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I was thinking of creating a more "Traditional"/gamelike RP (somewhere) with actual rules and die rolling and whatnot.

The Plot for the RPG I had (it's a sci-fi fantasy hybrid) is that Earth's been destroyed, and humans colonized another world. The "Protagonistic" faction being a government known as Zion, which is currently fighting a anarchist cult known as ENIGMA (which also controls nearly all organized crime). The players are people caught up in this conflict (Zion police forces, mercenaries, citizens...possibly ENIGMA/gangsters if you want to be an antagonist) who have to go on quests and solve problems.


The ruleset I have is this:

Your character gets points to distribute to these stats:

Strength:
Stamina (determines HP):
Willpower (determines MP):
Agility:
Intelligence:
Dexterity:
Charisma:
Stealth:

Each stat has its uses, though in combat they take on special purposes. Every form of combat gives a stat these 3 roles:

-Speed Stat: Both fighters roll this before they attack during a single round. Determines who attacks first. If you roll a score that's a multiple of your opponent's speed score, you can attack them multiple times. For example, if your opponent rolls a 5, but you roll a 10, you can attack them twice before they get to attack that turn. If your opponent rolls a 5 and you get 15, you attack them 3 times.

-Power Stat: You roll this each turn to find out how much damage your attack does. The number you roll x the base damage of the weapon determines how much hurt you lay down.

-Technical Stat: Mostly used for regenerating MP, sometimes other purposes as well.


There's four modes of combat in this RP, and they are:

Melee (Close range weapons like clubs, blades and fists):
-Speed stat: Agility
-Power stat: Strength
-Technical stat: Dexterity (melee-users can also roll their technical stat against an incoming attack. Explained below)

Magic (Wands, staves, magic rings, that sort of thing):
-Speed stat: Dexterity
-Power stat: Intelligence
-Technical stat: Strength

Munitions (Guns and their ilk)
-Speed stat: Perception
-Power stat: Dexterity
-Technical stat: Intelligence

Monsters (summoning critters to defeat your enemies for you)
-Speed stat: Intelligence
-Power stat: Perception
-Technical Stat: Charisma
(Also, a summoned creature's HP is the same as the summoner's MP)

For example:

If a swordsman is fighting a mage (We'll assume both the sword and the wand have a base stats of 1):

Swordsman rolls agility: 7
Mage rolls dexterity: 8

The Mage gets to attack first.
Mage uses a telekenetic blast against the swordsman.

Mage rolls intelligence: 1 (He got unlucky)
Swordsman rolls dexterity: 5

The swordsman blocks the attack with his sword, but loses 1 MP as a result of this.
Now it's the swordsman's time to attack:

Swordsman rolls strength: 1 (also unlucky).
Mage loses 1 HP.
The cycle would repeat.



Dodging:
If you prefer to dodge than attack, you can roll your agility stat against the opponent's speed stat. For example:
A police officer fires his blaster pistol at a swordsman.

Police Officer rolls perception: 2
Swordsman rolls agility: 5
The swordsman managed to dodge that attack fairly well. He takes no damage this turn. The police officer cannot attack during the next turn (though he can dodge whatever counter you have planned, or hide)


Stealth:
If you'd like to hide, you can give up your chance to attack in order to see if you can hide. You roll your stealth against an opponent's perception. If your opponent rolls the same or higher than you, they can attack you, and you cannot counter. Otherwise, your character is hidden and cannot be attacked until they are found.
If you attack while hidden, the opponent cannot counter-attack, though you normally lose your hidden status.
In order to find a hidden person, you just roll your perception against their stealth again. If you fail this roll, you lose your ability to attack this turn. If you succeed your roll, you can attack them.
Magic Magnum said
What exactly would you consider as an example of an extreme atheist/atheist westboro then?


Atheists aren't usually organized well enough to form an organization like a "church" unless they're truly dedicated, BUUUUUT, in theory if they did, the organization would look like this: An atheistic organization that claims to believe that whatever problem of the day is somehow caused by religion, and would picket funerals of victims of tragedies and various religious authorities. They'd hold signs stating things like "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings".

Going more up the scale of violence, you'd get an organization which attempts to censor out any religious speech and execute the religious as dissidents. It would likely resemble the State from the Twilight Zone episode "The Obselete Man". Stalinists would be a real-life example of this line of thinking. It wasn't the only thing they wanted to do, but it was one of their plans to eliminate religion, by very brutal force if necessary.
Magic Magnum said
1. Gnosticism is definitely a role in it as far as things such as no science in schools, violence, child molesting etc. is concerned. But it's also an activity that you only see a spike in with Gnostic Theists, not Gnostic Atheists. Gnostic Atheists such as say Richard Dawkins might be seen as very cold and pessimistic people by much of the population mind you (I'm not one of them, but I'm aware that it's a common opinion about them), but are by no means responsible for such barbaric crimes.But in regards to Agnostic Theism then? Yes, they are pretty much innocent of most of the bigger crimes and accusations of religion. Unless if they start taking stances such as "You can criticize someone's religion", which is what a lot of them have been doing. They use the reasoning that "Most of us aren't murderers, so stop attacking people for their religion and allow religious freedom with criticism" which is a fine idea in theory. But it comes with three main problems:
a) Those Gnostic's are doing it largely because of religion. So by expecting people to stop criticizing the religion they essentially give such extremists a shield/scapegoat. All they need to do is go "We kill these child in the name of God!", and now that they're pulling the religion card they become untouchable and a direct result of the actions done by Agnostic Theists.
b) It makes it so believing something without any evidence is now acceptable. It is essentially no different than someone going "I believe we are all created by a floating teapot owned by a Spaghetti Monster and was born from a virgin invisible pink unicorn" and legally no one would be allowed to step up and say "I find that wrong, and the idea rather silly", which leads me to the third point:
c) It removes freedom of speech/criticism. As soon as you make anything immune to criticism, freedom of speech is lost. Ideas and practices are allowed to spread unchallenged, and the results of such can be disastrous. And I will note, science and atheism is not immune to criticism. It is allowed to critique, questioning, doubt etc. In fact in regards to science students are encouraged to question and doubt things, and to go out and seek more answers and evidence.


Richard Dawkins is a bit of a milder example of what I'm talking about when I say that Atheists (of a certain stripe, namely those that believe religion is harmful outside of just being incorrect) tend to fall into the same traps as Religious "Fundamentalists" (technically not a correct usage of the term. But religious extremists of varying levels of aggressiveness). He's not the Atheist Westburo (He has yet to picket a funeral, for example), though he comes pretty close to what they would sound like in theory.
Out in front of the gate comes a large transport rover. There is a driver's seat, but no driver-it's all on autopilot.
The machine looks similar to a cross between a dune buggy and a lunar rover. It's pulling a cart that has a few chairs on it, allowing it to carry multiple individuals.

A radio on the machine speaks. "Alright, hop on. We shouldn't keep the mining colony waiting."
There's at least 3 of us here.
There are various disorganized pockets of resistance here and there. Our job will mostly be to find organizations that aren't in league with the Anti-Christ's regime and get them to provide services for the resistance.

For example, their might be a group of defectors from Delmore's police forces, who we might want to track down and recruit. Another thing I have planned is an organization called Galt Corporation, which fears some aspects of Delmore's influence and is willing to give us assets under the table.
I'm going to bump this, so that more can see.
Magic Magnum said 2. There are cases of Christians who completely dismiss the Bible mind you. So although Christianity and Marxism may be a contradiction, there are contradictions in religion all the time. It's not going to stop someone to adopt a political view that conflicts with their religion. Though granted these are in most cases the Agnostic Theists I described above, this is far less likely to happen with a Gnostic.


1. Fair enough. But then, wouldn't it not be the fault of religion, but rather gnosticism?

As for statement 2. though, I would say that completely dismissing the bible would make you more or less non-Christian. Depending on what you mean by dismissing the bible. While it's not quite the core of Christian beliefs, a Christian can more or less be considered someone who basically accepts the bible as (in some fashion) true. If somebody were to believe that the bible should be completely ignored, then they are not Christians by definition. It's not so much that I think you can't be a Communist Christian, but a Christian wouldn't be a Marxist.
Magic Magnum said 1. Oh yea, Atheism is facing division (Oddly enough, considering atheism simply means without religion. So it should be impossible to divide a non-existent) as a result of Atheism+.Apparently feminism has learned the secret's of dividing 0.

:/2. Though once again, one can be Christian and still a communist. Which granted is suicidal if Stalin or Mao is in charge, could be completely different if a Christian were to made head. The difference between Stalin and Osama is that Stalin did it in the name of Communism/Personal power and authority, political motivation. Osama did it in the same of his religion and anger at America for getting involved in their business. A combination of political and religious motivation. Now, Stalin being an atheist and being responsible for so many deaths does beyond a doubt prove that atheists are capable of great violent crimes (which I was never arguing against btw). But it does not prove that him being an atheist was the reasoning or cause for it, especially considering many atheists were also killed by him.Though everyone being Catholic would not quite solve most problems with religion. Cause people will get personal interpretations of it all the time, which would eventually evolve into a religion of it's own against and then we'd be back where we started.Also I will admit that there are many atheists who claim moral superiority simply on the fact they are atheist, but I am not one of those atheist. I might agree that on average atheists may be more moral simply because their values come from themselves, and not out of a fear in God. But there is nothing that automatically makes one more immoral for being religious, you can be religious and still be one of the most kind, caring and wonderful people in the world. It's like saying "Atheists on average have a higher IQ. Therefore I, an atheists are automatically smarter than you a Christian". An average is strictly that, an average. Not an absolute guarantee/law that holds true 100% of the time.And to answer "Why do people do good things in the name of Religion but not in the name of atheism?". That's because atheism is the lack of a religion, there is nothing to praise, nothing to do anything in the name of. For example, let's take a church and a group of people who all happen to be atheist. But groups see a high amount of homeless people in the area, both groups want to help. The atheist group then goes ahead, makes a charity and works to help feed and shelter the poor. The Church, also being good peoples does the same. But the Church believes in good, part of their religion is spreading Gods word through good deeds, so while they are helping the poor they make sure to advertise their God and Religion. Something the atheists are not doing, because they have no God or Religion to be advertising. It's not a matter of there are no atheist charities because atheists don't volunteer. It's a matter of atheists have no need to spread the word of "I lack a religion" around, so they simply go out and help without bringing religion into it.


1. I like to think of Atheism as a type of belief system. For example, Polytheism, Monotheism, Atheism. It has its own groups that can be divided as Christianity and Islam. I wouldn't say that Atheism itself is a lack of beliefs per say. That would make one an agnostic, not an Atheist. An Atheist has to actively believe in no God. The common counter-argument is that Stamp Collecting isn't a hobby. However, what you do instead of collecting stamps is. If all you do in your free time is lay on the couch, then you still have a hobby that amounts to doing as little as possible. Atheism refers to an umbrella of things that can be called religions that lack a central deity.

2. I'm misusing the term Communist somewhat, I should be using the term "Marxist". Whatever anyone else tells you, it would likely not be heretical to support an economic system where all wealth is controlled by the state, though it might not be intuitive, either. However, being being a Christian Marxist is impossible, for similar reasons that one cannot be a Christian Objectivist. It's an axiom of Marxism that God does not exist,
Awesome. Bonus points to anyone who knows how I came up with the name "Adrian Delmore".
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