VKAllen

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Ethos: Alignment
Logos: Action depending on alignment
Pathos: Consequence of Action.

@Sionnie

Did you even take an argument class?
Ethos: An argument based on Ethical values. (such as the rules or laws.)
Logos: An argument based on Logical values.
Pathos: An argument based on emotional values.
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No.

By this logic; do you need a class in DnD to play DnD?

No.

We can throw as much hypothetical scenarios as you want, but logic dictates that they are invalid. You would have to re-work fundamental laws in society and social norms. If you have a hypothetical scenario that does not change this, then the hypothetical scenario is false and invalid.

EDIT:

In my opinion, creating hypothetical situations for the sake of seeing what happens is folly. Why worry if we are not facing that situation.

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Sigh.. I give, You are arguing on Ethos only.. I am arguing on Ethos/Logos/Pathos.. There is no longer point in an argument if you refuse to use Logos. and you do not understand the word Hypothetical. sorry.

@Sionnie

I believe you do not understand how such a hypothetical situation is hugely not in your favour. You cannot simply state a hypothetical situation when a person already has a set of moral codes that they would not break. Simply stating that if they hypothetically broke that rule, then they in this hypothetical situation were never lawful good. The fact that Galawayn is lawful good invalidates that situation. This is not just ethos, this is ethos, logos and pathos.

Ethos: Alignment
Logos: Action depending on alignment
Pathos: Consequence of Action.

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Fine if he follows his alignment yes he would never do that. However i restate that the alignment plays no valid pert in the Hypothetical situation because it is only taking in to account that he would have already cast the spell regardless of his alignment. A hypothetical argument is never based on what Would happen as a hole but rather focuses on a singular if even improbable event for the argument. Also good point on the authorities.. I'll make sure to sit near a fire place.. :)

@Sionnie

This is laughable.

I will state again;

A character's alignment DICTATES the character's action.

If he attacks, he is Chaotic Good.

If he does not and refers to authority; he is lawful good.

If he has hypothetically shot a bolt of lightning, then he was never Lawful Good in the first place; which invalidates the hypothetical argument.

Your character is simply playing chaotic neutral at the moment.

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I am sure but the argument is not based on whether he would but rather if he hypothetically did. @VKAllen so though i have faith that he will make the wise choice. the discussion was based of his remark on using and electric spell against sionnie in the tavern. so it matters not his alignment if he did it anyways. lol

@Sionnie

Even if he hypothethically fired a round of electricity, he hypothetically would be against his alignment. If he chooses to live up to his alignment, then he would not in the first place. In otherwords, he would not regardless of condition because of his alignment. He would rather seek help from the authorities.

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and can he prove his alignment in game.. We are all new in town with no connections here. Therefor anyone's word is as good as the other... people will base thing on what they saw and if he chose to use and attack spell in such a dence crowd, than to most people's witness they say a maddened Gnome mage strike an innicent Tiefling. I am not wearing a badge that says thief and no one saw me steal his book. not on the rolls i had. That would no be right on an unmodded 19. All i do is play the poor victim and he takes the blame. We have no reputation here and sionnie does not go around telling people who she is, what her past is, nor her occupation. also i chose deception as a specialty so my ability to act and lie is quiet good. and bieng i was actually victomized for years it is a roll that is particullarly my specialty! Any law system that is not twisted is in my favor.

@Sionnie

I am afraid you do not have an understanding of alignments. It is not a badge you wear. It is not something that is physically tangible. Alignment is a set of moral code that dictates your character. Any deviation from it will cause your character to change in alignment to one that is more fitting. In many cases this is meaningless, but for characters who has gods supporting them may no longer receive the divine power that used to be granted to them.

As for Galawayn, he simply knows that the act of injuring an innocent bystander is a no no. Setting up aflame property that is not his would also be a no no to him. He simply just knows.

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@Pikaroo95 You may join in at anytime. I've created a character sheet for Cypress and it will be given to you soon.

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(Also with ALL seriousness, Sexual Harrassment is on a whole other level and the comparison is crude! I Hope none of us have ever been raped before but the trauma of such is far more awful than a stolen book of any kind! sorry but to me i view SEX CRIMES AS WORSE THAN MURDER. A form of torture born from depraved people stripping someone's right to consent and humiliating them! Lets not make said comparisons please. More attune to a stolen car would be fair.)

@Sionnie

I'd like to warn you not to start these sorts of conversations especially as it is controversial. As much as I want to let out more of my wisdom in this topic, I'd prefer not.

I should not be blamed for it. I stole a book and Galawayn lost his temper. One wrong does not make a write.. I may sleep in a cell for theft but the casualties would be on him. Kinda like if someone murdered someone close to me and i take the law in my own hands and kill that person in an act of vengeance. In which case, i would spend life in prison.. @VKAllen

@Sionnie

Theft-- Guilty as charged. A hefty fine will be imposed if found guilty or face severe punishment even if it is as petty as theft. Remember: this is Thaldin's Faulknorse. I'm the only person so far who knows how law gets around in it.

Galawayn setting fire on the Tavern-- Impossible as he is Lawful Good.

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I would dodge it. also i do not think the tavern would appreciate it.. so he could cast the spell but it would do more harm than good when he sets the place ablaze. To make it worse, it is not hard for me to step convieneantly behind someone. :p the place is quiet crowded..

@Sionnie

The last thing you would want to do is make a bad reputation out of yourself in a town you're not a resident of. Trust me, you do not want to face the Mayor as a Level 1 Rogue.

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When did poor Sionnie do anything to deserve that sort of violence. Sniffs* She only stole your spell book from you. T_T She didn't try to stab you or anything. That was just uncalled for.. Sniffs*

@Sionnie

Well, it is well-deserved. A spell-book is almost like a wizard's private parts. Its like being sexually harassed.

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So, what's the result?@VKAllen

@Natsucooldude

You've failed to prevent the theft of your spellbook, but you did see her run to hide like an imbecile. You could completely see her hiding.