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Allrighty then, more time to scheme.... mwhahah!....I mean I'm not evil... nothing to see here *shifty eyes*
By the way eemmtt, as you may have worked out your nation is the Azera's prime target for positive relations (other than the established goblin relations.) Do you want to RP some diplomacy in a pre ball meeting or remote discussions, telegraph etc? Or would you rather wait until the ball? Either answer is fine I'm just trying to work out what is best for the RP.
In answer to the question posed a few posts ago the green territory is everything north of that green line that is still part of the main land plus the circled islands (being the one island off of the tip of the peninsular and the circled islands in the middle of the huge bay.) They are all Azera territory. As for waiting a post or two before opening the ball I've been holding off on making diplomatic over tones to other countries for the moment because I figured that was what we were all going to do at the ball. I'll gladly send out a diplomat or two pre ball if that would smooth things along. That would also make sense if the dragon is trying to do things pre ball, Azera diplomats won't just sleep while the dragon talks. They will be counter lobbying. Also, I so want the dragon to be at the ball. I know that might be kind of ridiculous unless she magically shape shifts, which is possible, but a dragon at a ball, come on! How great would that be?
I can, is there a problem with the abbreviation? I don't understand.

(edit) ...Oh I think I just got what you meant, now I feel a little dim. A world war can be avoided in this RP situation, I fancy the party in the Steam Coalition will be very important.
I have made some tweaks to the military to make it all more Victorian/Edwardian themed or generally steampunk accepted and rest assured that (aside from giant airships) everything either existed in Victorian times, something very like it did or in a few select cases something very like it existed in WW1. (That's the STAG units) and they are no more powerful than anything that existed in WW1 or could really easily have existed without any real inventing.

Oh yes, also, posted, huzzah.
It was interesting times in the nation which labelled it self The Great Spirit of the Azera. Their technological innovations stood them in increasingly good stead for a position on the world stage. Their large population, united military and ambitious traders all painted an image of a nation on the rise and, truth be told, that is what the majority of the Azera firmly believed was the case. Many saw their rise as inevitable, their prosperity and success guaranteed, that fate was on their side. However, the senior echelons of the Azera knew the reality of the situation, they knew just how vulnerable they really were. Their military was mighty, but no more mighty than some of the other world players. Their economy was solid, but it was far from being an economic super power. Their technological innovations were commendable, but whilst they were strong in some fields other nations had strong technological advances in others. It was a delicate balancing act and it just got a lot more dangerous.

In the Snake Tooth Peninsular sat the city of Footfall, the capitol of the Azera people and the heart of her financial, military and governmental machine. The victim mentality of the Azera shone through in the cities design, for whilst many of the buildings on the city may have been elegant white structures of bold, clean, beautiful shapes and contours, there was also a definite military presence. The outer walls were tall, sloping and grey, with towers, turrets and gun emplacements to defend from attacks both from the shore and the sea. Indeed, even anti air emplacements were even now being added to the city’s impressive fortifications. Similar defences were repeated near the core of the city, protecting the government district. At the very core of that place sat the famous Black Keep. The Black Keep was an imposing structure, a castle that had first been built when Footfall had been conquered by the Azera and which served as a potent reminder of who the rulers were now. Over the years it had been added to and updated but always in that chilling black rock that almost seemed to shine in the light, either that or more durable modern materials painted black. It had long since stopped being a reminder of who ruled the city, the local population was now almost entirely Azera. But it served as a building of national pride and gave the people something of a sense of identity.

Deep in the oldest part of the Black Keep, in one of the ancient banquet halls, sat a small cadre of men and women around a table. At the head of the table was First Lord Arasan. His slightly flecked and dark grey skin was complimented by the simple yet elegant black suit like garment that he was wearing. Around him were a number of other senior members of the Azera military and government. The agenda today had several important items and right at the top was the recent inflammatory declaration given by The Theological Empire of Stellata.
“Their intent was clear!” Stated Lord Marshal Derius, a man of light grey skin and sitting in an immaculate white uniform which was the parade uniform of the Air Corps. “It is a declaration of war. We were declared heretics and sentenced to the fire and the people cheered for our demise.” But the table was not united behind his opinion. A woman of near powder white skin, graceful form and in an elegant silver dress simple shook her head. This was General Amabasador Lady Visar, the most senior diplomat and foreign relations figure.
“The word war was never mentioned, we were declared heretics and certainly those theocratic zealots would gladly see us burn. But I don’t think they are going to attack us yet. But I agree with Derius in that this affront cannot go unaddressed. To simply let it slide would make us appear weak and leave us open to sterner impositions in the future from many nations. But we must not over react.”

First Lord Arasn steepled his fingers in front of him, deep in thought, nodding very slightly and slowly with a slight hum of contemplation. When he eventually spoke he lowered his fingers and spoke slowly and deliberately.
“Issue a declaration, condemning the comments made against us and criticising the Theological Empire of Stellata for judging men purely by faith and religion. Say that such an attitude is outdated and makes them unfit to stand amongst the modern civilised nations. We must also back this up with physical action. Issue a trade embargo and a ban on all Theological Empire of Stellata ships passing through out territorial waters.” The ban on passing through Azera waters would hit the Theological Empire of Stellata quite hard. Control of the Grey Isles meant the Azera could lay claim to huge swathes of the vast east coast bay, certainly it’s northern half. Any attempts to sail ships out would have to hug the coast and sail east through the waters of her neighbour country to the east and then either sail south and go all the way around the mainland, or go further east into dangerous open waters and try to sail around Azera territory. Either way it would be a significant and costly detour for trade and hurt the profits of the Theological Empire of Stellata as they would have to wait longer for their ships to get to and from their destinations and either charge higher prices to cover it, risking clients going to cheaper alternatives, or accept a significant down turn in revenue per ship.

But first Lord Arasan was not done yet. Turning to Derius he added. “We cannot ignore the possibility that the dragons will escalate this further, armed conflict is possible. We will try to avoid it through diplomacy but we must be ready. Mobilise the armed forces and put us in a state of readiness to do battle with the Stellata. I will leave the details to you.” Derius simply gave a nod and the table moved to the next item on the agenda.

This time Lady Visar took the lead.
“Sir, with our position in the world and the building military tensions it is more important than ever to have firm allies. Our relationship with the Goblin Confederation is already strong, I have seen to it to remind them of our arrangements and have sent them a consignment of food and trade goods. We must however, turn to other nations.” This was simple common sense and none around the table disagreed with the analysis thus far, the issues was which ones to turn to. Derius had his own strong opinions on the matter.
“Sir, we must turn to Irodein Empire, their military strength is formidable and we should avoid war with them if possible. I urge you to start fostering diplomatic relations immediately. At first we could merely prevent a war between our two peoples, but eventually we may actually become allies. Imagine what could be achieved with our combined forces.” The Lord Marshal clearly believed what he was saying, his words were edged with a firm conviction and a dream of what the future might be. Lady Visar however, was less optimistic. She sound unsettled when she spoke.
“Sir the Irodein Empire is closer to what we once were than we like the world to remember. There is allways the looming threat of conflict on their borders and they are seen as using their military to strong arm lesser nations…” She was still in mid flow when the Lord Marshal cut her off.
“A prudent use of force, this what armies are for. It is best we align our selves with nations that understand this.” But Lady Visar was still deeply concerned.
“Sir, if we do go closer to the Irodein’s then we risk isolating the rest of the world. Perhaps the Steam Coalition would join us but it would be three nations against the majority of the rest of the known world. That is not an association I think we can afford to join.”

This back and further threatened to turn into an endless and fruitless debate so the First Lord simply put a stop to it by silently raising his hand and getting the attention of the whole room. Once silence had prevailed he slowly lowered his hand again and spoke.
“It is far too early to talk of alliances with the Steam Collation or the Irodeins. But I want both of them neutral at the very least. I want to know they are not going to opportunistically attack us or combine forces to do so. To that end Visar you are to start compiling diplomatic policies toward both of these nations to further that goal and promote calm and tolerant relations. Once those have been established we can debate where to go from there.” This was a sensible first step and though it avoided dealing with the real issue, the real issue was not something that needed to be addressed right now.

There was only one final matter that needed to be addressed, the soiree in the Steam Coallition. Attendance was a no brainer, it would provide excellent diplomatic opportunities and not to attend would be an exceptionally bad move. The First Lord gave the order for a letter of acceptance to be hastily dispatched to the Steam Coallition, with the thanks of the Great Spirit of the Azera.

The next day, after the wording had been agreed between the First Lord and the Foreign Office, the following declaration was issued to the world.
“The Great Spirit of Azera has noted the regrettable comments made by the Theological Empire of Stellata. The fact that a nation which calls itself civilised would act to condemn an entire people purely because of their religious beliefs is deeply concerning. Such behaviour belongs to the dark past of our world and should have no place in this enlightened age. Every nation on this earth should be concerned by the Theological Empire of Stellata’s fire brand behaviour. For whilst their ire may have landed on the Great Spirit of the Azera today, it will eventually land on every people in this world until only their way of life remains. We therefore call upon the world to join us in condemnation of the Theological Empire of Stellata and their intolerant beliefs. To safe guard our own people, and the peoples of the world, the Great Spirit of Azera has taken it upon itself to rebuke the Theological Empire of Stellata. From midday today a trade embargo is declared on the Theological Empire of Stellata and we would ask all nations to join us in the prohibition of imports and exports to and from this intolerant and prejudiced society. Furthermore, the waters and airspace of the Great Spirit of Azera are closed to the Theological Empire of Stellata and all her peoples. Any vessel which trespasses into our territory will be subject to forfeiture. These measures will be rescinded should a public retraction and apology be made by the Theological Empire of Stellata, one which recognises the validity of other beliefs including our own and is made to its own people as well as the world, in a manner similar to the way their denunciation was given. We close by once again calling on all peoples of this world to denounce the intolerant beliefs and behaviours of the Theological Empire of Stellata which have no place in the association of civilised nations.”

Meanwhile, even as the statement was being broadcast, military preparations were being made. The Grey Isles had always been the heart of the navy and a military hub but the air landing forces and a great proportion of the light and heavy air force were being redeployed to the isles. The marines were already present and a Home Land Army was being marched to port to be put on ships and sent to the isles under escort. Now the Azera would wait for a reaction, and they would wait for a party.
Excellent, we will assume our nations are at a tense peace at RP start but prepared to nose dive from there quite quickly. An ill placed comment, an unfortunate incident, collapsed negotiations. Any one of a thousand small things could be a spark to something worse.
I'm going to be aware of the "don't argue." rule and I can see an argument coming. So I'm going to be quiet now. But my nation's military was largely inspired through equivalency with dragonrubby eemmtt and Hounder Howl. The small aircraft are, I grant you my own little bit but that's my main trade off against their nations little additional strengths. But I'm going to let the GM or Co GM rule on it because I'm not going to argue.
Well they aren't over a million strong unless my maths is wrong. By my count, and adding in a vague number for support staff and other duties, there a tad over 900,000 so withing the 1/10 ration recommended, Close to that limit but within that limit. As for the aircraft their a direct equivalent to other nations powers, though admittedly more based on the sea. Steam boilers drive the big things, pressure gas and clock work the little things. Super Air is what allows for it all. It's thematically consistent and I've run it in steam punk worlds before and even torpedoes were around in the Victorian era, jut not used much because there weren't' many of the kinds of war that needed them.

As for your point Missy (sorry our posts overlapped) I imagine you would be opposed to any nation that says all gods are the same god and that god is evil and wants us only to suffer. So I think that might be a good starting point.
Fine, steal it if you can but be aware it's an incredibly closely guarded secret, ludicrously so. But if you pull it off then fine but believe me I'm going to make you work for it and even then you will likely still fail. Be aware though that if my guys manage to trace the theft back then, well, it could get very bloody. Oh though you have given me an idea for an excellent counter intelligence op.

As for the extent of the ISI operation it seems pretty huge already, though admittedly it involves non standard military intelligence things, such as a large RnD wing. For the sake of balance and keeping a decently flowing RP going I'd recommend that you assume all developed nations have a pretty decent counter intelligence machine, though not necessarily a great intelligence gathering machine, if you see what I'm getting at. So the ISI will succeed occasionally but not reliably, especially not with really important things to the other player. That would have to be worked out on an add hoc basis. Otherwise it starts getting like mind reading in smaller scale role plays. I've seen people just walk away from these sorts of things before because spies knew their almost every move so nothing they tried to do had any real point.

So, ISI probably have a few operatives in every other nation but they might not be able to do a huge amount more than get low security stuff or things you just can't keep secret (Like large scale troop movements in inhabited areas) and then you have to think about how you get the message back home. In reality the running the message back bit is what tends to fial the most and get spies caught, as far as I'm aware any way. As for more advanced things like moles in secure wings of the military it might not be a good idea to assume that at the start. More ambitious operations to get high security stuff, kill high ranking figures, sew civil unrest would enjoy a much lower success rate or require real effort and don't be surprised if ISI agents in foreign countries get their doors kicked in and shot on a seemingly random basis.

As for their actions in war, behind the lines sabotage etc I'd recommend a similar approach of "they can do it but randomly and unreliably."

Hopefully that answers your question.
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