Quetzalcoatl

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@Quetzalcoatl, So, can I adopt your system?

@Letter Bee

If you want to IC adopt the glorious theories of the Dutch left I can't stop you. I'd rather there be some ic recognition of the system being copied, with or without credit, though.

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@Dinh AaronMk

Sweet, I'll fiddle with things a bit given the suggestions.

As for banks, I honestly don't know enough about them and their operation to reorganize them. I imagine they'd be nationalized and subjected to regulation, but would otherwise operate much as they would in a normal market. While personal investment coops would be powerful enough to promote new business, I doubt they could finance large business endeavors. Banks holding accounts, charging interest, and offering loans seems necessary. The government would be the primary profiteer from interest on loans.

That said, the debt of a company or coop would be the responsibility of its workers in such a system. Perhaps if a debt is untenable interest could be set to zero?

Banks are the hard part. I'll probably think on it a bit more and work on the sheet. In any case there's going to be a staunchly market socialist Netherlands out and about.

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@Dinh AaronMk

Note: Some sections edited.

As you're the great communist pubah in these parts...

I'm thinking of having the Netherlands adopt a social-ish economy after a popular revolution.

My idea is that corporations are retained but the ownership and management of said corporations is entrusted to employees. This way an existing company would still operate for profit, but would equally distribute that profit among its employees. Ceos and executives would be elected from the workers by the workers to manage these companies. These elected leaders would permit centralized operation of the company and would appoint lower level managers whose terms would be equal to the leader who appointed them. State regulation would ensure equal distribution of profit. Small businesses would be managed the same way, but on a smaller scale.

Investment in enterprise would be permitted on a personal basis, usually through the formation of investment blocs that would pool individual capital. Investors in a company would be honorary employees of that company and thus would be entitled to its shared profits alongside their own companies.

Financial and strategic institutions would be nationalized and managed by a central bureaucracy composed of party leaders. Workers in these industries would be fairly compensated for their labour as deemed appropriate by party officials.

Taxes, tariffs, and the like would be managed by the party bureaucracy. Companies would be free to conduct business and trade abroad through an intermediary party trade commission. This intermediary would be responsible for the negotiation of fair deals with foreign organizations and states.

Politically this new quasi socialist state would believe in revolution and equality, but would retain the colonies while acting to develop them and instill a sense of shared nationality.

Obviously there would be some limited inequality as successful investors would receive double or more income in shared profits, but this would be considered a fair reward for prudent decision making. The more successful Dutch industries the better!

The real corruption would be in state owned enterprise, as compensation would be set by the state. Most members of the party would employed by its enterprise.

Thoughts? It's just a rough idea at the moment so feel free to offer suggestions and ooc/ic insights regarding the rp.

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@Dinh AaronMk@Shyri

So I was doing some reading and it seems like the Netherlands was at something of a crises point in 1917, the balancing act of neutrality having almost started a famine. IRL as the war was close to ending the country managed to cut some quick deals with the entente and got food relief before revolutionary sentiment overflowed.

I'm thinking there might have been a socialist revolution around 1919/1920.

If that was the case I can see two options:

1. The already deployed 200,000 man army crushes the revolution and either (a supports the unpopular and failing states general or b) performs a coup and forms a military government.

2. The army mutinies and alongside the socialists overthrows the government and establishes a socialist state.

In all cases Dutch neutrality would be preserved given the circumstances, but I'd like to know your ooc and ic opinions.

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@Dinh AaronMkYou probably know more than I do, I'll take a few days and read up on the Netherlands before/during WW1 before settling on anything specific then.

From what you described I might think about there having been a coup or revolution during or shortly after the great war. Food shortages, refugees, rioting, seems possible something happened there. Especially if the war lasted so long.

As for the merchant fleet, that would be a significant issue. I'll have to rethink the situation in the colonies.

Hm.

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@Dinh AaronMk

Big thanks. I'll try and work up a sheet on my phone while I wait for Amazon to send me a new charger for my laptop.

So far I'm thinking that the Netherlands managed to do fairly well after the great war given it had been spared the wars ravages on manpower and personnel. While still suffering from the depression in Europe the Dutch managed to make a pretty penny off oil, rubber, and other cash crops or resources from the east indies and managed to get through the worst of it.

With that I'd say the depression in Europe promoted significant Dutch immigration to the colonies for work, something which helped to solidify the Netherlands rule. Moreover the depression saw the ethical policy weakened, something that likely damaged the formation of Indonesian national consciousness as was the case in reality.

I'm thinking the current situation in the Europe would be a fairly rich but militarily lacking Netherlands while the state of affairs in the colonies would be one of increasing dissent. I imagine the bulk of the Dutch military would be in the colonies at rp start as a result of this.

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@Vilageidiotx In that case I'll submit an application when I'm able (no computer at the moment, I'll probably have access to one in the next few days) and include Suriname/The East Indies. Up to you guys if you accept it.

Would you be willing to reserve the area on the map until a decision is made or my app is out?

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Is the Netherlands open?

Seems like it'd be fun. I imagine it'd still have the east indies and Suriname?

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@LmpkioAh, shame.

Oh well, hope you join as something/someone.

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@LmpkioNeato.

I should have a plot/post out soon