DracarysBitch

When Royalty Collides (#YIKES)-Interest Check

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@shylarah thank you (/ω＼)

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@DracarysBitch yooo!

For the titles what Shy said is correct-I just want something a bit simpler and "lady whatever"/"lord whatever" has sort of a nice ring to it, lmao. The Triarchy Barons and Baronesses are something totally different, and it's not so much a noble title than a title given to the people who rule the cities (like "Minister" in HG)
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okie dokie, so then the title is just their family name? Like Robert Crawley, Earl of Grantham, would be Lord Crawley instead of Lord Grantham?

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@DracarysBitch

A "baron" (or more derisively, a "robber baron") is also a colloquial term for a businessman who has such a powerful stranglehold on his field of industry that he has managed to create an effective monopoly or trust. Famous examples of such include Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Vanderbilt. Often, the barons are portrayed as having a large hand in government as well, buying off political leaders to further their profit and investing heavily on public infrastructure. I believe that was the idea the GMs were going for in the Triarchy.

@bloonewb

Thanks for explaining! XD Although, not to be a nobility-obsessed loser here (100% what I am though), but those aren't barons, they're Americans, a nation which very memorably abolished aristocracy, that system is actually more similar to the oligarch system, currently most easily seen in the Russian Federation. I'm actually rather ignorant of those American wealthy families (because I'm biased af), but as far as I understand, whilst they have tremendous wealth and influence, they don't have formal titles, which is what I was thinking of. I based my earlier stuff only on the british systems, since the victorian era is specifically mentioned, the types of barons differed from kingdom to kingdom in europe, they overlapped, but had distinct differences, for example in Germany, Barons were formerly Knightly families, later made barons when they changed their system a bit. In GB and Ireland, Baron/Baroness is the lowest rank of nobility (there are 4 other ranks in general below Baron; Baronet, Knight, Esquire, Gentlemen, and their immediate equivalents, but these ranks are not used by the British). The thousand year history (more or less) since the creation of the title (in the isles) has changed up it's purpose over time, but essentially, they were people who held lands given to them directly by the king. They were loyal vassals being rewarded by their immediate overlord. Like House Stark awarding House Bolton (theoretically, not actually, because fuck the boltons, but for comparison, that's effectively their power difference). Powerful nobles like (non-royal)-Dukes and Earls also went onto to award the title of baron to some of their vassals whom they had given land to. Due to the large number of them, and their sworn duty to serve their king/overlord, they ended up forming what eventually would become parliament and later the house of lords. As of 1660, being a baron is no longer tied to owning land due to the Tenures Abolition Act of 1660. In parliament they could speak and vote, but that was the extent of their power, and more or less, is the same today.

Historically, Barons had little power in government, they were just easy votes to buy and/or coerce. The Dukes were the most powerful of the nobility, particularly because many claiming descent from royalty. My working theory is mostly that the triarchy is run more like England during the civil war, or a bit like the goals of the Fronde in France, just titled Barons 'cause it sounds cooler and more steampunk-y than Duke.

(also, because we've never met before, that's not said in any mean spirited way at all! I just love Europe! And I'm really sorry if my nerdy tone came out mean instead! :/)

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@DracarysBitch barons might be in the sense of trade barons? I don't know the answer to your queations, but I know ayz wanted something simple. The patriarchy is a diffwrent nation/state than Hourglass is, so their ranks as well as their social structure are likely different. I'm sure the hourglass nobles know who outranks whom, but my understanding is that for the purpose of simplicity the actual titles and forms of address are simply lord and lady. (And if you actually use something else you're probably seen as snobbish)

@shylarah

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by trade barons? the closest thing I could find is from the star wars universe (wherein they're officials of the of the trade federation underneath the trade viceroy), but in nobility, that's not a title as far am I'm aware.

As for the difference in rank, I ask because lord and lady are not titles themselves, they're forms of address for other titles. Well, "lady" has at times been used as title init of itself, but it's complicated, and mainly exists for stupid "women are less important" reasons, so that can basically be disregarded. Anyway, back to the general stuff, for example, Robert Crawley from Downton Abbey. His title is "Earl of Grantham", but his style and form of address is "Lord Grantham". A living example would be Maurice Roche, 6th Baron Fermoy. First Cousin of Diana, Princess of Wales, his title is "6th Baron Fermoy" or just "Baron Fermoy", but his style/form of address is "Lord Fermoy". From Baron all the way up to Marquess, they're all addressed as Lord/Lady. Noblewomen ranked lower than a Baron are still addressed as "Lady", except of the knight/chevalier rank, who are addressed as "Dame", which can also sometimes double as title.

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Ahhh okay no the title thing usually doesn’t include the place

@ayzrules

okie dokie, I too have a question pertaining to noble titles and such, it's related, but not exactly the same as that one, but quoting it anyway. I probably already asked you (@ayzrules) a similarly annoying version of this last time on polyvore, but I can't remember. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So, having stalked through the pages, I know you've already said locations are not used as part of the styles, I was wondering if that was more in regard to the actual title itself or the style of address. The about stuff says it's asoiaf style, which uses a loose variation of british nobility, and simplifies everything, thereby applying the same style of address to all nobles, high and noble alike, with the exception of Royalty (as well as the ruling house of Dorne aka Nymeros Martell).

My question is about the levels of the actual titles. Like, the triarchy is ruled by Barons, but that's actually a rather low ranking overall, 5th from the bottom. And there's 3 higher ranked titles (Marquess, Count, and Viscount) before the royal ones start. Since there's no mention of royalty, and the feudalistic/bourgeoisie vibe I'm guessing they either don't exist, or are the figure heads of a crowned republic. I'm also curious about the difference in titles v the triarchy and hourglass city. Eg, in Europe the titles of count and earl are equivalent, and are rarely used within the same country. I know you've said Lord/Lady for all, so I was curious about what title would denote the difference in rank. Like in westeros, they use "Great Lord" and "Great House" for the big houses that rule entire sections of westeros, although, it's never used as a form of address. Eg. House Lannister are one of the aforementioned great houses, Wardens of the West, but Tywin is only ever addressed as "Lord Tywin". Everyone else is technically a minor house, their difference in power basically dependent on how much money and/or fame they have.

so sorry for the rambles, but I do love this nobility stuff, completely antithetical to my socialist views, but whatever, vive le ancien régime!
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