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Oh boy! This made more polarizing views than I expected.

Lemme just put a run down on things for y'all.

Dervish and Nex are right about the polls,although the most recent means avg of all polls this week suggest a 51% for yes, it could be a rogue. Either way it's becoming neck and neck.

As for the economy!

UK has around 63 million people in it, and is for the most part a "service" based job sector market. It used to be heavy on production of goods and so forth however that's slowly dying. What's bad about that is that the service based industry is one that directly competes with the like of the "less than humanely paid" Indian service based sector, so it's not a great start to begin with. The means in which companies are trying to tackle this is automation, which means less and less service wage jobs anyway, so even that job sector is dwindling.

Now, note that when it comes to job sectors, you could view it like a russian doll of venn diagrams, with size equating to the money involved in these areas - in all countries, it will go something like this...

Finance (Banks and such, lots of money, pouring into the things that should matter) -> Resource (Like mining, drilling, farming and agriculture, shit - any thing that's about bringing goods to the world) -> Engineering/Manufacturing (The processing of these goods) -> Management (Business shit! Office work!) -> (Service goods: People providing service to one another) -> (Public Spending) -> (Research)

Now, that's to do with the amount of money, and all i'm trying to show is that money flows from one job sector to another for a reason.

If you were to see what number of people were actually employed by these areas, you would see that service comes basically on top.

Why?

Because way back in the ye olden days, engineers needed other people to manually manufacture things. Now, engineers only need a few dozen machines to do it, at twice the speed, and a quarter of the price.

So, the question isn't so much Economics, but economics that provide a flow of capital to the majority of people, and service industry isn't very highly paid as it is.

And even that's going, due to things like self-check outs in Tesco. Basically, with the current rules of needing to have money for goods, technology is actually fucking with our jobs, and the UK, is a service industry dependant job market country, with any actual economic value being made by moving money from country to country in finance/trade, and a fraction of that only going to the dying bastion called the service industry.

Why does this have to do with scottish independance?

Scotland, is almost 5 million strong, or is 8.4% of the UK, we only represent 4.1% of the representatives in the house of commons however, which coupled with our vastly opposing political leanings and literal inability to actually produce an effective change in any general election (save one in the 1960's i think). So, as our own sovereign nation, this is pretty poor show. People find this a little disempowering.

In terms of tax, we produce about 21.7% of the UK's tax spendings, which shows we subsidies the rest of the UK, despite being returned with a zeitgeist view that we're all "subsidy junkies" (to quote Lord Monckton, former UKIP MP) and are getting subsidized by England, people find this a little insulting.

In terms of Economics, we often get told, less now, but definitely in the past that "Scotland would fail on it's own", that it's too small, too weak, not matured, not skilled, and having a sustainable economic foundation. I put this primarily to indirect bias being broadcasted from London based BBC, with well meaning ignorance being the case for it, but it's had it's effect and yes voters like me do all identify that this is an underlying tone we've been brought up with, and that it's only been recently as this country has started to get extremely involved with the referendum that we're identifying this as not true. A lot of us correlate this to explain why identifying as being "Scottish" has often connotated to rooting for the underdog. Because media in many ways has always portrayed us as that. A lot of the yes voters have felt they've been lied to.

And this is why.

With only being 8.4% of the UK population, we have...

32% of the land area.

61% of the sea area.

90% of surface fresh water.

65% of north sea natural gas.

96% of north sea crude oil.

47% of coal production.

81% of untapped coal reserves.

62% of timber production.

46% of total forest area.

60% of fish landings on scottish vessels.

55% of UK fish landings in scottish waters.

30% of beef agriculture.

20% of sheep agriculture.

10% of pig agriculture.

9% of the dairy production.

15% of cereal holdings.

and 20% of potatoes!

Not bad for 8.4% of the population!

So we're instantly better off than the rest of the UK in terms of resource economics (the job sector that brings money to other areas as I mentioned above), the second we become independant.

We get told often we're just stuck with Oil and it'll run out and we're stupid for relying on it (despite countres going to war for this stuff and places like america and russia HEAVILY going head to head for that exact kind of resource), we're still cutting off far more losses than actual gains if we go independent from that little tid bit alone.

And I didn't even have to mention that despite being only roughly 1% of the whole of the European Population, we have...

25% of Europe's Tidal Energy Production Potential.

25% of Europe's offshore Wind Energy Potential.

10% of Europes Wave Potential.

A big tourism industry

and an even bigger whisky industry (China is our biggest client, china is fucking huge).

So, to those who say that Yes voters are idiots, i'd like for them to come up with any valid point as to why. ;D
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xenon said
Genetics influencing political ideologies sounds like silly talk. Perhaps correlations can be found in studies of limited extensiveness, but correlation can be found anywhere. I'm sure the topic will spawn some interesting discussion and posts, but the heart of matter is complete tripe.


Actually, to denounce it completely on correlation is equally silly talk, what's important is the method of measurement in this study, that way you can see if the correlation is isolate or holistic.
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Jorick said
The veritable mountains of school girl themed porn says otherwise.


And here I was thinking "School Girl themed porn is a weirdly named mountain range"
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Dude nobody is going to find conclusive proof over 100 years after the incident, and considering it's the daily mail, that should leave yoself thinking "holy fuck this isn't important", as nothing what those guys say is right, infact - it's probably the opposite if they say so.

In saying that however, this shouldn't be outright shot down, it should be peer reviewed.
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Magic Magnum said
In other words, not using unethical testing?


Yeah basically, but my term was more a broad "Don't proof things at the expense of others", with the only expense allowed being "someone is proven wrong here".
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