Sathanas Rex

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

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Florian can't get a fast enough stab from his parry position though, so Brennus can get out of his range by stepping backwards while disengaging.

A cut can be parried right after disengaging, while the chance of a grab is obviously rendered null no matter what.

@Vordak

This is true! I've seen incredibly skilled fencers do something like that, even from such an off-balance position like a gran passata. Florian is still at an advantage in this situation, because he could press forward aggressively, but it's definitely not an instant kill. Good catch.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I saw a longsword was in his inventory, so I thought he knew how to use it and so I could do that D: oh dear. I'm sorry again, it seems this battle was flawed from the start.

I see your attack as a lunge, because of that range. If it is a lunge in gran passata, then I'm confident my counter is the textbook one, because it's been taught/used against me. If it's not a lunge, then I still don't quite understand.

edit: yeah, there have definitely been imprecisions in my posts. If you want we can restart from zero and I'll do my best to be detailed.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

There are still some misunderstandings on my part then. I'm saying that the specific attack you used is not really cautionary, because of its long range. It's what happens when you move the back leg to accompany an attack. You kind of fly forward, to cover that much ground, and can be easily parried, even from an invite. It's an all out attack. It is because of this attack that I felt I could parry and move into a counter.

I understand you didn't want to throw yourself in an all out attack right off the bat. The fact you mentioned bringing the right leg forward to offer you extra momentum is what confused me. So if you re-word that attack slightly, I'll delete my post and think about the next best move.

I'd like this to be friendly, and for the spar to finish cleanly. I apologize if I've come across as needlessly stubborn or greedy haha.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I disagree, taking into mind the nature of his attack. If I understand what you're saying, of course.

The thing about it is that as Brennus' attack completes, he's been parried by Florian. To take any further action, Brennus needs to now bring his left foot forward to re-balance himself, considering how far ahead his right foot is. At this point, Florian has control of his sword arm. This is what I mean by the attack being slow.

And at this point, there's not a lot Brennus can do.

Even if he does jerk his arm back or sideways while off balance, his position doesn't change. Florian at this point can stab him anywhere he chooses.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

okay, I read correctly ^^ Glad that's settled.

My reply is correct. The thing with that attack is it cannot really be launched carefully. You said it yourself, the range of that attack is huuuge. And because of it, it's 'slow', as in takes more time to complete than Florian's intercept. He has all the time to parry it and connect his grapple. I've had the same thing done to me when I attacked into an invite normally, let alone in gran passata.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I am stepping into the attack with a parry, so both of you are correct. In my head I took it for granted it was a two hand grip, it being a broadsword. Florian could have easily parried it with two hands and then freed a hand for grappling, or he could have executed the parry with one hand. But yes, this is true, I never mentioned it. My bad, once again.

And I think I see the misunderstanding. In my head I saw this: Brennus stands in plow guard, left foot forward, right foot back and turned. Then during the attack, the right foot comes forward, accompanying the sword's downward strike. Is this incorrect?

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Also correct. This results naturally from the parry I described -- but the fault is still mine because I did not explain it.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Yeah, I see the issue with the technical terms, I'll drop them in favor of the most accurate description I can think of.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes in the posts. I'll re-read everything and address point by point.

Maybe I made a mistake somewhere, I'll re-read my post, but I'm fairly certain Brennus moved forward on his dominant foot (right foot)

You are correct, he moved with his right foot. In the previous post, however, his left foot was behind, due to the guard.

His left side faced his opponent while his right foot was back and turned

in the first post

An attack executed like that does what you wanted it to do: gives you extra reach. But it does take more time to complete than simply an attack.

Also, you're going to take Brennus' head off with a wooden longsword? That's remarkable.

not really, sorry. That was more the way Florian thinks, very dramatic and the like.

You also just effortlessly parried a two handed attack with one hand

This is my mistake as I didn't specify anywhere he was holding the sword in two hands. I also didn't specify he was holding it in one hand, though. I apologize.

Read everything again, you also had your character step forward on his left hand side, in response to an attack to his left shoulder? Maybe it's just me, but that seems counter-intuitive to effectively parrying a strike that by all rights is going to be more effective than your defence.

On the contrary, he's stepping into the attack to parry it and position himself in grappling range.

I didn't mean to turn your words to my favor. I know that a similar attack is difficult to execute cautiously, because of the momentum the back foot offers, so I countered it with the most natural counter to it. There probably has been a misunderstanding on this front. I did read your post carefully and play out the movements before writing a response.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Passatas are footwork, yes. A gran passata is when you move your non-dominant foot forward and then follow that with an attack, like what Brennus did. It lets you shoot forward great distances, but is also somewhat unwieldy.

As long as what's happening is understandable, everything is fine, then.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I'm sorry @Vordak, I had your same concern, which is why I had a few people read it over. They seemed to understand it. I think I also described what I was doing, not just using fencing terminology. For example here

Brennus moved his right foot forward, striking in gran passata towards his left shoulder. A gran passata allowed the fighter to cover large distances, but was difficult to control.

I think I explained what a gran passata is, by adding that sentence. Same with Florian's passata, I specify he moves his left, non-dominant, foot forward, like Brennus did, except without the attack at the end.

A beat is a fencing technique yes, but it is also used as a measure of time, like in many other combat sports. This may be my fault though, perhaps I didn't use the correct english term to translate it?

And about the fist position, I suppose you are correct. I will say here second position is with the palm of the hand facing downwards, so Florian's sword is horizontal, point facing left, protecting his upper body. I will also edit that into the IC for clarity.

However you are correct, and your rant is justified. I'm glad this fight at least has spectators ;D

@Melonhead I'm sorry, if you're having the same issues I will go and edit things more.

edit: let me just get rid of that fist position thing. I can see why issues would arise. Anyway, all this has been edited, so you should be able to read it without googling anything.