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Magic Magnum said
Eh... maybe.Canada is only still influenced by the Queen cause we left peacefully.America left with a pool of blood and the Queen has zero influence in their legal system anymore.


The queen has no real power that wouldn't simply be rejected.
Rare: The queen has nothing to do with it. If we went independent, we'd still hold fealty to the queen.

Edit:

Actually on second thoughts this would of been pretty awesome too.
Halo said
.I was about to say, exactly the same as the Orange Order and that all over again. It's sad. People just use stuff like this as an excuse for violence and antisocial behaviour, just like they do with football and protestant vs. catholic and all that shite.


Yeah man. It's shit. I hate the idea of any of the no voters I hold dear to me being brandished with the same brush because of these wankers.
It hurts the message of the average no voter. I think in these times we need to come together and remember that we're on the same team. Right winged protestant neo nazi's that have the odacity to call themselves the Scottish Defense League while they openly burn scottish flags is abhorrant. I hope the yes voters don't retaliate, and I hope that the average no voters come forward to drown this out. This could be divisive, and both sides don't need this.

The fucking orange lodge man.
Halo said
I'm bitter? I'm not the one issuing warnings and threats. Scribz, I just posted talking about how the fractures between Yes and No need to be healed so that Scotland can continue forward, continue with this incredible public participation in politics, and make positive changes for itself. I condemned holding onto grievances which won't help to heal those fractures, but I agreed with you on all other points. And I regret that the leader of the opposite party has resigned and acknowledge his political talent, his contribution to this country which I am very proud of too. I think that's less bitter a reaction than still holding those grudges, which will only hold negotiations back and make finding a positive solution for everyone more difficult. :/ If it seemed as if I was being bitter, I wasn't. As I said, the current status quo is a broken system that needs to be fixed. Believe me, the current government's decisions, and Westminster's decisions in the past, have had extremely negative effects on my life and on others', and I have my own problems with the current system for that. But I also believe that now is the most malleable time for change in my lifetime, and possibly for the remainder of my lifetime too - and that holding grudges and anger close to heart will only serve to fracture the Scottish population within itself, and the British population as a whole, and will mean that negotiations focus on each state trying to screw the others and look after itself rather than us all working together to make a better situation for everyone. People have to come to the table open, and people have to stay politically involved - that is what I believe and what I expressed, and I don't see any bitterness in that. Perhaps I expressed myself poorly before.


Okay, that's fair.

But I have no qualms with the no voters, they agree with me on 99.9% of the scottish narrative. We all want more powers, they so happen to believe to be able to get them in the UK. I'm wary, but i'm very happy to respect and join them on the matter. I think Salmond left with integrity, and also quite strategically, to allow a new face to arise in what could potentially be a flash referendum in the next decade, if the 1970's is to repeat itself.

I also agree with you that the state needs to change, but they won't change until electorial force is placed, my "threats" aren't voilent, nor are they something that is localized to yes voters, or to the rest of the UK for that matter. This change in dynamic is the best possible solution to uprooting a lot of the fallacy within the system in place, for the benefit of the whole of the UK. I'm not whining about the vote, nor am I hating on the rest of the country, any yes voter who does do that is abhorrent. So, to do your part, don't try and polarize the two of us, as you put it - 19th of September is the day scotland reunites, and i'm happy to be a part of that.
I won't cut my grievances with the westminister state. I'm very happy with the movement on both yes and no sides to want more autonomy for scotland, and i'm more than happy about Westminister also equally seeing that scotland has less effect on english laws, as that's not fair. As for your warning, it took us a divide across the country before westminister considered new powers, and both yes and no are now looking to them to get new powers, that's the only reason they're doing this now. If they do.

A decentralized body of governments across the whole of the UK is fundementally my want, I'm not a nationalist.

You're extremely bitter about all of this for entirely personal reasons, and it's ugly.
darkwolf687 said
So, apparently Scotland rejects independence, I just read several sides reporting its a No, and another article says Salmond and Sturgeon have conceded defeatMy congratulations to both sides and their voters up north. I urge Scots to ensure Westminsters toes are held against the fire to ensure that they deliver on their promises.


Oh don't you worry.

We might of lost independence but the mass cry of both yes and no voters for a radical change, may just bring us the radical devolution our country, north and south, deserve <3
It was a good referendum, and I'm personally proud at how this rekindled politics in my country, outcome regardless. The people chose to remain a part of the UK, and i'm one to respect that. However, I hope the results have at least landed a warning to Westminister, as there's now a great movement in the people of Scotland for independence, that will not subside if austerity doesn't.

Scotland remains a part of the UK, let's try and make it the best Scotland possible.
Larfleeze said
When will this trash be over so we can talk about my birthday the day after.


Never, since nobody cares about your birthday in a FREE INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND.

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