Dinh AaronMk

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Early loss of the Philippines is in the realm of possibility, yes?

@Letter Bee

Not even in the scope of the RP.

@Yam I Am
You're good to switch to the Decemberists chief

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Spain is losing its Colonial Empire to Revolution, correct?

@Letter Bee

It would have basically already lost pretty much everything in South America

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@Letter Bee

My points on Egypt still stand as they did before. Egypt would exist in a delicate balance of social relationships within the Middle East as was carried out by the Ottoman Empire. Similarly Muhammad Ali exists predominately by the will of the Ottomans that granted him permission to be the ruler of Egypt to begin with and ruling Egypt was a balance of maintaining that cordial feudal relationship with the Ottomans as much as it was having to fight them now and then to maintain independence at arm's reach, as with anyone in the greater Levant, Arabian peninsula, and Mesopotamia who would be as much subjects of the Ottomans as they were independent actors doing their own thing on pure vibe.

And besides the fractious conditions of this RP, the European calculus towards the Middle East and larger Ottoman Empire is always how best to use them as the foil to the Russian Empire. Neglecting the Ottoman Empire to allow them to break down too fast creates a void that the Russians could use to surge back from their punishment and bruising during the later alt-Napoleonic timeline, where even the Persians had the opportunity to nip at the Russian frontier and make gains on them after a little over a century of losing.

Internally in Egypt you have to remember that the departure of Napoleon from Egypt would have been still at best bitter, because he was not a popular figure in Egypt at all and anyone doing rapid western modernizations in Egypt could well be seen as just another Napoleon, even if they are Albanian Muslim and not French. But much of the Egyptian industrialization was fueled by European coal and would or could be very vulnerable to being leveraged that way. All those state centralizations and nationalism that Mohammad Ali did? Not only unpopular to his restless Egyptian subjects but also tasteless for European investors and parties who would source Egypt their most valuable coal to run their manufacturing depots.

A large part of this may just be an overall lack of regional players to drive competitive or antagonistic relationships towards Egypt. But skimming the app it's roughly the same as it ever was.

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Considering the need for players, does the restriction for me to restrict my guys to the Baltic or Balkans still apply?

Edit: Yes, you explained that my previous app could only have worked if I had a suitable foreign patron.

Edit 2: Pre-emptive 'Understood' and 'Point taken' for if the answer to my question is 'yes'.

@Letter Bee

I don't even remember what you wanted

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@Willy Vereb

And even lacking the Austrian app, checking back at what I had written for the OP clarifies the situation in Italy:

Italy appears as ever before but as French and Austrian troops occupy the streets.

So on those grounds I would have to reject a surviving Napoleonic republic at Venice.

The point of divergence is also more or less the Treaty of Tilsit, where Napoleon decided to instead just go ahead and go gamer on the Prussians as a flex and turned around on the Russians when they protested to re-discipline them back into the Continental System, for a time

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@Willy Vereb

We had a Discord but I nuked it for lack of interest until @Mutmer appeared and inadvertently revived it. That said: don't take his Batavian state serious because I rejected it. It's a non-issue.

As per-Venice: no it was ceded to Austria as a secret clause of Compo Formio I believe in 1790-something. It had been one of the Italian states he brought under French control initially but was given as an offering to Austria early on, before divergence, to end the War of the First Coalition.

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@Willy Vereb

From my understanding of Venice in the period, it probably be one of those territories that the post-Napoleonic order would have gone and ceded back to Austria, it having been originally cedes to them by Napoleon originally at the end of his early Italian campaigns. So it certainly would not exist at the time if the RP's start as an independent country. Neither would - or should - Hungary since as I recall we're supposed to have an Austrian player (who given may be absent because of RL geopolitics I am willing to continue to respect).

That is not to say you can't, but that's something I will have to say will be a goal achieved. Venice especially, since it would probably more or less fold neatly and naturally into the Carbonari movements of Italy and Iberia, and probably not explicitly a Venetian-only program.

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well 1805 is the date batavia did end...

@Mutmer

Well the RP first off is set in 1836. History split at the Treaty of Tilsit where Napoleon basically decided to delete Prussia and be a bit more aggressive against Russia and succeeded in whipping the Tzar back into the Continental system. The Napoleonic era Laster longer, especially since the 100 Days was a lot longer than 100 and ended at a physical invasion of the British Isles.

Any remaining Bonapartist states would have been dismantled by the Coalition allies in trying to restore Europe to what it was roughly like before the revolution, but Napoleon Bonaparte would have already did his damage to the old regimes of Europe.

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@Mutmer

Why does your history basically ends at 1805. You're not filling me with any hope here. Trying reading the OP and some of the apps in the character tab and try again

[1836] - Casual - Rise of Victoria

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Fam why don't you participate in a few, this isn't how you start anything