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5 yrs ago
Current For all ya’ll trying to stir the shit pot tonight, I suggest you simply walk away from each other before trouble happens. I assure you that my banhammer is much bigger than your shit spoons.
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6 yrs ago
I love you 3,000. D:
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6 yrs ago
Some people in the status bar are itching for trouble. Check yourselves before I wreck yourselves. (Only warning I'm going to give to cool it.)
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6 yrs ago
I’m an adult. (Not late to the party - I just like to make an entrance. ) /disappoint
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6 yrs ago
Happy new year to everyone from here in NYC! :D
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@Buddha Perhaps then you should make a request of the mods since they are here and active to move this topic to the Suggestions forum and pin it. As well as linking the posts where people are spatting with each other to be deleted from the thread. People need to report more, so let us start here with getting the bickering posts out the topic and this moved to a place and pinned where it will be more likely seen and less likely forgotten in the long run.


I'll move the topic. It seems like a logical suggestion.

And, as always, please do report problems. When in doubt, do so directly to me -- I'll happily deal with whatever needs doing.
@Sherlock Holmes then that leaves us at an impasse here. I'll pretend I believe that when Mahz returns he can at least use this thread as a measure of what is important to the community perhaps. But the realist in me knows that this thread will be left to gather dust and never read by Mahz if we abandon it now. So I'd rather continue to discuss grievances even if we know ahead of time that they can't be fixed now. Or ever.


By all means continue discussing. I certainly don't mind active discussions, so long as they don't become shitstorms. (Because then I have to close the thread and that's no fun for anyone.)

Carry on.
@Sherlock Holmes I suppose that I understand the pro's and con's of laying low. It's certainly more preferable and inspires (haha, this sounds dumb, but it's true) a sense of awe and seriousness when you do appear to make your presence known. Not that that works on everyone, but for newer members or members that treat this forum very seriously, it might. But I suppose that there also needs to be a trade off. You can't have a team full of moderators that are low key, busy or inactive, and then maintain that and expect it to work. You guys made a right step with Mag Lev I think. But you need a few more Mag Lev's in terms of activity. And I also feel like you need someone that is more willing to take a hardline and put his foot down every once in a while. But I can't be too sure. To be honest, you guys have become kind of a meme in terms of how much we can depend on you, and that's not really in the positive way. I'm sure you would like to turn that around and become known for dependability.

Your explanation to the capacity of what moderators can do explains a lot, I think. It isn't an excuse for why most moderators are so inactive, but it excuses why nothing ever seems to change on this website. But it seems that like before it leads me back to the same point. Why wasn't this communicated to us properly? It seems like if we were made more aware of these type of limitations, it'd have prevented a lot of headache. Failure to communicate is still failure.

It also begins to explain perhaps why the community is failing. Changes cannot be made without Mahz, who isn't here. But these changes are required to fix, fundamentally, the guild. I take it you agree with me on that, at least.

I guess your priorities make sense, to me, somewhat. But I have to say I don't like how you guys characterize yourself as janitors. This removes the burden of interaction with the community and as a result alienates you from us (even more than you already have). Whether or not interaction and engaging the community is part of your 'job description' seems irrelevant to me. You are a moderator not because you get paid, you are a moderator because (I presume) you enjoy the community and/or have connections to it somehow. To me that means you also need to take that extra step of being and remaining a part of the community. And that doesn't mean every moderator needs to be an active engaging member, but I'd say it at least means that the staff consists of some people that are actually involved in the community and are aware of whatever is happening inside the community. Again, ivory tower. Previous answers by other mods have only reinforced the idea to me that there is an ivory tower.

Disclosing what you guys do or not isn't really something I care about. I'm not looking for a message every time you move a thread or ban someone. But a statement regarding what you just described as to moderator priorities is definitely something I'd consider worthwhile mentioning.

But in the end all of that still comes down to Mahz' absence being kind of a stick in the wheel. And that sucks because it's an issue that I feel could be easily alleviated had he taken the precaution to foresee this situation and anticipate it and share some power with someone else (you, for example) that made running the guild easier while he was absent. At the moment RPG sounds like a monarchy without a monarch.

Is there any communication at all with Mahz? I know I saw him in the discord once, and Hank mentioned he had to check his skype, and mahz mentioned that he didn't use skype anymore (something like that). Seems to indicate that there's not a whole lot if any contact with Mahz. Seems.. really inefficient and stupid.


I can agree with the majority of this. (More or less.)

I have Mahz as a Facebook friend, but he doesn't seem to be on there often either. That's really my only link. Usually, Hank is the one that seems to be able to get ahold of Mahz with any regularity. If I need Mahz, I typically go through Hank. (#truestory)
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Then that was a failure on the part of whoever informed me though, to their credit, they didn't say you were explicitly the head moderator. Just that you were, quote, 'Team Mom to the other mods' and 'Sherlock Holmes was a Spam reg for many years (during Jorick's time as a regular user), and is essentially the head moderator.' Perhaps the fact that people see you as such is another indicator of the perceived failure to establish moderator presence/knowledge on this site.

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Do you think this is a good thing? I'm not sure how this is preferable for a moderator.

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Since I don't know you I can't comment on questions I have specifically for you but I can give you some questions that I've asked the other moderators in this thread/want to ask the moderators in general.

Do you feel like the issues touched upon in this thread are real, or are you under the impression that everything is fine?
How do you feel about the amount of moderators, and their activity?
How do you feel about the engagement of the community as a moderator? Do you think it's not required?
How do you feel about the quote that states;
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Do you feel like the community is deteriorating, whether through shrinking member counts, increasing toxicity or any other reasons?
What are your ideas on how we can fix the community?
What are your ideas on how we can make the community better (in case you are under the impression there are no problems)? We can always make the community even better, so 'the community is already good' won't really suffice here.
What are priority issues for the moderators at the moment?
What are your concerns in terms of moderator recruitment processes?
What are your concerns in terms of how moderators currently discuss and act together?


I'll answer you in a lump sum, rather than quoting each point individually:

(I'm posting in between some unexpected projects this morning, so hopefully this will be coherent, even if I'm typing everything a little disjointedly.)

The whole 'Mom' schtick came from my days in Spam -- I was always viewed as the level-headed one, someone who was fair and would not choose sides lightly or pander to whoever happened to be popular at the time. I was known for giving good advice and being unerringly even-tempered -- this is ultimately why I was promoted to moderator. My username was aptly chosen: if you've ever read the stories, Holmes has a personality that I largely identify with. This is beneficial in a lot of respects, but it is also somewhat detrimental in others -- I am able to objectively reason any point and conduct myself maturely, but I'm often seen as somewhat aloof and arrogant. Because I've always been a cool head when surrounded by chaos (such as Spam once was), people felt comfortable to approach me for advice on almost any matter, despite the fact that I'm not well-known for inspiring "warm fuzzies" personality-wise. (I'm sure Hank will vouch for the majority of this, since we've known each other for several years now.)

I was a decently well-known entity on the site before Guildfall occurred. At the time, I was on the site almost constantly -- I was working from home and had the luxury of popping on here frequently. Since then, I've moved to New York City and I have a much tighter work schedule, but I still come on several times a day to check the moderator forum and weed through my PM box. I have always been comfortable being a 'behind the scenes' type of person -- I enjoy being low-key and helping out when/where I can, so my style has always been to lurk and keep an eye on things from the shadows. I generally don't say anything unless I feel like I have something to add, which gives me the appearance of being less active than I actually am, I suppose. (Take this thread for instance -- I've been following it since the beginning, but I kept quiet until I actually had something to add.)

I'm not saying whether this is preferable for moderator behavior or not -- it's simply how I am and how I have always been.

I am far from a point where I think things on this site are ok. The community is on life support (in a lot of respects) and the tools with which we have to moderate by are rudimentary compared to what we used to have. (Pre Guildfall.) At the moment, moderators have very little functional power, aside from banning and warning. That is pretty much all we are capable of, aside from hiding threads or moving them on occasion. We don't have the tools to research users like we once had, we don't have the ability to do temporary bans (unless we physically keep a list of time frames and physically ban/unban people on a case by case basis), we cannot do name changes or any other under the hood changes that most moderators on forums are able to do. People like to point out that the site needs some updates and for things to get finished -- the moderator tool kit is no different.

We'd all like for Mahz to be more active, but the reality is that he is a busy guy and we are not necessarily at the top of his list priority-wise. This is not to admonish him, this is simply a fact. I appreciate all that he has put together on this site and respect the fact that he pays for everything from his pocket out of the goodness of his heart, but I think we can all agree that we'd be blind if we ignored the fact that improvements/updates on the site need to be made. That all said, these are things that the moderators have discussed at length in our own forum -- I know I've personally said that I would like someone to be appointed as an admin to help Mahz and be more accessible on a regular basis. (Even though Contra Fates was spotty in her availability at times, she was at least accessible.) We've also discussed bringing on more moderators, but unless Mahz pops in, this is not within the moderator's toolbox and he would have to make the changes.

(We can discuss things all we want, ultimately the discussion does little unless we can get Mahz on board for some changes. It's the same in these regular threads as it is in the moderator forum -- we only have so much power.)

Priority issues for the moderators are getting more help -- both in a sense of potentially expanding the staff, as well as getting the moderator toolkit up to scratch. If Mahz can't be around, then he needs to share the abilities to make changes by appointing another admin or giving the moderators more power to make changes in his absence. As far as working as a moderator team, we seem to work fairly well together as far as communicating behind the scenes goes -- when there is a problem, it gets handled. Hank is right, however, when he says we're mostly 'janitors'. We sweep up after everyone, sorting out disagreements and whatnot, moving threads, and disposing of the spambots when applicable. Really, that's pretty much our lot day in and day out. It's not fun or glamorous, but a lot of stuff that gets done behind the scenes that regular users don't really see.

Could we be more engaging as moderators? I know I probably could, personally. While it's my preference to lay low, I can understand how that might create a bit of a detached feeling on my part from the regular community members. With the demise of Spam, which was my regular haunt (aside from my RP's), I don't post much outside of the moderator forum these days. I am around the site, but I don't tend to leave much of a trail outside of my moderating duties. I'm far from a perfect example of a moderator in terms of being sociable -- I do my duty and don't do much to grow the community these days. I could definitely work on that. (Part of it's available free time, part of it is a bit of apathy on my part because the community is a shadow of what it once was -- the first part is understandable, the latter part has no excuse.)

As far as appointing new moderators, I don't know that I have a way of improving the system devised, since we don't really appoint them anyhow. Really, it's always just been taking a community temperature and seeing who stands out based on recommendations. It's not a perfect system.

TL;DR -- I'm not as social as I could be, but I do keep up on my moderator duties. Our community needs some attention, both through site updates and community-building activities. We need more staff and the staff that we do have needs more power, so that we can do things in Mahz's absence.

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@JBRam2002 all of these have been mentioned before but that doesn't mean you can't raise these issues again because they are all valid and in fact most people here share your opinions.

It's kind of strange that we don't have a report button given that the always updated rules literally state you should use the report button. ;) You're right though and a report button would at least fix the problem of people not reporting anything.


This is one of my biggest site peeves as far as being a moderator goes. We DEFINITELY need a report button.

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I mentioned this earlier as well.

I believe the problem of having a "Report Post" button is that in my experience, the mods don't just look at one post. Whenever I reported something, it required a myriad of different posts and screenshots and even then the answer was "Well they're being a dick in these several posts but that's not excessive harassment so we can't do anything."

So by that logic, reporting one post isn't going to establish continued/excessive harassment. Of course, the easy answer to this solution is to report all of the posts involved, but I feel like it would make it difficult to view the problem as a whole. What if you report 20 posts and the mods only have time to go through 10 of them in one day? Do they judge each post individually (If the system is a singular reported post, it likely will be judged as such)? How many of the 20 reported posts would it take to establish a pattern/incident? Sometimes things fall through the cracks, and other times it's a lot more convincing if you have a compilation of evidence to build your case.

By our current rules, reporting a singular post is probably not going to encourage action from the mods. It would put more stress on them to try to sift through a bunch of reported posts to see how things are related, especially if there are a lot of other different reported posts.

Additionally, the reporting posts thing brings up another question: Can we report PMs? Statuses?


Actually, it would show us the problem post, but we also would go and read through the thread to get context anyhow. That's how it always worked when we had a report button in the past.
I honestly have no idea who Sherlock Holmes even is, and I was just informed that they are in fact head moderator of some sorts, where as I always thought that was you. And I still don't know who they really are.


Let me clarify this -- I am not the head of anything. All I can claim is that I simply have been a moderator for the longest out of the current bunch. I was appointed shortly before Guildfall occurred

As for not knowing me, that's nothing new. I tend to not say too much and mind my business behind the scenes. I keep my visibility off, but I'm actually around quite a bit. (I actually pop on the site several times a day to keep up on PMs and check threads.)

If you have any questions specifically for me, I'm always happy to answer them. Otherwise, I usually just lurk until I have something relevant to say, much as I have done in this thread.
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I KNEW YOU WERE AROUND.

Imissyoursass.


<3
You've had two Moderators, one former Moderator, and one sub-forum Moderator already chime in here.


Moderator number 3 has been lurking under the radar here for some time -- just hasn't added to the conversation as of yet.

I'm receiving complaints about this thread. So, unless you want this closed, I suggest everyone behave themselves from here on out. No more racial slurs -- nothing (else) that's going to force my hand, please.

Chill.
Wow. This is a blast from the past.
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