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Kaga said
I'm fairly certain they explicitly stated at one point that Jack is from a point in the future where all humans are pansexual. I can't remember exactly when that came up, though.


They mention it within a couple episodes of him being introduced. They don't actually call him Pansexual, but they basically describe it. The actor, John Barrowman identified Jack as omnisexual in an interview though.

@Vortex: Depends on what you mean by 'family-friendly'. Moffat has fingers in Torchwood and Who, and I'd say both have had extremely dark themes that I wouldn't really consider totally wholesome. Really, Nine and Ten are both often dark, heavily critiquing of society, and often explore the idea of the Doctor scarred by the Time War. Eleven was totally child-like for a while though, and I'm glad they went that route. Who should dance between dark and mythic. I definitely agree that it'd be nice to see some other perspectives guiding Who. When Moffat declared we weren't ready for a 'black or female Doctor', my love for him bottomed out. I'm ready for another lead if only for the possibility for that we'll see a non-Caucasian male Doctor sooner than later.
Kaga said
Eh, I guess Mickey and Martha just weren't as popular. Though you're right that there isn't much of an excuse for Jack. Although, I did hear an amusing theory that the reason why Jack wasn't around at all during Matt Smith's run is because Moffat can't kill him. Hopefully he'll show up during Capaldi's run. I really have no basis for this theory; it's just a hope.


I really wanted to see more Mickey and Martha because of this return of UNIT in new form. We saw the bulk of the organization be wiped out between Nine and Ten (Slyveen + ATMOS), but when it comes to the modern UNIT there's the daughter of some general from Classic Who, but no Jack, Martha, or Mickey. I agree some characters should be given time to breath and perhaps brought back later for giggles from at that point long-time Whovians, but why not feature them as the new foundation for UNIT's leadership. It's not like the group is constantly in the show anyway. Instead we get Amy & Rory, who though I loved them, were being forced onto us pretty hard then kept around a long while -- not a complaint here, just saying.

Mickey and Martha were characters written to never really be too loved. They were intentionally overshadowed by Rose, Mickey pretty clearly, and Martha noting this in her dialogue. That's exactly why I think they should appear occasionally. These are people who proved themselves as two of the most badass characters in the Whoverse, both trekking the Earth and fending off the occupation without the help of the Doctor (Rickey + Cybermen & the Year that Wasn't). The fact they got married pretty much means we have the human-equivalent of a Doctor Couple just jaunting about. Come on Moffat, it's all there for you.

I'm not really that mad. I love Who because it doesn't follow American ideals and is perfectly willing to act over your head for a time. They do as they please, but we trust them because we know even if a couple episodes made us cringe, it'll all be worth it later. I do have my wishes though... Jack...
Ink Blood said
Are you accepting applications?


We are. Please check out the OP as we use Narrative Character Sheets (little different from the traditional) and you can get an idea of our cast thus far. We're mostly in Chico right now and have some big plans coming up. Feel free to shoot over any questions you may have.
Magic Magnum said
I need to get back into Torchwood at some point... :/Captain Jack was my favourite Doctor Who character period though, even more than any of the doctors. So I would LOVE to see him come back in the TV series.As for why Torchwood would be canceled but shitty shows stay... People tend to have horrid tastes, plus Torchwood was a bit disadvantaged in that it was a show that depended largely on you knowing and liking a different show.


I do like some of those other shows, my point was really that they use similar elements, except Torchwood imagines them so differently it should be more popular.

I hear you about Jack. We love of too, for his confidence, character, and his being an openly Queer character who isn't portrayed to some stereotypical mess. Wouldn't put him higher than Doctor 10 or X in my book, both my favourites, but he's definitely high up. I just see them introducing characters and, while I agree they should live and go on past them, it's only been a few years in the base-timeline and our friends are probably out there somewhere. Just imagine the power couple Martha & Ricky jumping in to aid Clara when the Doctor's otherwise occupied. Beautiful thing, right?
I never heard anything, Fallen. We had a ton of conversations going on between us, with potential members, and for other projects too. Considering I also do side commissions and we both work, it's not too crazy that the idea got lost in the fray especially when it was in such a liquid form.

In terms of length of post, quality is always first. But with the propositions I sent you based on that planning y'all had, I suspect it won't be an issue. When things are so open, if you ever feel cornered and like you don't have a ton of options, just explore more around. I read about Chico in the OOC and realized just how truly massive a place we've made. Check it out, compare it to the maps... it's insane. So there's a lot of potential for experiences with all that if you're open to them. We should have some fresh blood in the RP soon too, so that'll help.

I've been in this situation before too and have my own way of going about things. Thank you for the advice, but don't be offended if I don't follow it to the letter.
So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please?

Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.
The Nexerus said
The difference being that while spending on the military sustains and advances it, spending on welfare adversely affects those who receive it, in the long run.


War and Military are not the same thing. It is possible to spend money to sustain your military and have them survive without bloodshed every couple months. And I would suggest that spending this money on war also adversely effects those we engage with as well as us. The infrastructures we destroy, we also try to rebuild. We have to pay for that, and we also have to pay for every dollar that we send and seems to go elsewhere. It's no secret that corruption runs deep with everyone involved in our efforts to rebuild in Afghanistan and Iraq, and really, this shouldn't be a surprise. We helped to create the desperation leading to the corruption, not to mention much of it lies within our own ranks (ViceNews has some really great articles and videos on this). So, basically, I'd say that's pretty damn similar to welfare

Just throwing this out there... wouldn't be it be better to increase funding to Community Colleges to help solve unemployment issues? Community Colleges are specifically designed to accept everyone they can within the community with as little restriction as possible. We create affordable programs that students can complete in as short a time as 6 months. We also have massive resources allocated to Professional Technical programs that are designed hand-in-hand with local businesses, so students are exposed to as much of what employers want as possible. At the institution I work for, tuition is also a third of what for-profit schools like Everest and Devry charge (yet these schools are sprouting up everywhere). Perhaps investing money to options like Community Colleges would be a good way to make Welfare less cyclical. Giving the painfully poor and unemployed easy and cheap access to an education that can get them a job may cost a little more, but it would probably solve the problems you see rather than just cutting everyone off and leaving them high-and-dry.
The Nexerus said
If a man breaks into a house to commit a murder, he's not innocent of breaking and entering because he did something worse later on. The United States government spends a lot more on handouts than it does on foreign aid, so fiscally, it's a greater concern.


And even more is spent on corporate subsidies. So perhaps we should focus on them before that. And since 2001 we've spent even more on wars that the public largely finds questionable. Yes, the US Government spends loads of money, but if how much we spend has a direct correlation with how much we care, it definitely looks like we care most about 1) War 2) Corporations .... and somewhere far lower, Education, and Welfare.

Additionally, in such cases, we often look at why they broke into the house and why they committed the murder. It may not directly benefit the assailant, but it does underscore systematic problems we could solve in order to prevent future crimes of desperation.
AreYouMyMummy said
It is not the government's right to give money to the poor. They are funding these programs with our taxes. We are paying for people to be lazy and not get a job. The government is promoting irresponsibility and lack of work ethic.


We're also giving tax breaks to people who make 10x you and I do for largely theoretical work involving 'representing the company'. We fund other nations that commit genocides and takeover villages in order to commodify their basic resources, putting them out of work and out of their homes. We put money toward companies that pump toxins we know to cause cancer, and these toxins go into our food, air, land, and water -- even like to give them tax breaks. Our tax dollars go into training thousands of young men and women, mostly from the poor who have little for choices already, and when they serve and come back broken, somehow our tax dollars don't quite cover helping to mend them. We pay for drones that kill hundreds of civilians -- innocent men, women, and children-- and even though this is documented and reported, we keep on writing that check. Our tax dollars go to sending money to countries we, individually, may totally disagree with for their policies (I'm speaking to you, my Pro-Pakistan comrades). Also, don't forget, our tax dollars have gone to torturing Americans and otherwise we consider(ed) threats, despite our voting against that very thing.

To be blunt, of all the horrible, disgusting, vile things your tax dollars do, is feeding and housing the poor really what pisses you off?
Revans Exile said
It is not government responsibility to feed, shelter, or hydrate you.All of them.All of them.All of them.Electricity and Internet or not basic human rights. They are a luxuries.


Hard argument to make, at least in America, Exile. Much of our system requires people to have what otherwise should be luxuries in order to have stable work. For example, internet and phone are required for most jobs -- including retail. Not having an address is another barrier to finding work, as many require you to be 'stable', not to mention the deep stigma and apathy we hold against our homeless. Luxuries are not unfortunately not defined by our subjective musings, even less so for those of us who enjoy them enough to frequent a place like this. In this country if you intend on having work that will actually pay the bills and provide you with basic things like health insurance, gods forbid you require transportation to your place of work, luxuries are defined by what they expect you to have. And that includes things like the internet today. Also, while you personally may not think electricity is a basic human right, it is pretty important in the eyes of the government. Having your electricity shut off is considered a serious concern for the State when children are in the home. So, if they don't consider it a luxury, how can we?

The government is meant to be a foundation. We build it, we maintain it, and it builds for us and our children. It's function isn't to give you every luxury, I completely agree, but it does our people no favours denying our people basic necessities. We already know a human being cannot dedicate their thoughts to higher practices, like building a business for example, when they are constantly seeking their next meal or a bed in which to sleep. The most basic needs consume us until they are regularly met. And so the poor and those otherwise without find themselves fallen and stuck in a cycle. Government aid is meant to help change that, because it is a cyclical problem, so that the person can focus on re-entering the work force without each day of their search equating to another day starving.

So yeah, just throwing that out there. As a college educated young male with healthy work experience and, additionally, a few skills to boot who is engaged to a woman in the same boat -- neither of us even hear back from most jobs -- I'm thinking the problem goes beyond 'some people are lazy, fuck'em'. There are deep rooted, systematic problems with how we run things and how we forsake the poor, homeless, and unemployed. Condemning them on some forum isn't exactly brave, but undeniably, it also does nothing to solve the problem.
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