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Creative writing vs mediocre storytelling. (Writers vs Players)
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10 yrs ago
Forum: Roleplaying Discussion
@Magnum If you are so hell-bent on calling me a hypocrite then go ahead, you already did twice. It doesn't matter, because I am pretty sure I'm not a hypocrite, you might need to find a more accurate word perhaps? That's your problem.
I did claim, yearned more than claimed, that people should post in higher quality, mind you it is irrelevant to post length. A single line can be of higher quality than a carelessly written paragraph, like this very post of yours. (Higher quality is in fact subjective, but to some extent the majority of an audience can agree on what is high quality and what is a series of junk in form of misspelled words, and careless grammar errors (I.e you're instead of your) )
Also Posting in free is for fun and a sort of escape from more serious levels where better effort is put in the department of creativity, BUT still said posts in free should still be of higher quality and I strive to deliver that even though some, admittedly, aren't on the par of what I am yearning for.
And no, my entire rant is not about just the fact, as you claim, that I despise or complain about people role playing JUST for fun. I acknowledge that people RP to have fun, and I respect them. I only called that MORE role players should write "artistically".
If I am a hypocrite then it implies that I dissed non-serious or casually rp'ing folks, then posted like them anyway. That accusation is false and only shows you misjudged me based on your perception that I contradicted myself. I respect all forms of RP and all role players, you included. So I'd abstain from labeling you with a single word, will keep it to myself. Avoid drama and keep this a healthy discussion instead of starting unnecessary flaming with a person I don't really know.
@Innue Honestly with all due respect, your analogy is a load of crap. It only tries to say that I am complaining about the art of Role Playing itself, and not the quality of writing. So I still think my simple analogy was on point and quite accurate, even if less blunt and colorful.
I don't really see my posts as grand, but I am confident enough they are not trash, or mediocre even, I can give you the input of numerous others to judge my writings. Like said it is subjective, so your own liking of my posts are your own set of judgment and criticism. And the zombie RP is called 'The Walking Dead: The ties that bind', and I am very aware that my posts in that particular RP are of high quality because I actually admire the subject.
I don't know what you consider high quality and inspiring, big and eloquent but empty words? Long paragraphs of fillers? Read my first three posts on that zombie thread then come back here and you may judge and criticize.
You are saying what you said in the third paragraph in a way that implies I disrespect 'less inspiring rp'ers'. I respect all kinds of people here, again, I only ASK for better writings, I don't abhor or bluntly disrespect those that write for fun.
I did claim, yearned more than claimed, that people should post in higher quality, mind you it is irrelevant to post length. A single line can be of higher quality than a carelessly written paragraph, like this very post of yours. (Higher quality is in fact subjective, but to some extent the majority of an audience can agree on what is high quality and what is a series of junk in form of misspelled words, and careless grammar errors (I.e you're instead of your) )
Also Posting in free is for fun and a sort of escape from more serious levels where better effort is put in the department of creativity, BUT still said posts in free should still be of higher quality and I strive to deliver that even though some, admittedly, aren't on the par of what I am yearning for.
And no, my entire rant is not about just the fact, as you claim, that I despise or complain about people role playing JUST for fun. I acknowledge that people RP to have fun, and I respect them. I only called that MORE role players should write "artistically".
If I am a hypocrite then it implies that I dissed non-serious or casually rp'ing folks, then posted like them anyway. That accusation is false and only shows you misjudged me based on your perception that I contradicted myself. I respect all forms of RP and all role players, you included. So I'd abstain from labeling you with a single word, will keep it to myself. Avoid drama and keep this a healthy discussion instead of starting unnecessary flaming with a person I don't really know.
@Innue Honestly with all due respect, your analogy is a load of crap. It only tries to say that I am complaining about the art of Role Playing itself, and not the quality of writing. So I still think my simple analogy was on point and quite accurate, even if less blunt and colorful.
I don't really see my posts as grand, but I am confident enough they are not trash, or mediocre even, I can give you the input of numerous others to judge my writings. Like said it is subjective, so your own liking of my posts are your own set of judgment and criticism. And the zombie RP is called 'The Walking Dead: The ties that bind', and I am very aware that my posts in that particular RP are of high quality because I actually admire the subject.
I don't know what you consider high quality and inspiring, big and eloquent but empty words? Long paragraphs of fillers? Read my first three posts on that zombie thread then come back here and you may judge and criticize.
You are saying what you said in the third paragraph in a way that implies I disrespect 'less inspiring rp'ers'. I respect all kinds of people here, again, I only ASK for better writings, I don't abhor or bluntly disrespect those that write for fun.
I will post as Hagrid in a couple hours, those that didn't post yet please do, when Hagrid's post is up you will just have to catch up, sorry.
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@Innue I don't get how the quality of my posts (which you make it sound bad) forbids me from starting a thread where I complain about less inspiring writings. I don't see how I don't get the right to ask and call for something bigger and better, even if that was better than what I deliver.
According to your logic, I'd have to be a fisherman to criticize fishing. And like I said, I never claimed I was an elite writer.
@Magnum Hypocrisy is a strong word, so unless you really know whether I am being a hypocrite or you are misjudging, abstain from using such words. Seriously, that's childish.
According to your logic, I'd have to be a fisherman to criticize fishing. And like I said, I never claimed I was an elite writer.
@Magnum Hypocrisy is a strong word, so unless you really know whether I am being a hypocrite or you are misjudging, abstain from using such words. Seriously, that's childish.
Everyone head to Hagrid's hut and gather outside, once most of the characters are there I will have Hagrid come out of his cozy hut and take ya all to meet his new creature.
Ryan Hallow
It was like a dim light had a brief pump in his cold heart when she thanked him for his compliment, he rarely noticed people to even compliment them. He wasn't rude, but he just opted to avoid people. When she smiled, Ryan gasped then smiled back. His book probably already fell beneath the bench or way down under the stand, for a brief moment he didn't really care about Newt Scamander, or fantastic beasts, or reading. Just the sight of Elizabeth.
It was brief though, for as soon as he wanted to utter another round of words she saluted him and soared away to her teammates. Ryan clenched backwards a bit, as he was going to bow down and grab his book, she stopped and hovered, waving both hands and smiling. He smiled back with a wider grin.
"Bloody hell.."
Ryan grabbed his book from underneath the bench, then took his broom and kicked it, he flew out of the stand and out into the field. He hadn't got enough of the girl yet, he was curious, he was different, for the first time- he was warm, He gently soared towards Elizabeth and her teammates, his book tugged in his robe. When he was close he slowly hovered then greeted the lot. He smiled at Tessa, then waited until the girls were done talking. He awkwardly waited for a window to speak to Elizabeth. When it was present, the chance, he opened his mouth and spontaneously said,
"I'm..I'm Ryan. Rayn Roderick Hallow. I hope I'm not interrupting your game-" he gasped a chuckle, "what am I saying? I already did." He chuckled, then proceeded, "I'm going to Hagrid's class that's about to start in a few minutes. I was wondering if you want to come along, you and I could- I mean we all could go together." Then he paused, he never spoke this way since his early days at Hogwarts. Still hovering.
It was like a dim light had a brief pump in his cold heart when she thanked him for his compliment, he rarely noticed people to even compliment them. He wasn't rude, but he just opted to avoid people. When she smiled, Ryan gasped then smiled back. His book probably already fell beneath the bench or way down under the stand, for a brief moment he didn't really care about Newt Scamander, or fantastic beasts, or reading. Just the sight of Elizabeth.
It was brief though, for as soon as he wanted to utter another round of words she saluted him and soared away to her teammates. Ryan clenched backwards a bit, as he was going to bow down and grab his book, she stopped and hovered, waving both hands and smiling. He smiled back with a wider grin.
"Bloody hell.."
Ryan grabbed his book from underneath the bench, then took his broom and kicked it, he flew out of the stand and out into the field. He hadn't got enough of the girl yet, he was curious, he was different, for the first time- he was warm, He gently soared towards Elizabeth and her teammates, his book tugged in his robe. When he was close he slowly hovered then greeted the lot. He smiled at Tessa, then waited until the girls were done talking. He awkwardly waited for a window to speak to Elizabeth. When it was present, the chance, he opened his mouth and spontaneously said,
"I'm..I'm Ryan. Rayn Roderick Hallow. I hope I'm not interrupting your game-" he gasped a chuckle, "what am I saying? I already did." He chuckled, then proceeded, "I'm going to Hagrid's class that's about to start in a few minutes. I was wondering if you want to come along, you and I could- I mean we all could go together." Then he paused, he never spoke this way since his early days at Hogwarts. Still hovering.
Ryan Hallow
Quidditch pitch, Hogwarts Castle grounds.
6:00 A.M.
Ryan was sitting on the benches atop one of the Ravenclaw stands in the Quidditch pitch, he was sitting here early as he wanted to get the view of the sun rising behind the castle. He had slept for a few hours before coming out here to have the morning dew and chill breeze, it was somewhat foggy and dark before the sun slowly rose. In his hands was a book he had taken from the library,
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them by Newt Scamander.
He has read about a couple chapters before he closed the book, one hand bookmarking where he stopped, he instead wanted to rest his eyes and enjoy the view. As the sky slowly started changing hue, Ryan started to recollect his first night at Hogwarts.
He alongside other first years where excited to be distributed to the four houses, the sorting hat was quickly sorting the eager students into their houses. This year it seems most of the sorting hat's pickings were satisfactory to the respective students. Nobody complained. When it was Ryan's turn and the sorting hat was put on his head he got a bit nervous, afraid that'd he be thrown into anything but Ravenclaw. But he was fine with Gryffindor . The sorting hat didn't take long as it yelled, "RAVENCLAW!"
The night was followed by good and friendly introductions from his housemates, friends he no longer hangs out with.
It was some time before Ryan could spot anyone around the premises, he only saw the distant figure of a student flying on a broomstick, making rounds about the castle grounds then rushing into the castle. Ryan swore he recognized the student as none other than James MacFusty, he had numerous classes with him but they didn't interact much, just the usual smiles. Later after the sun rose and the pitch was filled with beautiful rays of sunlight, Ryan noticed a group of Hufflepuff students getting into the pitch. They kicked their brooms, threw the Quaffle and began their training session, seemed more like playful competition to Ryan.
He recognized Jasper, Tessa Goffe, and the one that caught his attention most, Elizabeth Grace Fontaine. She was a sixth year student just as him, he gasped and almost dropped his book between the cracks in the boarding. He recovered then leaned forward gently as he watched both girls go at each other in an intense yet playful match. The air was cool. It hadn't been long before the Quaffle was thrown again close to his stand and Elizabeth caught it, only now did she notice someone was in the pitch. A lone audience. When his gaze crossed hers as she flew brilliantly on her broomstick quite close to his booth, he gasped again then quickly adjusted to a smile.
"Good game."
Quidditch pitch, Hogwarts Castle grounds.
6:00 A.M.
Ryan was sitting on the benches atop one of the Ravenclaw stands in the Quidditch pitch, he was sitting here early as he wanted to get the view of the sun rising behind the castle. He had slept for a few hours before coming out here to have the morning dew and chill breeze, it was somewhat foggy and dark before the sun slowly rose. In his hands was a book he had taken from the library,
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them by Newt Scamander.
He has read about a couple chapters before he closed the book, one hand bookmarking where he stopped, he instead wanted to rest his eyes and enjoy the view. As the sky slowly started changing hue, Ryan started to recollect his first night at Hogwarts.
He alongside other first years where excited to be distributed to the four houses, the sorting hat was quickly sorting the eager students into their houses. This year it seems most of the sorting hat's pickings were satisfactory to the respective students. Nobody complained. When it was Ryan's turn and the sorting hat was put on his head he got a bit nervous, afraid that'd he be thrown into anything but Ravenclaw. But he was fine with Gryffindor . The sorting hat didn't take long as it yelled, "RAVENCLAW!"
The night was followed by good and friendly introductions from his housemates, friends he no longer hangs out with.
It was some time before Ryan could spot anyone around the premises, he only saw the distant figure of a student flying on a broomstick, making rounds about the castle grounds then rushing into the castle. Ryan swore he recognized the student as none other than James MacFusty, he had numerous classes with him but they didn't interact much, just the usual smiles. Later after the sun rose and the pitch was filled with beautiful rays of sunlight, Ryan noticed a group of Hufflepuff students getting into the pitch. They kicked their brooms, threw the Quaffle and began their training session, seemed more like playful competition to Ryan.
He recognized Jasper, Tessa Goffe, and the one that caught his attention most, Elizabeth Grace Fontaine. She was a sixth year student just as him, he gasped and almost dropped his book between the cracks in the boarding. He recovered then leaned forward gently as he watched both girls go at each other in an intense yet playful match. The air was cool. It hadn't been long before the Quaffle was thrown again close to his stand and Elizabeth caught it, only now did she notice someone was in the pitch. A lone audience. When his gaze crossed hers as she flew brilliantly on her broomstick quite close to his booth, he gasped again then quickly adjusted to a smile.
"Good game."
Full Name: Ryan Roderick Hallow
Age: 16
Blood: Pure Blood
Alignment: Neutral
House: Ravenclaw
Personality: Ryan at his very core is a kind and selfless person, but on the surface he wears a cold person and face to avoid warm interactions with other people. He is not arrogant though, even though he is a Pure Blood, he still treats all people the same. He just avoids throwing himself at others and being the one to offer an extended arm, or a compliment. He is very mild and simple, but usually he is busy zoning out as his head starts to light ablaze with emotions and ideas. He is in a sense quite the thinker.
But when he engages in an interaction he is comfortable with, he will give more input than usual, and come out of his coldness and shyness. He has a charming and light-hearted smile that gets most of the fifth and sixth year girls. Though his seemingly cool character sounds perfect, there is something about him that others hate, and he himself couldn't fight to change: Ignoring others after eventually losing attention or interest in them, this caused him to have very few friends and classmates.
Bio\History: Ryan was born to a British father and an Irish mother, both were esteemed rich Ravenclaw wizards that had wizardry business around Europe. They usually were too busy to be there for him during his early childhood, so he spent most his time with his mother's muggle half-sister. Ryan was raised by his aunt for most of his early years, she was kind. And as he grew his parents slowly told him about his world and kind. He was given books on basic Magic history and start ups to get him ready for his future at a wizardry school. When he turned eleven he received his letter from Hogwarts, and his parents couldn't help but rejoice. It was the finest school in the world.
He said his goodbyes to his Aunt who passed away during his third year, and went with his parents to Diagon Alley to buy his uniform, wand and pet. He had good years at Hogwarts, befriending a few students from his house, but they eventually left him after his personality slowly changed to that of a cold boy. Ryan excelled at the defense against the dark arts and care for magical creatures, he also had a certain admiration to reading. He'd usually stroll the library for new books to digest. Now it is his sixth year at Hogwarts, and it doesn't seem any different than the last.
Appearance:
Notable skills: Defense against the dark arts, care for magical creatures, observation and pattern analysis.
Wand: Mahagony, dragon heartstring, 11,5 inches.
Patronus Charm: A wolf
Pet:
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Innue said
I question if a singular person can really be blamed for writing poorly and killing the roleplay.I think a lot of getting off the ground is trying to balance player expectations from the interest check with the actual play in the in character. It isn't likely 'subpar' writing killing it, but the expectation not meeting up with the play.I also see that a lot of 'unique concepts' aren't formed well enough before they start and that causes a lot of issues with them. Too often I see people jump in and rush their 'original concept' and that is what kills it. Ideas often need an extra amount of time to flesh out than people give them to really make them as compelling as the initial synaptic firing.
I didn't really mean to put the blame of an RP's death on the poor writing of a single player/writer. If my post sounded that way, I am sorry, but that is not what I meant. A player or two, in general enough players with bad writing to ruin an RP (Bad whether on the errors in their writing, or simply ruining the story flaw or consistency.)
Innue said
I feel the need to also point out that I've read through a few of your posts, especially since you seem to span multiple realms (Free to High Casual). How are some of your posts in free classified as adhering to the quality you want others to abide by - else get blamed for killing the roleplay? I would like to point out that while there is nothing wrong with those posts, and that it is an extremely valid way to roleplay, but they do not align with my expectations after your rant. At a certain level, writing is subjective in terms of quality. If someone is not participating in a manner that the thread finds productive, there are ways to deal with it. I would challenge you to find me an example where writing quality of a singular individual on a thread is the reason it failed.
Again I didn't really mean to emphasize the point that ONE player can affect the life of an RP, I'm saying in general. Also I never belittled other forms of RP like free, say, so my participation in Free RP's doesn't contradict anything. I simply join those for entertainment purposes, and change of pace. Again I point I didn't rule out that RPs should be for entertainment, I just said they should be more literary and creative than a half developed hobby, that sounded elitist again, crap.
@Pachamac
Yes it did sound like an elitist post, but I can assure it wasn't. I'm not saying RP as a form of entertainment is bad or negative, I actually roleplay in some free RP's as sort of escapism from the much serious and well written casual or high casual RPs. I don't consider myself an elitist in this matter, I don't even consider myself that good a writer anyway, don't take it as some cocky rant. It wasn't. (If it sounded that way, again, sorry, lack of proper emoticons whatever.)
@Prince You made some valid points there, and I did have a not so right an opinion. I guess I wasn't thinking much when I ranted it out. It is indeed foolish to consider RP a merely serious literary medium and not a form of entertainment. Should have made my rant better written to express my actual opinions. I just wanted to complain about careless uninspiring writings, which I dubbed mediocre. Again to prove I'm not really an elitist, I don't really see myself as that good a writer, I'm just aware of what is good and what is not, at least to some agreeable extent. Shortly put, you were somewhat right in proving my somewhat false opinions, but I still care most about better writing in RPs.
Tuujaimaa said
I, personally, question the validity of a point regarding an "ambitious original RP with new and inspiring premise," of someone whose current RP is named "Hogwarts: Legacy of Lord Voldemort".But that's just me. #Elitist
Ops. Though I'd prefer if the focus of the discussion was more on the subject than actually finding ways to chop me in ten different ways lol. I feel like posting a topic here and ranting out loud is like putting yourself on the chopping block. Also just because I appreciate and call for original inspiring RPs, doesn't forbid me from making or participating in fandom RPs. It doesn't contradict my opinions if I made a Fandom RP. I dunno, I am anything but an elitist.
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