen", because nobody but him has the authority to set anything in stone while we're posting in this thread. You can complain about the management of moderation, treatment, and basically any problems you might be having with another person (preferably maturely), but you don't set the course of the roleplay.

You can try though, since I think it would actually be pretty funny if you said "So yes, I can and will do this" and Allen says "nope" and makes a baby volcano grow beneath Quinn's bed in the middle of the night.

AeronFarron said Metagaming is an "out of character" action where a player's character makes use of knowledge that the player is aware of but that the character is not meant to be aware of.

I'm sorry, there is a character on this RP that can tell what your power is just by looking at you and can use that knowledge to her advantage.

Metagaming in this instance would be my character knowing why someone is transition, from which gender to which other gender, how they feel about it and would know exactly how to help them transition.

Quinn can't do that. She still needs to ask and confirm. She still has to talk to the person, and that is if she even cares to learn more. If you slow your roll and allow the two characters to actually finish the conversation before calling "Metagaming", you would learn how she knows and why.

The thing about your point, is that it's wrong.

Characters with powers that obtain information by looking at them is one thing, and it's done in such a way that we don't spoil character secrets until we're ready.. A character with no powers like that at all, and still obtaining information as if they did, is metagaming.

While you did not practice metagame to the extent that you described, out of character knowledge was taken and applied in character where a normal person would not have typically been able to deduce. Metagaming is *knowing* she had a transition, and not thinking "Huh, she looks a little masculine. Is she transgender or is she just pretty manly? Hey, what time is it? I'm hungry."
You could have Theresa bitch Quinn out. It being a less a matter of change, and more of what Theresa identifies herself as. As far as she's concerned, Theresa was always a girl.
Thoughts on the past ten hours.

Schradinger said
But summoning light from stars, sand from nothing, and having a body composed entirely of metal is perfectly legit. See what I mean about a confusing double standard?


The presence of powers is the suspension of disbelief. The effect of those powers on other people and on the environment around them is still very much real. You also stated that Paige wasn't immune to the damage that energy does on the body. It's not a double standard.

Also, if I get shot by a gun seven times, I won't be more resilient. If I got shot an eighth time, it is going to hurt just as much as it did when I was first shot.
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