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Topic: Could Sauron forge a ring that allows him to control the Lantern Corps from DC?
Topic: Could Sauron forge a ring that allows him to control the Lantern Corps from DC?
Alright, first a question, how do the lantern rings work to begin with? I figure since you went to the trouble of making a thread I can atleast discuss this fairly rather than mostly relying on
"Hurr durr but he is LORD of teh rings"
"Hurr durr but he is LORD of teh rings"
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Alright, first a question, how do the lantern rings work to begin with? I figure since you went to the trouble of making a thread I can atleast discuss this fairly rather than mostly relying on
"Hurr durr but he is LORD of teh rings"
It depends on the Corp. While all, or rather most, rings manipulate a portion of the emotional spectrum, each is powered by/draws on a specific part of said spectrum. Red rings are powered by Rage, Green by Willpower, Orange by Avarice, Yellow by Fear, Black by Death/Nekron, White by Life/The Entity, Blue by Hope, Indigo by Compassion, Violet by Love, and finally the Phantom Ring. The one Volthoom wears. This wiki and others have MUCH more info than I can provide though.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern…
Alrighty, so this is going to take a lot of finagling and essentially what could be called "rules-lawyering"
The first thing we need to determine is could Sauron somehow connect himself with all of the Lantern Corps? Obviously, we can't have him being responsible for the formation of the rings because ...
well then obviously, yes he could have. We're better than that.
So, how could Sauron sneak his way in? Well, this is where things get messy, and rely on blending the two universes in a semblance of fairness.
A power ring manipulates a portion of the emotional spectrum, which helps us to get started on the path to universal domination - to hijack the green lanterns, Sauron will need some innate connection to Willpower. Looking through that wikipedia entry, the part that caught my eye was "Entity" which redirects us to:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_(DC_Comics)
So basically, Ion is the entity, or spirit, of willpower. It essentially powers all of the green lantern rings as the universal collective willpower. I have not checked beyond the yellow power rings where I found mention of a Parallax entity (collective universal fear) but I would assume that every ring possesses an entity, (nekron further reinforces this.)
The closest approximation to these entities in LOTR are the Ainur (primordial spirits.) Of which Melkor - Sauron's boss - was unequivocally considered to be the most powerful, and possessed aspects of all other Ainur. This is our in. Melkor in our shared world shares the embodiment of Will, Fear, Life, etc with these other beings such as Parallax, Ion, and Nekron. Sauron, being a Valar, and likewise, the strongest of the bunch, was merely a step beneath them. We can assume that Melkor granted certain boons to Sauron, the exact nature of which I couldnt determine, but if we equate Sauron as an avatar to the Ainur whom he serves, we can grant him Valar status of each Primordial Spirit (entity). Sauron was initially bound to the spirit of invention or something (I suppose Hephaestus is a good IRL parallel, but its nice to know that LOTR has a bit of silliness as well) which is why he chose rings, and was the Lord of the Rings, which gives him a second in, since the rings are clearly an invention. Moving on.
As we all know, Sauron imbued part of himself into the one ring, this, combined with the other rings he aided in crafting allowed him to spread his influence... on second thought I'll just put this right here:
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
Breaking this down, One Ring to rule them all: This is the core of our argument, we simply have to extend this to the power rings.
One ring to find them: In other words, one ring to connect him, to all the rings (of power) he had a hand in creating.
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them: this tells us that through the one ring, Sauron was able to reach out and spread his darkness to those who wore his rings and finally bring them under his control.
The obvious counter to this would be, "See, Sauron needed to have a hand in making these rings to put his touch upon it" This is true. In the world of LOTR where rings of power are rare and far between. In our mixed world however we have literal legions of people with Rings of Power that all are sharing/channeling atleast a tiny fragment of Melkor, and therefore Sauron.
In otherwords, Sauron doesn't need to craft a new ring to subjugate the Lantern Corps. He already did.
(As for Nekron, Ion, and the others? They would likely be safe. Under the above presumptions however, I doubt even the white lanterns would be untouched)
The first thing we need to determine is could Sauron somehow connect himself with all of the Lantern Corps? Obviously, we can't have him being responsible for the formation of the rings because ...
well then obviously, yes he could have. We're better than that.
So, how could Sauron sneak his way in? Well, this is where things get messy, and rely on blending the two universes in a semblance of fairness.
A power ring manipulates a portion of the emotional spectrum, which helps us to get started on the path to universal domination - to hijack the green lanterns, Sauron will need some innate connection to Willpower. Looking through that wikipedia entry, the part that caught my eye was "Entity" which redirects us to:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_(DC_Comics)
So basically, Ion is the entity, or spirit, of willpower. It essentially powers all of the green lantern rings as the universal collective willpower. I have not checked beyond the yellow power rings where I found mention of a Parallax entity (collective universal fear) but I would assume that every ring possesses an entity, (nekron further reinforces this.)
The closest approximation to these entities in LOTR are the Ainur (primordial spirits.) Of which Melkor - Sauron's boss - was unequivocally considered to be the most powerful, and possessed aspects of all other Ainur. This is our in. Melkor in our shared world shares the embodiment of Will, Fear, Life, etc with these other beings such as Parallax, Ion, and Nekron. Sauron, being a Valar, and likewise, the strongest of the bunch, was merely a step beneath them. We can assume that Melkor granted certain boons to Sauron, the exact nature of which I couldnt determine, but if we equate Sauron as an avatar to the Ainur whom he serves, we can grant him Valar status of each Primordial Spirit (entity). Sauron was initially bound to the spirit of invention or something (I suppose Hephaestus is a good IRL parallel, but its nice to know that LOTR has a bit of silliness as well) which is why he chose rings, and was the Lord of the Rings, which gives him a second in, since the rings are clearly an invention. Moving on.
As we all know, Sauron imbued part of himself into the one ring, this, combined with the other rings he aided in crafting allowed him to spread his influence... on second thought I'll just put this right here:
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
Breaking this down, One Ring to rule them all: This is the core of our argument, we simply have to extend this to the power rings.
One ring to find them: In other words, one ring to connect him, to all the rings (of power) he had a hand in creating.
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them: this tells us that through the one ring, Sauron was able to reach out and spread his darkness to those who wore his rings and finally bring them under his control.
The obvious counter to this would be, "See, Sauron needed to have a hand in making these rings to put his touch upon it" This is true. In the world of LOTR where rings of power are rare and far between. In our mixed world however we have literal legions of people with Rings of Power that all are sharing/channeling atleast a tiny fragment of Melkor, and therefore Sauron.
In otherwords, Sauron doesn't need to craft a new ring to subjugate the Lantern Corps. He already did.
(As for Nekron, Ion, and the others? They would likely be safe. Under the above presumptions however, I doubt even the white lanterns would be untouched)
Ohh I just wanted to say, can you imagine the Justice League's reaction to all of this, if it somehow happened.
Superman: A ring.
Batman: Just a ring.
Wonder Woman: A magic ring.
Superman: This should not be some world ending-
Wonder Woman: Galaxy ending.
Batman: Universe ending.
Superman: IT'S A %$@#ING RING, BRUCE!
Superman: A ring.
Batman: Just a ring.
Wonder Woman: A magic ring.
Superman: This should not be some world ending-
Wonder Woman: Galaxy ending.
Batman: Universe ending.
Superman: IT'S A %$@#ING RING, BRUCE!
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They would think nothing of it, except Bruce cause let's face it Bruce is Bruce, and probably end up as puppets to his will. The various Entities though...they might not like it but who knows how they'd react.
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White Lanterns could be infiltrated, and maybe the Black Lanterns as the people wearing the rings are, in the comics anyway, trapped within their own bodies as Nekron pulls their strings from afar.
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I'm not sure if Orange or Red have Entities connected to them as with Reds, their rings become their hearts while Orange has only ever had one wearer.
Thats actually what I find funny, Sauron might be Daddy Big Bollocks in lotr, and after all that, I honestly believe that in a shared Universe he would be the scariest thing in the universe to the lanterns, but to dozens of superheroes, he would literally be a chump. Superman could solve the problem in moments as could the flash, and I can only imagine the level of crap they would give the lanterns after.
Superman: "You know, we all gave Aquaman shit but he doesnt turn into a total asshole because some half rate warlock puts on a ring."
Batman: "Wanna bet, Clark?"
Superman: "You know, we all gave Aquaman shit but he doesnt turn into a total asshole because some half rate warlock puts on a ring."
Batman: "Wanna bet, Clark?"
I kinda did some checking after posting and they both do. Orange is something called ophidian, and red is something called the butcher.
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I kinda did some checking after posting and they both do. Orange is something called ophidian, and red is something called the butcher.
Ah, now I remember those two. The amount of information in DC blanks my memory sometimes.
Also, Black Lanterns are immune to magic so I'm not sure how he'd control them. That and they only appear once Nekron leaves the Dead Zone, if I remember correctly, as that's when the rings start appearing. I could be wrong about that though.
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Thats actually what I find funny, Sauron might be Daddy Big Bollocks in lotr, and after all that, I honestly believe that in a shared Universe he would be the scariest thing in the universe to the lanterns, but to dozens of superheroes, he would literally be a chump. Superman could solve the problem in moments as could the flash, and I can only imagine the level of crap they would give the lanterns after.
Superman: "You know, we all gave Aquaman shit but he doesnt turn into a total asshole because some half rate warlock puts on a ring."
Batman: "Wanna bet, Clark?"
And let's not forget beings like Darkseid or Lucifer Morningstar.
Heard of the first no clue on the second
Not sure about the immune to magic tho
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Awesom…
On that page it mentions how wonder woman turns a bunch of em to ash with her lasso and that is definitely magic.
Not sure about the immune to magic tho
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Awesom…
On that page it mentions how wonder woman turns a bunch of em to ash with her lasso and that is definitely magic.
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Heard of the first no clue on the second
Not sure about the immune to magic tho
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Awesom…
On that page it mentions how wonder woman turns a bunch of em to ash with her lasso and that is definitely magic.
No, that's not. Divine/light based power which can kill Black Lanterns yes.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lantern…
Also, here's a page on Lucifer: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_(DC_C…
Its literally called the magic lasso, divine power is magical power, and they are vulnerable to certain light not any light. I dont think its the fact that it glowed was what hurt them...
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Yes, but it does say they are unaffected by magic. Their rings might be a bit wonky around it, but not them. As for light, it literally says "Light based powers."
It was probably the intense amount of light that was given off by the consecration that killed them rather than the lasso itself.
It was probably the intense amount of light that was given off by the consecration that killed them rather than the lasso itself.
Its literally called the magic lasso, divine power is magical power, and they are vulnerable to certain light not any light. I dont think its the fact that it glowed was what hurt them...
And I suppose if you want to differentiate the two, Sauron's powers can very easily be said to be (un)holy since he is essentially a fallen angel, and Melkor is basically Satan
And I suppose if you want to differentiate the two, Sauron's powers can very easily be said to be (un)holy since he is essentially a fallen angel, and Melkor is basically Satan
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Its literally called the magic lasso, divine power is magical power, and they are vulnerable to certain light not any light. I dont think its the fact that it glowed was what hurt them...
And I suppose if you want to differentiate the two, Sauron's powers cam very easily be said to be (un)holy since he is essentially a fallen angel, and Melkor is basically Satan
I agree that Saurons power is unholy as is Melkor's. Their whole thing is corruption and subjugation, as well as drawing worship to themselves rather than Eru. As for the Lasso I'm just going to submit to what the comics say as they are the prime source besides the writers themselves.
Edit: And Melkor and Sauron went against Eru's plan as well.
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If he could capture a a member, aquire a ring or two. He might be able to work slowly on corrupting them.
I know more about lotr than lanterns but he had a hand, or knew details about their making and how the every magic of Middle earth worked. He is also a spirit, and basically for all intents, Imortal. The lanterns are not.
Now if he did start, made a small craxk, and started to turn them very slowly over the decades and centuries like the rings of power did, then perhaps.
Not all could be, the eleves did not. But a slow long game rather than just hacking directly in seems more likely. He had much more time to play with last time.
In centuries, or so time. The lanterns are ring wraiths, but that's a slow change, darkening them, there nature's and powers slowly over time. More incidious.
Like to use warhammer 40k. Before the eldar fall, they did not quite so as much notice, the craft worlds however saw far more starkly as they could be in space for decades at a time.
A slow burn that's not noticed, than a. Fast flash.
I know more about lotr than lanterns but he had a hand, or knew details about their making and how the every magic of Middle earth worked. He is also a spirit, and basically for all intents, Imortal. The lanterns are not.
Now if he did start, made a small craxk, and started to turn them very slowly over the decades and centuries like the rings of power did, then perhaps.
Not all could be, the eleves did not. But a slow long game rather than just hacking directly in seems more likely. He had much more time to play with last time.
In centuries, or so time. The lanterns are ring wraiths, but that's a slow change, darkening them, there nature's and powers slowly over time. More incidious.
Like to use warhammer 40k. Before the eldar fall, they did not quite so as much notice, the craft worlds however saw far more starkly as they could be in space for decades at a time.
A slow burn that's not noticed, than a. Fast flash.
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