Kestrel

Concurrent Roleplays

I've got a roleplay split up in concurrent missions if that counts (also I'm kinda using the char you left in it as an involuntary talking puppet for a desert dragon.) But yeah, it's a fun, if a difficult venture.

The Obsession with High Casual?

Oh come on...

What the conversation arrived (and started) at was that Animus is more about the spirit of 'high-casual' justifying it's use, whereas I think it lacks a measurable definition and consider it redundant because of that. However by agreeing to disagree, it's accepted that people can and are allowed to hold those different perceptions (hint: the exact same conclusion dervish arrived at.) This demonstrates Animus isn't about 'winning' and in this context, I feel the phrase was more about getting to see eye to eye on another topic in the future.

While we're on the topic of semantics, though; you literally can't win a discussion.

The Library

So editing posts it is. I'll do that when I post for Clayman (prolly tomorrow.)

The Library

Oh, right, in case it wasn't clear, Brovo will be taking a break from the Library for personal reasons. I'm not sure how to work Bishop in the background for the time being, so any ideas on that? Besides killing.

The Obsession with High Casual?

Clarification and repetition post it is.

Animus said
I am not trying to mute you nor damn your opinions. This is a discussion, to which I am pointing our the flaws in your first post.

That part was in reference to this;

Animus said that somehow the opinions of some of the people here seem to override the opinions of many others that there is enough space between the standards of Casual and Advanced to fit in 'High Casual'.

Particularly note the word 'override.' Also I didn't say you were trying to mute me, that would make that entire sentence silly. I was denying the reverse, because of the suggestion people with 'my opinion' override the 'opinion' of others.

Animus said You are currently hellbent on insisting the term is useless because it has no fixed definition.

Well, yeah. .

Animus said I can tell you at least, had all the RPs that had 'high casual' were replaced and put in the Advanced, we would see the standards and segregation of Casual and Advanced be slurred and destroyed. The standards of Casual will be lower and Advanced will be bloody full of RPs with extremely wide quality variance.

Which is rather silly because there already exists a huge variety in advanced and has for years. Also could =/= should. Also speculation =/= argument.

Animus said Which you actually might not care for since you're only concerned with the floor. I am simply trying to get you to freaking understand that the floor? Its just the floor. It has little relevance when the median or mean post length is much much much above it.

I understand perfectly what you are saying, I simply think you are wrong. The minimum is what defines the section, not the median, therefore your argument is void. It's the median that has no relevance.

Animus said Or will you honestly agree that with a majority of the Casual population shift to Advanced because they meet the floor requirements? That this would be ideal because then, it would truely fit these specific standards.

I never said or suggested that. In fact I suggested the opposite. Twice. Three times if you count this post.

The Obsession with High Casual?

1.) You say it means greater length, but then why are there threads with a paragraph minimum (casual) and others with two (advanced) and others with three (custom)? You say it means higher quality, but how do you define this quality and more importantly; how do you measure it? Give me actual quantifiers. As is, you are unable to present me with a proper way to define what seperates 'high-casual' from casual and/or advanced. In my experience, the definition of 'High casual' seems to be up to the interpretation of whoever uses it. Hell, I've been in both casual and 'high-casual' RP's a plenty and I can get by just fine writing the exact same posts. I've found it rare to be in a casual RP that doesn't have a majority of it's posts long enough to be in advanced. As a classification, 'high-casual' doesn't mean anything to me.
2.) The floor of advanced is recorded as 2 paragraphs minimum with good spelling and post significance. That's not an opinion.
3.) 'High casual' isn't between casual and advanced. It either adheres the standards for casual, or to those for advanced. Just in the casual section. There is no such thing as a 1.5 paragraph. I mean hell the only inbetweens I can think of are "1 paragraph, perfect grammer" or "2 paragraphs, good grammar." And I'm pretty sure you mean neither of those.

You can villify my post as attempting to mute and then brainwash the masses. However note that I never said you can't mark your game as 'high-casual' and I never said you can't request X standards in Y section (in fact I explicitly mentioned you can.) I just say that it's a meaningless, redundant term and am giving you my reasons why. Which is more because you challenged my post, rather than tryng to mute anyone.

I don't think I have much left to say much besides repeating myself. Oh well.

The Obsession with High Casual?

Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true. A lot of people use the word 'literally' improperly; that doesn't change it's meaning.

Also, genres have clear borders. Medieval Fantasy won't have the U.S.S Enterprise included, because that's outside of it's borders. 'High-casual' on the other hand does not have defined borders, outside the ones that go for the rest of casual too.

The Obsession with High Casual?

Animus said Some roleplays in Casual have 'lower' standards where most CS's are Mary Sues, incorrect grammar and punctuation and some posts so short that they're almost impossible to squeeze the word quality in.

Some 'High Casual' roleplays are more detailed with better use of english than some roleplays in advanced.

This is the one I'm talking about. If it's possible for 'high-casual' to be 'better' than advanced, it seems reasonable to assume 'low-casual' can be 'better' than 'high-casual.'

Also all of casual and even advanced have games with sues and/or bad writing. However this doesn't matter because quality-based segmentation would be far too up to interpretation.

The clear, written difference between casual and advanced is that casual has 1 paragraph minimum and advanced has 2 (oh and use f7 slightly better.) However those are the floor, not the roof. So yes, if you want to fit a roleplay into a category, you just go by minimum post length (and use of f7.) 'High-casual' on the other hand? There's not even a standard for length there. Some just adhere to casual standards, others to advanced. The step is that small.

So if all RP's technically do fit in the labels, and quality isn't consistent or a ruleset, where does 'high-casual' come in?

Look. You want 'advanced games' with a bigger, more chatty audience. Which is a perfectly fine reason to post your game in casual. However it doesn't make the term 'high-casual' anymore meaningful.

The Obsession with High Casual?

Except it doesn't matter.

Yes. It's a commonly used identifier. However, there is a contradiction in your (animus) post that perfectly demonstrates how little meaning it actually has.

Everything Is FANDOM BASED

*checks own RP's*

Nope, all on-going is 'original.'

So it can't be everything. Claim dismissed.

As for originality... Most fantasy worlds we're going to come across will have elves and dwarves. Modern fantasy will hit you with werewolves and sci-fi will very likely be about space travel. Besides, you could make something 'totally original' but it would be very hard to find players because you're trying to sell people things they don't know. This is why we use genres as descriptors to begin with. This is why you always include entry points in the shape of familiar elements, ways for people to grasp the setting. This unoriginality makes RP's work. I mean if I told you we would now be in an RP set in someone's liver and we'd all be like Osmosis Jones trying to prevent the body from getting sick, but with a lot more accurate anatomy, it'd be pretty damn 'original' but nobody would play it because they really wouldn't have a clue what to do. Yet if I say you're all chosen knights to find the 7 crystals in a fantasy setting, I could start an interest check with just that and everyone and their dog would know what to do. Both concepts have the same amount of depth, both have a goal, but I can guarentee the fantasy one will do better.