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Yer good then.

@Dinh AaronMk

Sexcellent. ( ° ͡ ͜ʖ° ͡ ) Hopefully, I should have the first post for Mexico done before the night is over. On a side note, I've decided to start a little modding project in Civ V for the PoW nations. So far, I've started on Spain, China, Ethiopia, and Canada, and have jotted down concepts for the Russian Republic, Britain, and the US. It shouldn't be done too soon, but I do intend to finish it.

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Alright, fair enough. Let me resubmit this sheet (edits are in bold): Nation: La República de México Leader: Presidente-electo Hernando Estevez History: The country of Mexico gained it's independence after being established as a Spanish colony under the name "New Spain" in 1820, when Spanish general Agustin de Iturbide aided Mexican revolutionaries against the colonial masters of the region. Almost immediately after achieving independence, de Iturbide proclaimed himself emperor of all Mexico--until three years later, when he was ousted. Thus a representative government was established in Central America. Soon after, the Mexican government abolished slavery within their borders in 1829. In 1833, General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was made President after defeating the leader of a coup d'etat. This, however, only resulted in him consolidating power to form a much more centralized government. After he installed a new constitution, many rebellions began to appear across the country, one of which was the Republic of Texas. After losing the Texan Independence war, Santa Anna returned back to Mexico City, only to find that a new government had established itself and ousted him. Santa Anna then regained power after battling a French invasion force, then became President once more. He was then thrown out again when economic turmoil struck the country, and then oversaw the US-Mexican war, as the United States had begun to annex Texas into their own borders. The war ended with Texas remaining in the US (up until the American Civil war), Mexico losing half of it's territory, and Santa Anna losing his presidency again. He later regained the position briefly in 1853, then lost it in 1855 as his last remaining supporters dropped any and all support for the corrupt autocrat. Mexico then returned to a federal republic under President Benito Juarez, who initiated several liberal reforms. However, the conservatives in the government refused to recognize them, and thus the so-called Reform war began, until finally Juarez and the liberals prevailed as the victors of the conflict. The conservatives were not finished, however; the French intervention in 1864 saw the installment of a monarch, Archduke Ferdinand Maximillian of Austria, as the head of a new imperial ally. This did not last long, however, and in 1867, he was overthrown and executed. Yet again, the country returned to representationalism as a republic, and thus President Porfirio Diaz was elected. He continued to become elected for five consecutive times, until the events of 1910 struck. Diaz held another election, running for a sixth term despite his very old age. He imprisoned a few opponents and declared that he had unanimously won the race. This was obviously not true, as a large portion of the vote had gone to jailed candidate Francisco I. Madero. Riots began to crop up across the nation, and Madero escaped prison to form an army to take down Diaz's regime. A swift war was waged between Madero's revolutionaries and Diaz's old generals, until finally Diaz resigned in 1911 and exiled himself to France where he later died. This peace did not last, however, as Madero was assassinated two years later in a coup d'etat. The new government refused to take entry in the Great War, recognizing both the danger of pulling in the United States (which fortunately did not enter the nightmarish conflict either) and the horrors the war had already seen. In 1926, the country was engulfed in a religious war known as the Cristero war over the mistreatment of Catholics by the secular government. It ended in 1929 when American ambassador to Mexico Dwight Morrow arranged a peace between the Cristeros and the Mexican government. However, local authorities continued to find ways to enforce the oppression of Catholics in some way or another. Over the next four decades, Mexico gained some economic growth, though it did face quite a bit of hardship in the deep economic depression that struck after the Great War. By 1970, it was one of the biggest economies in North America, save for Canada and the US. [Removed section referencing the RNF.] In the following years, the rise of the Nuevo Partido Comunista de Mexico began to challenge the sole governing party, the Partido Revolucionario Institucional, which would finally begin to decline in the face of growing communist desires. Eventually, the government made a compromise in order to keep their domination of congress: they would begin to implement socialist reforms. A planned economy would be set up, and certain institutions and firms would be nationalized. Not only that, but they chose to join the Third International, though it was a rather controversial move. This was enough to keep them in control of the government...but for how long is unknown.

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Alright Revan, Byrd got back from his second shift and we were able to go through it. Firstly: The depression of the twenties would have still been a thing from America. American over-mass production coupled with the end of the Great War would have caused the world economy to pop like a bubble, more so than it did. And if the US in its current lore had wide-spread economic troubles than Mexico for sure could not have weathered the economic storm with only a few recessions along the way. They would have suffered in the post-war years with everyone, trying to stay afloat in a market flooded with resources and materials intended for use in Europe and the battle front. But with no more war all those raw materials and other supplies joined an over abundance of everything to further crash the world's banks. So no, you can't have weathered economic depressions. Mexico can still be a decent economy, but not the regional best when dealing with America. This carries to second point sort of, where Mexico then shouldn't be strong enough to deal with Florida. But it wasn't really Florida, it was the deep south in general. Byrd made the point to say as well that Mexico involving itself in US affairs would be an invitation for the US to later involve itself in Mexican affairs more seriously. It's not really a thing nations do. Not to mention they wouldn't really be a big enough power to make anything out of it. So none of that. Of minor note too was the Catholic uprising. Byrd's fine with the American involvement as it is. Though he also added that they probably would have carried out minor expeditions into Mexico like they did when chasing down Pancho Villa. But it wouldn't have been serious. And as a reminder: Mexico joined the Third International alongside the US. Although the US got kicked out for annexing the Cascades territory Mexico remains. Just a something. This was also carried out in witness by Mihn. The post-war depression bit is about old enough now to not matter in the current time-frame. But if it's going to factor in the application then it needs to come up.

@Dinh AaronMk

Alright, all of this is fair and good. On the matter of the Great Depression, I assumed it never happened not because I didn't see any mention of it, but because I didn't see any major effects surrounding it. I did not see any major wars, revolutions, or extreme changes that one would expect to result from economic hardship, such as the rise of fascism in Europe after the Great Depression irl. There was quite a lot of mention of these changes in post-war economies like Britain and France, but that was a result of the huge war that had struck the nations, not the depressed trough out of recurring booms and recessions. That's not to say that I don't think there should be any culling of the Great Depression. Like you said, it was so long ago that it doesn't seem to matter anymore, other than the purpose of lore. For Mexico's economy in general, I suggested that it was only one of the best in comparison with most others in North America. That's not to say that it is the best, as there's still the US and Canada ahead of it by a longshot--but perhaps I should have clarified that. Another thing I should mention is the fact that after Canada's invasions and the split of Florida from the Union, both Canada's and the US's economies should have been focused on war production, making Mexico probably a bigger producer of regular goods and services in the region, though again not necessarily moreso than the other two. Concerning the invasion of Florida, cool. I didn't event think it was that big of an involvement to make mention originally, but then I decided on bringing it up because it was on the wiki. Then again, there's a lot of shit in there that needs to be rewritten at some point. I gots to sleep tonight, but I'll have a rewritten sheet with those minor edits tomorrow.

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Nah. Polekraine is a thing.

@Pepperm1nts

Yea, it's gotta stay a thing at this point.

@Dinh AaronMk

POLAN CAN INTO STRONK UNION WITH UKRAINE Also, any word on the lore discussion/changes for North America?

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I love it that everyone is coming back and posting. It motivates me so much and reminds me of the old days. Thanks, everyone who's returned in the last week and I hope you all stick around for the future habbenings.

@Chapatrap

Yeah, you can punish thank Mihn for bringing me back in. In all honesty, I'm glad to be back so I can annoy everyone. It really has been an honour to help expand an contribute to this amazing story, even if it's been in a mostly negative fashion. What's more, this series has helped me to further develop as an author. And this time, I think I'll enjoy telling the story of Mexico once Aaron and friends finally decide on the lore for North America.

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I passed your app by Vilage, Revan and I think we prodded out a few inconsistencies with the lore. I just need to get with Byrd to figure out at what level of re-writing we're going at and figure some stuff out so we have a consistent lore there. So it'll be a while.

@Dinh AaronMk

Alright, I can wait. I pretty much just mostly jotted down irl Mexican history for the first half, then put down a few bits here and there from the Mexico page on the wiki. My guess was that most of it was established history that shouldn't need to be re-written, save for some non-canon bits, such as the USSA being inspiration for the Nuevo Partido Comunista de Mexico. Firstly, I left Mexico out of the Great War because they did so irl, and most of the New World in PoW already remained neutral, including the US. As for the years after, I pretty much assumed that Mexico's economy was on the rise, as there was no Great Depression, though it's status among the other North American economies can be changed. The other thing I wasn't too sure about was the invasion of the RNF by Mexico. That, however, was minor enough to where it can easily be changed if made non-canon. You guys just go ahead and figure out the lore for NA.

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Can I switch sides?

@Wilted Rose

Such is the Italian way.

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Serbia's your buddy now, as part of the Iberian League. So you both lookin' to get slapped.

@Pepperm1nts

I aren't Serbia's buddy. I aren't joining the Iberian League anytime soon.

@Rare

OOOOOOOOOH LADIES AND GENTLEMEN LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A GOOD OL' FASHIONED EUROPEAN BATTLE ROYALE GRAB YOUR POPCORN AND YOUR CHEMICAL WEAPONS BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA GET MESSY

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Concerning individual characters, I'd already assumed if they were from your country, it was okay. I was just unaware of the current status of foreign characters, but now that I have that clarification, I'll stay away from it until they're given the green light--and even then, I probably won't make one.

The best course of action is to pick a relatively small state that isn't very involved and see what you can do with it. This is the success story that Spain, Ethiopia, Armenia, and Persia all seemed to have followed. Big nations tend to overwhelm, and nations that are already involved tend to cut down on creative control. In this way, Mexico isn't a bad choice.

@Vilageidiotx

That's why I picked them :) Nation: La República de México Leader: Presidente-electo Hernando Estevez History: The country of Mexico gained it's independence after being established as a Spanish colony under the name "New Spain" in 1820, when Spanish general Agustin de Iturbide aided Mexican revolutionaries against the colonial masters of the region. Almost immediately after achieving independence, de Iturbide proclaimed himself emperor of all Mexico--until three years later, when he was ousted. Thus a representative government was established in Central America. Soon after, the Mexican government abolished slavery within their borders in 1829. In 1833, General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was made President after defeating the leader of a coup d'etat. This, however, only resulted in him consolidating power to form a much more centralized government. After he installed a new constitution, many rebellions began to appear across the country, one of which was the Republic of Texas. After losing the Texan Independence war, Santa Anna returned back to Mexico City, only to find that a new government had established itself and ousted him. Santa Anna then regained power after battling a French invasion force, then became President once more. He was then thrown out again when economic turmoil struck the country, and then oversaw the US-Mexican war, as the United States had begun to annex Texas into their own borders. The war ended with Texas remaining in the US (up until the American Civil war), Mexico losing half of it's territory, and Santa Anna losing his presidency again. He later regained the position briefly in 1853, then lost it in 1855 as his last remaining supporters dropped any and all support for the corrupt autocrat. Mexico then returned to a federal republic under President Benito Juarez, who initiated several liberal reforms. However, the conservatives in the government refused to recognize them, and thus the so-called Reform war began, until finally Juarez and the liberals prevailed as the victors of the conflict. The conservatives were not finished, however; the French intervention in 1864 saw the installment of a monarch, Archduke Ferdinand Maximillian of Austria, as the head of a new imperial ally. This did not last long, however, and in 1867, he was overthrown and executed. Yet again, the country returned to representationalism as a republic, and thus President Porfirio Diaz was elected. He continued to become elected for five consecutive times, until the events of 1910 struck. Diaz held another election, running for a sixth term despite his very old age. He imprisoned a few opponents and declared that he had unanimously won the race. This was obviously not true, as a large portion of the vote had gone to jailed candidate Francisco I. Madero. Riots began to crop up across the nation, and Madero escaped prison to form an army to take down Diaz's regime. A swift war was waged between Madero's revolutionaries and Diaz's old generals, until finally Diaz resigned in 1911 and exiled himself to France where he later died. This peace did not last, however, as Madero was assassinated two years later in a coup d'etat. The new government refused to take entry in the Great War, recognizing both the danger of pulling in the United States (which fortunately did not enter the nightmarish conflict either) and the horrors the war had already seen. In 1926, the country was engulfed in a religious war known as the Cristero war over the mistreatment of Catholics by the secular government. It ended in 1929 when American ambassador to Mexico Dwight Morrow arranged a peace between the Cristeros and the Mexican government. However, local authorities continued to find ways to enforce the oppression of Catholics in some way or another. Over the next four decades, Mexico gained some serious economic growth, unhindered by any economic depressions and only the occasional recession. By 1970, it was one of the biggest economies in North America, and perhaps the biggest in central america. During this time, they briefly launched an invasion of the RNF, which collapsed later that year. In the following years, the rise of the Nuevo Partido Comunista de Mexico began to challenge the sole governing party, the Partido Revolucionario Institucional, which would finally begin to decline in the face of growing communist desires. Eventually, the government made a compromise in order to keep their domination of congress: they would begin to implement socialist reforms. A planned economy would be set up, and certain institutions and firms would be nationalized. This was enough to keep them in control of the government...but for how long is unknown. And there you have it! My sheet for Mexico.

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I have heard tales of an "outside". No air conditioning, no beds...no internet...it frightens me. Let's hope I never have to face this strange "outside" in my life.

As long as you don't try to get Central American countries into the Third International we can have a begrudging peace. Otherwise, though, it's on.

@Mihndar

BRING IT ON YOU BRAZILIAN PIGS But seriously though, like Aaron said, the Third International apparently doesn't have much interest in North American affairs. Odds are, if any sort of alliance is formed between Mexico and Central American countries, it'll probably be unrelated to the Third International. It's most likely going to be an economic alliance or a defensive pact, if anything happens at all. Plus, keep in mind what the US might do if more of their neighbours went red. ;)

@Space Communist

Well not entirely. The International is a choir of multiple voices so if they see something that might be done abroad they may just summon in everyone and talk about it. You're representatives will also probably end up getting a summons to the headquarters when certain events finish up.

@Dinh AaronMk

I figured as much. My assumption was made on the basis that the major countries in the Third International are mainly Asian and are therefore focused on Asian affairs, leaving those of the New World not touched upon as often. Also, if I may ask: may we also play as an individual character? I've always wanted to try it, but admittedly I've never known if that was available f you already had a nation.