Dazsos

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

In response to the options.

1st - My opinions about T1EA have degraded over this debate; If we continue, I'd rather not play by the strict version of those rules. Using them adds additional limits to Myron's spellpower and spellcast times, which I've already given variables. If Corban is really built around T1EA, that's not my issue, we can work on certain buffs for him to break these limitations? If giving you some extra oomph lets me forget about Eden Era, I'm all for it.

2nd - I trust Innue; even if we find his judgment a bit off, we can always call in the opinions of the other two judges, and have them all spar for our amusement.

3rd - Actually I've considered a draw before, but I mean... you've called me stupid so many times, you've made me feel as if we really are enemies, destined to see this rivalry through till the end. I'm quite prone to vengeance, you see, and I've got nothing to lose from this that I haven't already.

4th - I mean if you just offer me a win if I 'want it,' I'd totally take it, dude. Don't expect me to look a gift horse in the mouth.

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I'd keep this up with my comical grin, but you don't respect me anymore, do you, Melon? See, I respect everyone I debate with, even divas such as yourself and Divinity. You have to respect your opponents, or you'll underestimate them, you'll never see from their point of view, and you'll be too ignorant and self absorbed in the idea of promoting your opinions. I've played my role of equal respect from the get go, so if you want none, that's fine, it actually just means I'll begin to ignore everything you have to say. You've defended someone who was just as insulting towards me as I was towards them, as if they did nothing to merit even-handedness. I don't see you as a neutral member of this debate, perhaps it'd be best to leave now, before a possible loss of an argument hurts your feelings.

It's entirely up to us if we want specific rules, or don't want specific rules. Even then, there are unspoken rules every role-player must use and adhere to, and if you break them, you're out... they don't have to be stated beforehand, and they are proof that there is always a means of ruling and judging a fight. No autohitting. No godmodding. There are even less mechanically specific ones, such as the requirement of some kind of sense & logic. If it makes no sense, no logic, and otherwise based on the fundamental laws of physics and the skill-sets given in a character's sheet, if it's impossible, that's where the lines are marked. You're asking us to state rules from the perspective of someone whipped by T1EA, it's easy for you to point in a direction and say "that's my god, he may not be perfect, but I'll do whatever it says." If people don't know or don't want to play by T1EA, they default to the smart man's alternative, which is basic common sense and the badasseryness of motherfucking science. It isn't mandatory for us to say "Hey yeah, let's uh... have gravity on in this fight." Before beginning. Even magic can be forced to adhere to science, as long as it's well explained, and if it breaks physics, it better say how. The whole process of accepting each other's profiles is practically setting up of the rules, "this is what your character can and cannot do." It's so simple.

I have no doubt that I'll only egg you on more, Melon, and I really don't care. In the end, like you say, it's up to Rilla, right? So don't mind if I do just confirm this with him, regardless of your repetitive stake in this argument. I already can assume the next 5 posts you'll make will tell the same boring story. Even your insults are repetitive, they don't even tickle me at this point. (Queue Melon's next attempt to tickle me with an insult.)

So, @Rilla. Divinity did quit, and stated that he wouldn't be making a comeback, this fight is over. Though he mentioned working on a post where Corban forfeits or flees, I doubt he'll want to continue writing, and I wouldn't hold it to him. We're not exactly the best of friends right now. How would we go about judging at this point? Will you or Innue decide the victor based on how the fight progressed so far? Or is it an automatic win due to forfeiture?

EDIT: Oh, well there's @Divinity. I guess you didn't see that whole spectacle where I was finding ways to have Myron's abilities work in T1EA? I've been willing to continue this battle, so I figured forfeiture would be your loss, regardless of advantages or standpoints.

'Proper judges,' now you're insulting a judge we both agreed upon, and Rilla always has the right to judge any fight, so there's always proper judges. I'm the one you have beef with, not the judges, nor the default ruleset of common sense, I'm the one spitting all over T1EA.

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Melon, you give me better reasons over and over again to continue my uphill battle. I'd love to be the person you blame for turning away from ranked combat! That's like beating one bird with another bird, and not even having to use a stone!

The fight was to be regulated by a judge, not T1EA, which wasn't mentioned until later. Say I didn't know anything about T1EA (you probably will say that), so I don't have a specific named ruleset to point at when I say I wanna' play a ranked match. This is wrong, it indicates that you can only fight in a ranked setting if you know about T1EA, or another mechanical version of rules, which isn't mentioned as being mandatory. Surely that's elitist, if it's not required but enforced anyways. The truth that T1EA was only acknowledged later provides me the leverage to say you're wrong if you think I'm breaking established rules or defying them. New rules were being added to the mix, and I was actually willing to find even ground and accept them, in order to satisfy my opponent's distrust.

You've only proven how T1EA isn't perfectly fair or catered to the unique, so why should I want to accept the rules of something that can be seen as illogical, or has mechanical glitches that nobody is willing to rework at this current date in time? I'd rather get rid of it all together from my life, and instead entrust judgment to someone who is catering their own time to reading over my fight, someone I know and trust to make a solid decision.

It was a judged ranked fight. There's a flaming icon saying 'ranked' next to this topic's title, and someone willing to say they'll judge who wins.

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Melon is the only one requesting that this fight not be considered ranked. Myself and Divinity were in agreement that it was a ranked fight from the very beginning, and played accordingly. I'm not sure if his opinion has changed ever since Melon suggested this attractive alternative, but we both were treating it very seriously until the whole T1EA debate exploded out of hand. I personally consider this fight very real, it definitely retained the kind of stress and struggle that comes with combat, that's why I'm driving the steak in to a legitimate outcome.

I'd honestly rather a draw than nothing at all... but I still feel as though Myron had an advantage, dealt more damage, and again... forfeiture is another form of loss.

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Don't get me wrong, I was indeed being rather insulting towards Divinity, but in a rather equally respectful manner. We were both butting heads, and I didn't want to act like the 'better man' and not throw down some jabs myself, that just wouldn't be any fun, and I don't see myself as morally better than most! This fight has probably come to a halt not because I'm breaking rules, in which I'm NOT, but because Divinity doesn't want to keep up this undignified battle of taunts. That has nothing to do with what happens IC.

The end result wasn't really a shift in the rules, if you read my arguments well; I continuously expressed willingness to abide by a 1 prep per turn basis; which was the very first thing mentioned that began this clusterfuck. It was a shift in how Myron's kit works, that we were jotting out that whole time. I'd expect this kind of berating if I actually broke rules. T1EA wasn't even mentioned from the start, what was mentioned was there being a judge, and eventually you told me about how T1EA is forced upon us as a default. You keep reiterating issues that were being resolved OOC, as if I'm STILL hellbent on having 2 preps in 1 turn. Completely ignorant of how many times I've said, 'I'm cool with 1 prep 1 turn.' Which I feel redundant for having to remind you constantly.

Of course I'll be petty for this win, we were complete and utter assholes to one another, and beating up the bully is just sooo satisfying. Self satisfaction is exactly what I want, so yeah, call me a disappointment for that, I never really cared for the opinions of people who don't know me; if anyone looks back on this fight and avoids me... good for them, it takes courage to challenge a bully!

See I'm willing to keep up the 'charade,' I'm willing to keep fighting, and honestly I'd rather bribe Divinity with the chance of a loss or win scenario, to yank his neck and convince him to really take me on. I'd rather this than say... walking away like nothing happened. Like all my hard work and effort put in to something I knew was ranked, was all in vain, and why? Because someone who insulted me so much couldn't handle being insulted anymore? Voiding this fight would seem like more of a way to preserve Divinity's ego because he just 'doesn't feel like it anymore.' Modern society is all about giving everyone participation awards even if they came in last place, and I don't agree with that. If you forfeit, you mentally accept loss.

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You're no fun, Melon. Don't give me that, you looove debating, and shoving your opinions down other people's throats, just like every other biased buttbeater. Look how quickly you respond! Some people have gaydar, you have debatedar. Now you debate against my rebuttal to your argument disputing my contesting of your debate points, whilst trying to dispute heavy involvement in debating debates. Pffft.

So I may have hinted towards ways that Myron could abuse it, yes... but when called out or mentioned that it would go against the rules... did I not try and find another way? A way that would ultimately work? And when I finally did, we finally came to a conclusion that is bonafied T1EA approved... it didn't matter cause Divinity doesn't want to continue. Thing is, none of this truly applies to what happened IC, this was an argument that you practically helped design. Everything done IC followed the rules, it was a real fight, and you admitted to enjoying it. From my perspective, it seems like you're just holding T1EA in such extreme regards, that you'd believe any fight with independent rules shouldn't count, or anyone who thinks the current rules are imperfect should be punished for blasphemy. I doubt this is how you feel, but hell, it's exactly the elitist image you're giving off.

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That actually is continuing the argument! That's like me saying. "I don't mean to insult you, but you nit-pick like a hungry monkey." Well, I probably did mean to insult you by saying that, although in a comical form. (The monkey thing kinda' applies to me, too! Whew, glad I made this joke before someone could use it against me! Muahaha!) Personally I'd forgo the first part, and cut straight to the jab, assuming you can give and take a good mocking. I get half my kicks out of being mocked, myself, so feel free to have at me!

'Every little detail' was an obvious exaggeration.

Back to the important stuff...

Judge intervention wasn't mandatory from the get go, because me and Divinity were able to settle most of our issues without Innue... only when we absolutely needed him, did we call for a judgment. And his judgment, I assume, would count as the rules. I did ask him right off the bat to be our judge, and I spoke with Divinity about that as well. There was order and preparation beyond what you've been able to see, much of it was done through private messages. It was a unanimous decision to swap from one power tier level to the next, so that shouldn't really effect anything. Only after you butted in to the debates we had, did things go further south. I wasn't disagreeing, or unwilling to work with T1EA until you made it clear that my character would suffer from using it... I was very intent on finding middle-ground, however, which spanned that huge debate. T1EA might need some tweaking in the future, I didn't enforce the idea of using a 'special version' of the ruleset, although it may have been hinted, I was mainly attempting to find a way for my character to work with it, without detriment to his sheet. By no means do I think that, because I tried to find middleground to use your rules, (which created their own problems) that my fight was in vain. If just arguing too much is a good reason to deny someone a win or loss, I'm sure you wouldn't have such a pretty looking score.

By those very rules which I was trying to flesh out with you two, Myron was able to dish out more damage than he ever took throughout the battle. I'm at an advantage IC, that's why I see this as a win if continued IC.

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Yo!

Issues, issues. Everything's really already stated in the OOC, I'll try and summarize my half of it, so you don't have to rummage through that hot greasy mess.

Divinity is forfeiting the fight, which would normally count as a loss; we have Innue as our judge, but Melon decided to drag you in to decide whether the fight should count as ranked or not. Personally I don't see why it shouldn't, me and Divinity initially agreed that it would, and though we had some disputes about each others profiles, we came to conclusions about those very early on in to the bout. There's definitely enough fighting and damage dished out to count as a real match. I think Melon's big case about how it shouldn't count as a ranked fight, stems from the fact we didn't flesh out every single little detail about the rules before our fight, and because we argued so much. (But he argues with everyone, too. I'm sure he has some argument radar built in to him.) I can see a wager chip in the rules idea, not the arguing one, but I figured that requesting a judge works the same way as setting up rules. This whole T1 Eden Era really isn't advertised as the default, not enough to be commonly known by everyone! Plus it needs to be revamped in order to properly include characters like mine, who rely on preparing multiple things at once mid-battle; fleshing out how Myron's skillset might work in pure T1EA turned in to an argument that ultimately resulted in Divinity's decision to bow out. On a side note, to try and defeat this whole rule dilemma, if T1EA was applied 100% to the fight, I still wouldn't have broken any rules... mainly because T1EA has some pretty commonplace guidelines that are agreed upon in an unspoken manner by combat veterans.

So here we are!

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Divinity, you are salty! Wow! If you were pushed in to a slug infested swamp, you'd kill every urchin in there! I still can't extract anything useful from your arguments. Your thesis always seems to be. "You're dumb, I'm smart." And you're a broken record for that phrase. Well congratulations on having an opinion! Too bad it's only your opinion, and I think you should be exempt of the American freedom of having free speech. It'd be great if you and Melon had synergy with your arguments, constantly I'll mock you for some dumb thing you say, and he will react like it was directed at him.

The teacher in my metaphor actually failed everyone in his class, remember? Obviously it's no longer the fault of the students alone if not a single person passed! Plus, the schoolboard has a quota most teachers need to meet, where whoever passes the most kids is honoured as teacher of the year. You passed no kids, I bet nobody even wanted to attend your class.

So now I'm just going to show you mutual respect, Div, and selectively read what I want to... that being, mostly only Melon's half of your combined arguments. He's like the better half of your brain here.

O.K. Mel, here's my rebuttal. I agreed that 'prepped runes' that had to be cut short would instead count as quick casts. I agreed on a way to apply the 'prep' concept to his runes, which really dulls the logic behind them, but hey. I said I agreed to T1EA (to my chagrin), but the minute I also said Myron can ready 2 runes, and count one of them as a prep the next turn, and 1 as a prep that turn, Div lost his shit. This is under the assumption that both count as preps, but they don't in reality, not in the beginning, both just require a set-up phase that comes before them counting as a prep, or 'powerful spell.' In a way, it reveals what I'm going to do before I do so every time. I was determined to agree with the 1 prep per turn idea, but because my character prepares all his spells, I'm sure everyone here got crazy fuckcluster confused due to the difference between 'prepare' and 'prep.' Honestly, you need a way better term to use instead of prep, maybe like 'prime attack,' or 'prime defence.' (Sounds way better, don't you think?) This hypothetical multiprep, I believe is a misinterpretation; all of Myron's spells require a setup before counting as a prep, but I never said each one would count as a prep with multiple turns power behind it. (I think I've gotten the handle on your rulebook and how it applies to my character, now... just in time for the information to be useless, eh?)

You've held the only points I wanted to agree with, Melon, so I want your opinion on this. My biggest bargaining chip has been the fact I've broken no rules IC. I'm confident I have the advantage in this battle, and that I could defeat Divinity, and I want to, honestly. Have you ever taken down someone with such a huge ego, who was antagonizing you like a jerk final boss throughout the game? Isn't it the best feeling ever? I want that feeling, I want to lather it all over my body. Because the rules haven't been breached, and we came to conclusions on our profiles before any major fighting began, it should indeed retain the flaming symbol of a ranked fight. I'm willing to play by T1EA, and as much as he annoys me, I want to keep fighting Divinity, for a plethora of evil reasons. If he forfeits, I want it to count as his loss, cause it proves he couldn't commit to the shit flinging contest that we started with one another.