Dipper

Zoe Quinn.

You seem to forget a few things when you say "most critics dont see video games as art"
1)For a long time, photography was not considered art
2) For a long time, movies were not considered art either.

And yet you say that because that video games, which, in all honesty, are still in their infancy, are not considered art by critics, they are not art.

Well excuse me, who gave you and others like you the power to decide what is and is not art? Ooooh, look, you can say "This isn't art!" I can run into a art gallery and yell that, but that won't make it true.

Also, Sable, why are you so... Well, pissed about how you can't convince a couple of people to start going back on what they believe by compromising? Refusing to back down on what you believe because someone is being an asshole and telling you "WHAT YOU THINK IS WROMG AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR THINKING IT!!!!!" Isn't a circle jerk. (Also,who the fuck jerks to the left in a circle jerk? Freaks.)

Your 'but I wanted to compromise, you need to agree with me now!" Arfuement is called Argument to moderation and is a... you guessed it, a logical fallacy. 0/10 Keep trying.

Anyway, we were successfully derailed. Damn.

Watch this guys, its pretty.. Well, explains GamerGate pretty well. Plus, she's hot. Dat accent, dem lips.

Zoe Quinn.

I see what he's saying as well, Gat, but I believe that he's dead wrong.

Art doesn't need praise or acclaim to be art- It needs to touch the soul of the viewer- something I'm sure any gamer will say games do.

Zoe Quinn.

Brovo said
. I'm sorry, if a game like Homeworld 2 or Bastion doesn't get to be art because the entire industry got thrown out of being considered art because some games art is ridiculous. Some books are straight up pornography, does that mean we should no longer protect books as art? Some is straight up five year old noodle drawings about penises, again, does that mean we should stop considering art as something sacred that needs protecting from censorship?Sable is completely and utterly wrong here. Games art. They are more than capable of being a form of human expression and have blatantly displayed that time and time again. They're capable of visual marvels and churning out beautiful stories. Now, I know you like Jade Empire, so imagine if Jade Empire never got to be a thing because it features a lesbian romance in the game at a time where homosexuality was still extremely volatile in the United States. Imagine if Jade Empire had to remove all mentions of eastern mythology Gods because it might offend some of its eastern audience in how it portrays them. Etc.We consider games an artistic medium because it protects them from censorship, and allows us to explore potentially sensitive narratives within the context of gameplay. The shit-tier games get left behind and the stuff of legends gets propped up to the top. Not considering games an artistic medium would be insane and would open the doorway to do the same to movies and books, slowly eroding one of the few bastions of true freedom of expression we still have.

Thank you for explaining what I was trying to say Brovo, better than I ever could hope to.

Zoe Quinn.

Semantics, Sable. That's all you are arguing right now. :|

Zoe Quinn.

So art can't be entertaining? Video games are art, in my opinion - Even shitnlike Depression Quest. Most art sucks anyway, ever brouse deviant? Most of that is shit, but its still art.

Zoe Quinn.

Sable said
Coherence isn't really your strong suit, I see, but fear not, I'll push on.You're clearly not interested in hearing what I have to say, but I find that people are very big on what they have to say. Nothing like hearing your own voice.So let me ask you a question. Why do you want video games to be considered art? What does the industry gain from it?

Please forgive my lack of coherence. 25 hours since I last slept, and I won't be able to sleep for 11 more hours. Don't be an asshole.

I am interested in what you have to say, but "lol you guys think games are art" is something I hear constantly. Forgive me for being sick of that.

That's two questions, math obviously isn't your strong suit I see, but fear not, I'll answer both.

I want video games to be considered art so that the government won't be able to regulate it. The industry would have more freedom, and thusly be able to create higher quality games.

Let me ask you two questions. Why do you want video games to not be considered art? What does the industry have to loose from it being considered an artform?

Zoe Quinn.

Sable said
Mass Effect is on the same level as Citizen . Really.You've either never watched Citizen Kane before, or you have a very weird understanding of what makes something art.Edit: On top of that, the vast majority of film is not art. Art house film is a niche in the industry. Mass Effect is the Avengers of video gaming, not the Melancholia or Punch-Drunk Love.

Spam is that way, Sable. You really gotta work on trolling harder. People can have differing opinions than you. Art is art.

And you are right. ME isn't Citizen Kain of gaming, Dwarf Fortress is.

Zoe Quinn.

Sable said
Snark =/= trolling. To elaborate, I understand that some video games can be art (though I've never seen or played one that I'd call art), the idea that video games as an aggregated whole are art is silly. Video games are popcorn entertainment. Describing them as an artistic medium struggling to be recognized as such is a false outlook on the industry.Correction: I can think of video games that are art. Spec Ops: The Line and the original Bioshock are both art rather than simply video games, but they are art because they are art, not because they are video games. Point stands.

They are as much art as movies are. I'd say the mass effect trilogy is as much art as Citizen Kain was. (At least until the last five minutes of ME3). When movies were new, they were not considered art. When photography was new, it was not considered art. Video Games are new, the old guard of art does not see it as art.... Yet.

Zoe Quinn.

Also, yes, the proof is 'circumstancial', in that her pic of "OH NOIM HARASSED" was taken 15 seconds after the final post, while logged out of an account.

She didn't file a police report, two journalists have proven that already. Also, she retweeted CHILD.FUXKING.PORN. in an attempt to gain sympathy, THAT is why FBI are involved.

I have a pic somewhere about how she acts. When I find it, I'll post it.

Zoe Quinn.

Soia there even a point in debating this with you Hellis, or are you going to just keep doing mental gymnastics and taking what everyone said out of context while defending someone from all critisim, while pretending you are against them? Because every post you've made has been that.