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Ok. Disbanding American military bases in Japan and Germany. Don't know about Germany, but what this will do is crash the Japanese economy. The Japanese economy sucks in the first place. It's been in a 20 year stagnation. Now, they have to suddenly pay for their own defense. Can you imagine the fear in the typical Japanese wage worker now that the American protective umbrella is gone and their economy is plummeting? You just caused the Great Japanese Depression. Who knows, maybe this is just the thing that is needed to jump start the Japanese economy, some type of ironic nationalistic responsibility thing, but I don't think so.

Is caring about your own well-being and your national problems so important that you're willing to forfeit and harm others by pulling away the normal help you usually give them?

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@The Nexerus
Let me get this straight. Not only do you want us to pull out of Europe, but you want us to pull all our military forces out of South Korea and Japan as well? So basically, you want America to become 1920s and early 1930s isolationist America -- the very same America that allowed Hitler to rise in power?

And you want a President, AKA Donald Trump, that will put us on that road?

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@The Nexerus our goal is to foster the well-being of the nations within our influence as long as we are fit to do so. We have the budget and the revenue to do so. These other countries in that we have military bases in, most of them do not. When they are as prosperous economically as the US, then we should consider pulling out.

@Vilageidiotx

if we are not imperialistic by name, why is it that all our actions show that we are? -- That we do have a responsibility, symbolically and financially to the world's well-being?
Why do we have more aircraft carriers than all the other nations combined? Why do we have such a big budget for humanitarian aid? Why is our professional military such that we can basically dethrone nearly any national leader that we deem unfit?
Don't tell me we do it simply to protect ourselves. We develop a 100 million dollar fighter just so we can protect ourselves better? We fight wars in asia and middle east simply to protect our interests but not the world's interests? We form coalitions with dozens of other countries simply to borrow their military strength in a desperate, sneaky attempt at self-benefit?

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@Vilageidiotx
@The Nexerus
we should be footing the bill. We are the world's most developed country. America is the symbol of world wellness and morality. As such, we should be the ones who should most invest in the well-being of others. It's why we have such a big military -- why members of our military are the most educated soldiers on the planet. For the past sixty years, we have taught ourselves in schools that america's virtuous place in the world is a symbol as well as a real force.

If we suddenly decide that we are no longer responsible for the well-being of others (japan, europe, everywhere else where we have military bases and military presence), we might as well start teaching in our schools that the wars that we've fought since and including World War II (Korean, Vietnam) were also wrong as well. How can we suddenly decide it's no longer our duty or our task when our very history has shown ourselves to be exactly the opposite? When the people in charge of our nation and thus the people who voted those politicians in have decided that we ought to take a very active role in maintaining the world's well-being?

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We should certainly be willing to significantly lower our presence there, or at least consider it.

When it comes to Europe, our presence is wasted money. We're part of NATO, and an invasion of Europe guarantees our involvement no matter what, so whether we maintain a bunch of bases or not isn't incredibly relevant because the invader (in this climate) is totally fucked as soon as they step over the line.

With Japan... China as it currently stands isn't going to risk the economic damage of a war like that, but I suppose you could make the argument that the relationship could shift at some point in the future. I don't know. I'm not going to say that I know we should pull out of Asia because I don't know this. But I do think that we shouldn't be maintaining military bases based on momentum alone. There needs to be a meaningful threat.

@Vilageidiotx

i don't think you make a good argument by saying the existence (or not) of our bases in europe makes no difference if we suddenly need military force in that region (europe)

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should we pull our forces out of japan, too?

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I remembering reading of trump's books. he said he should pull all the american military forces out of europe and rely on the threat of nuclear missiles in order to control europe. do you really want this guy as president?

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