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Civilization Roleplay: Rise of Races (The Tribes of Nova Mondial Want You!)

Sorry I couldn't post earlier, I wanted to but my parents wanted to go out of town for the 4th of July.

Will be posting today soon.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

My feeling on the topic is that for the reason that we don't want nuclear exchanges every few pages and for realism only a few countries should have nuclear weapons. The three US's, the UK, France, China, me, South Asia and the Caliphate are quite enough.

The only reason that the US would need nuclear weapons there is if they were intermediate-range missiles (not ICBMs) and they needed to hit nearby countries. And considering you're in the middle of impoverished Africa with a distinct lack of advanced military might that doesn't seem likely. If I suspend my disbelief on that, however, they would be only capable of hitting other countries in Africa, but that might be enough for your needs.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

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Yeah, but this is thirty-five years in the future. It's probable that the rate of nuclear proliferation was flung into high gear during the onset of WWIII. As the war gradually intensified, and as nuclear weapons were utilized, this proliferation rate might've been dramatically energized.

And if you're a superpower and you're still using uranium to produce nukes, then you've failed to keep pace with your aspiring adversaries. You should be producing pure fusion, antimatter-catalyzed fusion, or pure antimatter warheads at this point.

Ethiopia should at least be able to drum up a few gun-type fission bombs. They don't require plutonium, are comparatively cheap to produce, and don't require a robust technological base to engineer and manufacture--but they're woefully inefficient when compared to more sophisticated nuclear weapon designs. Implosion-type nuclear bombs are an option as well, but they're a fair bit more advanced than their gun-type cousins.

@ASTA

I suppose that's fair. But equally, those countries without well-developed industrial bases wouldn't have the capability to maintain a full-fledged nuclear arsenal. Sure, they could have a sizable collection of bombs (the bomb dropped on Hiroshima of the same type only killed half the city), but hardly silos full of ICBMs and nuclear missile subs patrolling the oceans.

Just as an example. Creating a plutonium (implosion-type) bomb requires a the construction and operation of a breeder reactor, so it's probably equally hard to make as the refined uranium. The only problem with pure fusion is having enough heat to start a fusion reaction without the other nuclear weapon present. You could use a laser or some type of electromagnetic radiation, but then you need enough power to heat all of the hydrogen up at once, and as a result you'd have a bomb surrounded by batteries to the point where it would be obscenely heavy even to drop from a bomber, let alone carry with a missile. Antimatter... you'd either need the aforementioned heaps of batteries or have an attached nuclear reactor just to power the magnetic containment field. And even then, I doubt you'd be able to accumulate the amount necessary for a sizable bomb without it hitting normal matter.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

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I don't think those numbers are accurate for 2050. International oversight and public opinion have both changed. I highly doubt that countries like France and the UK would go through WWIII and then decide not to expand upon their arsenal.

@The Nexerus

Yeah, I just included them as a measure of how much they initially had the moment our timeline diverges. For countries like the former US and myself that have a lot of them, they would not likely have changed. Nuclear weapons are hella expensive to maintain.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

But at least until World War 3, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty and the general trend of less nuclear weapons and developing countries not having the technology would have held in place. Other countries don't have nuclear weapons because of technology, they don't have them because they didn't want to build them and furthermore weren't allowed to. South Africa had nuclear weapons, but they disarmed them and ended their nuclear program due to international pressure. So until World War 3 actually started and the structure of international law fragmented, no nation could have a nuclear program without the treatment that Iran and North Korea are currently subject to, namely massive, economy-crushing sanctions. Regardless of whether or not you have the technology (which would still be a highly guarded secret and would take a few years to work out, as Iran and North Korea have been doing for a decade), it takes a while to refine the uranium required and actually put it into practice as a warhead. There is no way a country like Ethiopia could have nuclear weapons this soon after the war, even if they went straight into developing them the second the war started. In a few years, sure.

Civilization Roleplay: Rise of Races (The Tribes of Nova Mondial Want You!)

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No your fine, I am going to use a character who will be searching for other species. On that note, I will be unable to post until a week after next, I have Scout Camp this one. Sorry for not putting anything out this week, I've been trying to get ready for camp, and haven't found the time to write. I'll be back then.

@Joegreenbeen

The struggle is real.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

In regards to nuclear weapons, first of all in response to Willy's comments that a nuclear war need not be all that entirely annihilating, I would remind you that at least in Russia's case most of their nuclear missiles are multiple independent reentry vehicles (MIRVs) with total yields amounting to 20 or 30 megatons.

Secondly, I think we should establish countries that do and do not have nuclear weapons. The obvious ones:

The Soviet Empire of Greater Russia: ~3000
United Territories of America, Midwestern Commonwealth, SPQA: ~750 each
United Free Peoples of Free Asia: ~300 (probably more, since China is actively adding to their arsenal today and Free Asia is much larger and probably also added whatever weapons North Korea possessed)
French Republic: ~300
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland: ~200
United South Asian Empire: ~200

Other countries likely to possess them at this point:

The Caliphate of Istanbul (let's ignore that Israel would have nuked them in order to remain in existence)
Greater European Confederation (unless they have a stance against them)

Countries that maybe could possess them, but unlikely:

Third Mexican Empire
Kingdom of Neo-Hungaria
Spain

The Sun Will Never Set (A Statisticless NRP)(It had a good run)

9500 characters and I'm about 2/3 to 3/4 done. It's looking like this post of mine might get a wee bit long

I hate to keep delaying it further but it's not going to get done tonight. When my mind is fried like it is now, you wouldn't want to read the typo-ridden garbage that I come up with

@Cyclone

I feel like this RP is going towards a situation where we just PM each other complete novels.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

Us Soviets will probably end up supporting the Dual Monarchists, I reckon.

Age of Rebirth (Post WW3)

Unless there is any further disagreement, these are the terms agreed upon by the Hamburg Peace Conference.

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1. The Caliphate of Istanbul must publicly condemn and discourage all terrorist attacks perpetuated in its name or in the name of Islam.
2. The Caliphate of Istanbul must allow the practice of other religions in private, meaning not in public areas, without persecution.
3. The Caliphate of Istanbul must allow for the existence of an Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople within the city of Istanbul, who will be chosen by the Orthodox faithful but subject to the authority of the Caliphate.
4. The Caliphate must abolish slavery in all forms within its territories.
5. The Islamic Republic of Iran and its government will be formally reinstated and all of its structure retained.
6. Observers will be allowed from the Coalition of Independent Antarctica to investigate human rights abuses in the Caliphate and over the long term ensure compliance with Points 2 and 4.
7. The USAE and Third Mexican Empire must pay reparations to Iran amounting to the damage that was caused by their military forces, as determined by an international committee.
8. The aggressor nations of South Asia and Mexico must withdraw their forces from all occupied territories and end the war, and the Caliphate of Istanbul must comply with the stated proposal, or face sanctions from the powers agreed at the Hamburg Peace Conference.
9. The Third Mexican Empire must publicly state that their declaration of a holy war against the Caliphate was unjustified, a violation of international law and a mistake. Also, the USAE should have a similar public statement concerning their declaration of war and their invasion of Iran.