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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Even before that though, I was looking for documented examples of it actually happening and I found three. And in two of them, the person got to come in anyway after a brief (but wildly offensive) forced-absence, and in the third case it wasn't someone on their deathbed but someone with a fever.

My point being, you know, Democrats used to string black people up from trees and light them on fire. PERSPECTIVE. A little bit of perspective here. It's not so bad these days, really.

@mdk

It's almost like political parties changed ideologies at some post in time. Also, I fucking hate that argument that because things aren't as bad that you shouldn't complain. "Sure you can be fired for being gay or transgender in the US and we're constantly trying to limit your rights to adopt and to scapegoat trans people as pedophiles and force them to use the bathroom their genetalia corresponds to, despite the fact that this won't limit sexual assault and is more likely to cause trans people to be assaulted themselves! But hey! We're not killing you like in the Middle East."

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@The Harbinger of Ferocity
outandequal.org/2017-workplace-equali… This is already in draft, but in 28 states, one can be fired for being gay or trans.

South Dakota passed a law allowing foster and adoption agencies that receive state funding to reject LGBT parents in grounds of religious objection.

hrc.org/blog/100-anti-lgbtq-bills-int… Here's a neatly compiled list with sources and explanation~

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@mdk I was grabbing them from my bookmarks, sorry. And generally when I bring up topics like that people tend to dismiss them as less common than other forms of discrimination or not indicative of a larger problem, so I figured I'd grab some scientific papers. Sigh.

Also, it was a thing only seven years ago. Seven. And some people are still complaining about it/want to reverse it. People in high positions of authority. You can still be fired for being gay or trans in 28 states as well, I believe.

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Hi my name is Gem and I'm a fuckin loser, also I'm 18, not 13

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stat.ucla.edu/~cochran/pdf/MentalHeal…
www2.psych.ubc.ca/~schaller/Psyc591Re…
npc.umich.edu/publications/workingpap…
Sorry about that, shouldn't have been so lazy and only used anecdotes. ^^

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@The Harbinger of Ferocity If people are going to label you a bigot or homophobe because you legitimately cannot use the terminology, Jesus that's stupid, as long as you're not discriminating against them who tf cares? That's just plain stupid, it's not like you're calling a trans woman "he" just to be an asshole.

And I can raise you non-anecdotal evidence as well, if we'd not like to trade stories. And mayhap I am more involved in the LGBT community than most, which does make me partial to our struggle. I guess for me the trials I've faced have made me more emotionally open than ever. I've been sexually assaulted, had my brother try to convince me I should kill myself and then taking matters into his own hands, been through varying foster homes who treated me as a paycheck, it's been fucking hard. I guess we kinda ended up on different sides of the spectrum, though. I'm not going to lie, part of my argument is--"but shouldn't you care?" No form of discrimination is right. If we change people's mind with empathy and facts before they start drafting laws which oppress, before people decide it's okay to assault someone for simply being who they are, then that might end up saving a lot of people from hatred and grief.

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@mdk I'm a disabled lesbian foster kid who lives in a homeless shelter~ And I'm not trying to best you out in "oppression points" or whatever (though I probably do lmao), what I was trying to say is that people are blatantly trying to deny the oppression which queer people face to a queer person. Love the ad hominem btw, I apologize if I've fucked us and gotten a bit salty in the past but I'm trying to argue mostly based on what we're saying.

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@Crusader Lord That is...a tad powerful. The general rule is don't go Madoka level or beyond. Perhaps take out the "unable to fall" part? Then you'd have a pretty damn powerful girl *and* she'd have a potential neato star theme. You'd probably have some manner of raw energy manipulation/special theme. References to stars and not falling, combined with your character's general poetic, grandiose nature would point to something like that~

If you want help fleshing this out I can PM you whenever!

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@Penny

In address prior to this current change of conversation.

I would not put the various choices of sexuality under the same scrutiny and social battle as segregation or its clearly related struggles of interracial marriage. That comparison is so far off in scope that to equate the two is to demean a huge number of people who had legitimate grievances and experienced actual suffering and legally backed discrimination, despite being no different than skin tone. Members who suffer from sexual dysphoria are not treated as some rate of second class citizens because of their condition or personal orientations; they receive the exact same treatment as anyone else across the board. It goes without saying that they can engage in their activities covertly while race, the very comparison this was made against, simply cannot.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

...what? I'm fairly certain the fact that my friend couldn't get married to her wife and thus couldn't see her when she was dying in the hospital is legally backed discrimination. The fact that she had to hide her lover from her entire family because she'd be disowned is generally kinda horrible, too. We aren't treated as second-class citizens because of our orientation or identity? Tell my girlfriend, who had her car fucked up by some guy because she's trans. To my friend who was kicked out of his house when his parents found out he had a boyfriend. To all the people who live with the knowledge that they're more likely to be the victims of violent crime or murder simply for existing as themselves. Maybe it's possible to hide, but I'd generally think that doesn't minimize nor invalidate the suffering. Try growing up gay in the Bible Belt. Telling the kid who hears they'll go to hell from their preacher or their dad tell them they'd kill their kid if they turned out gay. Nah, not persecuted based on orientation, not at all.

Sure, we queer folk might never be the majority, or even mainstream. Does that mean we do not deserve respect? 4 percent is still 4/100 people, roughly 280,000,000 people around the globe.

And I will gladly say I will not respect people who are discriminatory. You reject leftists for rejecting bigots, yet you reject the alt-right for being bigots? That's...a strange, strange philosophy, though I do guess you can only truly discriminate against race, right? Nothing else that's inborn and hurts nobody, yet still gets you discriminated against...

Oh, yeah, you used the word 'choices.' Because I so very much chose to be attracted to women, just like my girlfriend chose to have gender dysphoria. Unless you're saying that our choice is to act on our sexuality and we should force ourselves to live a life of celibacy/dysphoria unless we want to be ostracized.

(Edit: lol checking everyone's profiles I'm currently the only progressive around. Hope y'all have fun trying to convince a 18 year old lesbian that she doesn't deserve any legal protection/hasn't been legitimately discriminated against/etc. Meanwhile, I'mma use a combination of empathy and fact. :))