LetsFlyJorick said
That's great. I'm glad I caused you some awkwardness.
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So we all agree then.
It can be a means of taking power but it's entirely situational and has a lot of negative repercussions such as being a demonstration that goes entirely against the values of a altruistic, egalitarian, co-operative and healthy society.
It can be a means of taking power but it's entirely situational and has a lot of negative repercussions such as being a demonstration that goes entirely against the values of a altruistic, egalitarian, co-operative and healthy society.
mdk said
I think you misunderstand. I'm arguing that violence is the cornerstone of legitimate authority. When I said 'Prison is the humane alternative,' I meant it sardonically. As in, 'Look what being nice got you.' It's a hellish cess-pool where stronger, more violent men seize powers that we, in our civil discretion, refused to take.
Aw okay. I say voilence can be a form of legitimate authority, but it truly comes down to power which can be enacted through altruistic means as well, as stances of authority are entirely situational.
Revans Exile said
Look at human history.
History is nothing more than biased recordings of past events. It's not a science and therefore fails to give any objective understanding on anything. Using history as a means to justify your views is literally using non-evidence to produce a non-objective opinion that upholds and re-enforces various inaccurate assumptions/dualities without any consultation of sociology, psychology and evolutionary human biology. Which are the appropriate fields of study to actually determine something worth reading on this topic without resorting to utterly disregarding your views.
mdk said
Not at all. Prison is the humane, non-violent alternative to physical punishment. Its failure is evidence in my favor.
Prison presents both physical, mental and emotional punishment by exposing offenders to other offenders and having them live with each other in confined spaces. The only known way a man reforms in prison is through religion, which is by chance the only cultural norm within the prison that enforces values that aren't "power through conflict" based and criminal by our standards.
To say Prison is humane because it's not outright official torture or capital punishment is saying a 2nd degree burn isn't painful because of the instance of a 3rd degree burn. It's still in the "punishment" direction.
Voilence isn't necessary and in the long run you may know the actions of a person by the fruits of their shortcomings. But here's why it poses as a good short term solution.
It can empower said person, or state, or faction. It's a tool/method that's capable and readily used within the spectrum of human behaviour. It's not always a necessary "evil" because quite frankly if the US invaded a Polynesian island with voilence, the natives rising up in arms would leave them worse off than if they simple sat with their thumbs up their backsides. Why? Because the threshold of how much power over your environment voilence can supply is much lower for the natives than it would be for the US.
But say the US was going against Qutar, and instead of using militant means to fight against the US, Qutar simply said "cheap oil" to either the US, or someone with equal militant strength. The war ends with a snap. Was their voilence? No. But there was a gained position in power.
It's not voilence that solves the problem, it's the ability to disempower the conflicting party through which voilence provides that matters, and you can do this with other means than voilence. It's less "should voilence be fought with voilence" and more "How do I achieve a position of power equal and/or higher than that of my opponent, and what traits to I currently have that would do so.".
Asking a 90lb bookworm to go fisty cuffs with a 200lb jock is retarded.
The problematic duality that we hold that "voilence is neccessary because alternatives" don't always work is because the alternatives we have in a competitive based world is bullshit. Economics is built in a way that naturally breeds conflict of interest and will manifest into seperations, segregations and divides of all kinds. It's an exclusionary based profit model. It's why you'll see countries war it out, and it's why you'll see those same values of "dog eat dog" power play trickle down our cultural ladders to the playgrounds. Alternatives like open discussion and more altruistic building exercises are great in building bonds and allowing people to disarm without feeling vulnerable. But when dealing with a bully you're already dealing with someone who still feels vulnerable in these kinds of situations, who still values power as it's more prioritized in his set of adopted cultural values, and is reflective of repeated exposure to environments where he probably has to utilize or abide by these social presets. To say "hey now be friends, hold hands and let's talk it out, school is a safe place, go make daisy chains" is all nice and good, but at most cases it won't work because the bully won't see any need to change his behaviour and his current behaviour will still probably be re-enforced elsewhere.
So, in order to beat the bully without using voilence, you must do it in a manner that comes from a position of power, something he recognizes. After his submission, which is hard again if he's exposed to conflicting environments, will you be able to better handle remoulding his behaviour to one that's more altruistic and representative of an egalitarian, open culture.
It can empower said person, or state, or faction. It's a tool/method that's capable and readily used within the spectrum of human behaviour. It's not always a necessary "evil" because quite frankly if the US invaded a Polynesian island with voilence, the natives rising up in arms would leave them worse off than if they simple sat with their thumbs up their backsides. Why? Because the threshold of how much power over your environment voilence can supply is much lower for the natives than it would be for the US.
But say the US was going against Qutar, and instead of using militant means to fight against the US, Qutar simply said "cheap oil" to either the US, or someone with equal militant strength. The war ends with a snap. Was their voilence? No. But there was a gained position in power.
It's not voilence that solves the problem, it's the ability to disempower the conflicting party through which voilence provides that matters, and you can do this with other means than voilence. It's less "should voilence be fought with voilence" and more "How do I achieve a position of power equal and/or higher than that of my opponent, and what traits to I currently have that would do so.".
Asking a 90lb bookworm to go fisty cuffs with a 200lb jock is retarded.
The problematic duality that we hold that "voilence is neccessary because alternatives" don't always work is because the alternatives we have in a competitive based world is bullshit. Economics is built in a way that naturally breeds conflict of interest and will manifest into seperations, segregations and divides of all kinds. It's an exclusionary based profit model. It's why you'll see countries war it out, and it's why you'll see those same values of "dog eat dog" power play trickle down our cultural ladders to the playgrounds. Alternatives like open discussion and more altruistic building exercises are great in building bonds and allowing people to disarm without feeling vulnerable. But when dealing with a bully you're already dealing with someone who still feels vulnerable in these kinds of situations, who still values power as it's more prioritized in his set of adopted cultural values, and is reflective of repeated exposure to environments where he probably has to utilize or abide by these social presets. To say "hey now be friends, hold hands and let's talk it out, school is a safe place, go make daisy chains" is all nice and good, but at most cases it won't work because the bully won't see any need to change his behaviour and his current behaviour will still probably be re-enforced elsewhere.
So, in order to beat the bully without using voilence, you must do it in a manner that comes from a position of power, something he recognizes. After his submission, which is hard again if he's exposed to conflicting environments, will you be able to better handle remoulding his behaviour to one that's more altruistic and representative of an egalitarian, open culture.
1. I'm honestly a little disappointed in you. Not because you should do all I say or justify my world views, but because you never left and came back a better person. You just left and came back, I really thought I got through to you when we spoke and your disappearance spoke to me as progress in the right direction.
2. We were friends, and you're insecure. You build an ego easily to protect yourself and like so much in your life you seem happy to sit in a comfort zone and re-enforce that. I'm not judging, it's sometimes the best you can hope from others and honestly it gives you direction. But, you cared far too much about politics here and politics here aren't worthwhile, they're useless. But you traded someone who genuinely looked up to you, and worse of all you let that ego of yours blind sight you into actually believing the obviously satirical front I put on for humour. You're an idiot.
3. You need to stop hiding from a front of "intellect". You're damaged and you avoid expressing it. You also say you don't care a lot, so my instant impression is that you do. You have a real passion for this place but it would be healthy, and offer more if you cared less of what people think of you here and just work on the parts you're passionate about.
4. You've grown up a shit tonne, I'm proud.
5. Likewise chicka.
6. I know you're fake, I know you're not the person you claim to be. But you've always been kind and i'd never judge you for hiding your real self, nor would I judge you for revealing it.
7. I miss you from time to time, but honestly I see this is as a thing that's not too negative. You left and I did, I came back briefly and so did you at some point. We don't nearly engage here anymore, and if we don't interact with each other again then hey, i'm happy to of known you. I just worry you're in a bad place right now, it would reassure me to get a response from you but, honestly I can't be bothered pushing for one because you'd end up taking it in a way that would set a frame i'm just not willing to have with you, I also don't see you emotionally capable of having it any other way and that just ain't me.
8. Two Blonde Gymnasts and I hadn't slept in 48 hours, I had just gotten money from my "Mommy" right in front of them, and I had the image of a sack of potatoes. Suck it big guy.
9. You will always be a negative twisted fuck and that's why nobody will love you. Learn to be humble and stop torturing yourself. Or I dunno be less lazy but jesus just stop plaguing people with your shit.
10. I adore you. I feel anxious when i'm around you because it's been so long since we spoke and you deserve more. I feel we both kinda left you here and I want to hug you and have fun with you. You're one of the most authentic people i've met and you've shown yourself to be the most intimately human. I respect you for your courage and I yearn for you to use it and grow.
11. You are a twisted bitch, you're a conglomerate of daddy issues and people's attention because you live in a world of pedestals. And when you're 30 and having realized you spent your good years wondering why nobody is grovelling like they should while you go try and fuck other guys, you'll realize "oh hey I suck" and it'll be too late.
12. I actually pity you. You're your own worst enemy, and while we may of had clashes of personality I see you as a husk of the person you once were and I dont' see you growing to change these things. I hope you do, you really aren't the cunt you'd like to think you are, you should maybe consider reading Eckharte Tolle some time and applying it to yourself.
13. What day is it?
14. Hang in there buddy.
15. I'll make amends with you one day grumpy pumpskins.
2. We were friends, and you're insecure. You build an ego easily to protect yourself and like so much in your life you seem happy to sit in a comfort zone and re-enforce that. I'm not judging, it's sometimes the best you can hope from others and honestly it gives you direction. But, you cared far too much about politics here and politics here aren't worthwhile, they're useless. But you traded someone who genuinely looked up to you, and worse of all you let that ego of yours blind sight you into actually believing the obviously satirical front I put on for humour. You're an idiot.
3. You need to stop hiding from a front of "intellect". You're damaged and you avoid expressing it. You also say you don't care a lot, so my instant impression is that you do. You have a real passion for this place but it would be healthy, and offer more if you cared less of what people think of you here and just work on the parts you're passionate about.
4. You've grown up a shit tonne, I'm proud.
5. Likewise chicka.
6. I know you're fake, I know you're not the person you claim to be. But you've always been kind and i'd never judge you for hiding your real self, nor would I judge you for revealing it.
7. I miss you from time to time, but honestly I see this is as a thing that's not too negative. You left and I did, I came back briefly and so did you at some point. We don't nearly engage here anymore, and if we don't interact with each other again then hey, i'm happy to of known you. I just worry you're in a bad place right now, it would reassure me to get a response from you but, honestly I can't be bothered pushing for one because you'd end up taking it in a way that would set a frame i'm just not willing to have with you, I also don't see you emotionally capable of having it any other way and that just ain't me.
8. Two Blonde Gymnasts and I hadn't slept in 48 hours, I had just gotten money from my "Mommy" right in front of them, and I had the image of a sack of potatoes. Suck it big guy.
9. You will always be a negative twisted fuck and that's why nobody will love you. Learn to be humble and stop torturing yourself. Or I dunno be less lazy but jesus just stop plaguing people with your shit.
10. I adore you. I feel anxious when i'm around you because it's been so long since we spoke and you deserve more. I feel we both kinda left you here and I want to hug you and have fun with you. You're one of the most authentic people i've met and you've shown yourself to be the most intimately human. I respect you for your courage and I yearn for you to use it and grow.
11. You are a twisted bitch, you're a conglomerate of daddy issues and people's attention because you live in a world of pedestals. And when you're 30 and having realized you spent your good years wondering why nobody is grovelling like they should while you go try and fuck other guys, you'll realize "oh hey I suck" and it'll be too late.
12. I actually pity you. You're your own worst enemy, and while we may of had clashes of personality I see you as a husk of the person you once were and I dont' see you growing to change these things. I hope you do, you really aren't the cunt you'd like to think you are, you should maybe consider reading Eckharte Tolle some time and applying it to yourself.
13. What day is it?
14. Hang in there buddy.
15. I'll make amends with you one day grumpy pumpskins.
ActRaiserTheReturned said
The arrogance of Adam's children is astounding.There is a wisdom and there is a knowledge. A deficient enough wisdom may result in a loss of knowledge. Our ancestors were probably in someways smarter than us.Whether we are living in teepees with bows and arrows and tomahawks and wear eagle's feathers or whether we using computer guided missiles and have cloning technology, super computers and the internet doesn't matter. Just because our far off ancestors way into the BC era didn't have MacDonalds, electricity and running water, didn't mean they were idiots.
Adam slept with his own daughters, and somehow managed to get passed the whole "Need at least 10,000 of the same species not to die out/horrifically mutate", so if I'm coming across arrogant, take it as a result of generations of inbreeding.
Also, I didn't say they were idiots. I'm saying that they literally did not have the knowledge or where exposed to the information today to build a language that was reflective to that, and instead of updating our language and the associations given with it we keep to it and the silly obsolete customs they had then. Out with the old, in with the new.
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