Vilageidiotx

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

For those who say Hillary will work for America, I'll just leave this.

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@ArenaSnow

so you are saying Hillary is going to get rid of welfare and replace it with a massive new-deal style work program?

18th Century Ice Age

You know what I'm gonna say.

@Dinh AaronMk

I do?

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

Writing in a non-candidate is going to get the orange soda.

@Dinh AaronMk

it's cool as fuck to do

in 2008 i drove a buddy to the polls to vote who wrote in for sheriff in every election the name of a famous serial murderer.

he was also high af on pain killers when he voted that year and swore he forgot having ever voted, even though I drove his drooling ass up to the polling station to do so.

ahhh, if only this year was as simple as 2008

18th Century Ice Age

Okay, so the gist of the idea s that we'd be in a world where some sort of glaciation event has changed the literal landscape of the earth thereabouts the year 1770. Something like this. So kinda like The Day After Tomorrow, but with tricorns and muskets.

I understand the science is silly because, you know, not the type to worry about that in RP's, and because it isn't fun for me to think about. If it is too silly we could chalk it up to something supernatural, or we could just not go there altogether.

The context would be that, after this ice-age situation has descended, People living in the north (including most Europeans) are forced to flee to either their colonies or elsewhere. A civilization on the cusp of revolutionary enlightenment would be thrust into a unique semi-apocalyptic setting. I was thinking on starting out with the RP focused in the unfrozen regions of Southern North America, the Caribbean, and South America, since that seems a naturally place for most refugees from Europe to land.

Structurally speaking I was thinking of allowing everybody 1 to 3 perspective characters (you could make up other characters, but you'd have to be nailed to making major decisions from only three perspectives. So, like, if your character visits the King of France, you can't suddenly make all the decisions for the King of France). I'll let people I vet play important or historical people, but that means I'd have to see at least part of a post from that perspective and some evidence you can handle it. Like, I don't want to tell a dude "Yeh you can RP Thomas Jefferson" and find out all you know about the guy was learned from Hamilton.

Anyway, I know it is a bizarre idea, but I've grown attached to its bizareness and I want to do something with it.

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

It's not about 'sticking it to the man.' It's about making sure america has a commander in chief that won't be terrible for it.

@POOHEAD189

Then you have a preference and are playing coy. If you like Trump or Hillary, then just come out and say you like them. If you don't like either of them, then you aren't really making sure we have a good President if you are voting for somebody you think would be a bad President.

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

Trump needs to shut up and mature up before he pisses one of America's allies off. I understand that he doesn't have a political background. That's why he must get cabin members and others that know about politics to aid Mr. Trump before he fucks something up and dooms us. Maybe once he enters the Oval Office (if he wins), he might realize that being President is a serious job and he needs to stop his twitter wars. I don't know.

@The Spectre

This is sorta the main thing that worries me about the Trump support now. I get if you don't want to vote for traditional glad-handing politicians like Hillary, but at the same time is it wise to vote for a guy who you believe is literally incapable of doing the job and will require assistance? And is Trump's a demeanor you can be certain will even listen to his cabinet? Like, the guy is seventy years old, he is who he is, you can't really vote for a person hoping they'll become the person you want them to be once they get behind the resolute desk. Like I said, I totally get not voting for Hillary because I'm also not voting for her, but there is also...

@Dinh AaronMkI'm not fooling myself. Just seeing this without prejudice.

@POOHEAD189

...voting third party as a vote of no confidence. That's what it is. Saying "I have an opinion and am willing to vote, but I will not vote for who you are running."

McMullin, Stein, and Johnson. You got choices. They'll never become president, but they'll stick in the craw of those who fucked up the choices this year.

Your Political Ideology: Redux

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I find the peasant mentality to be rather limiting. Yes, we lack power now but why not have ambition?

I'm not sure what kind of Fascists you've come across before so let's start by actually defining the ideology I subscribe to. Here's a quick video that outlines the basics of what I believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICPKcng9_SU

I've never had that experience with An-Caps, possibly because the only one I've met was IRL and he didn't have internet anonymity to threaten my family with a knife without my reporting him to law enforcement.

@Mardox

Okay, just a quick point about how I operate: I don't do videos. It just annoys me, because people will throw videos instead of explaining themselves like I am supposed to debunk an entire field single handedly while they just toss links at me. We gonna debate it gotta be analog.

I will say too that I realize fascism isn't just Jew-killing. My understanding is it's a centralizing of power, the power's legitimacy based on nationalism, with a system of enforced centralization in the specific fields of society to cull negative foreign influences and stabilize things that are left hanging in liberal societies?

I think the problem with any system of power centralization is that everyone imagines it going to people who embody everything perfect about their ideology, where only those who deserve power enter power. But history shows us that you get a Carlos II or a Nero for every Trajan or Charlemagne, and that most monarchs are the so-so type, the ones you forget because they were neither good at their job nor bad, they were just there. I think this was the real problem with European fascism, it was doomed to fail because it propelled incompetent ideologues to total power. The evil would have been forgotten if they won because every society has evil under its belt, but there was no getting there because their entire theory of power is unrealistic. Marxist-Leninists have the same problem. Nobody has ever invented a system of power that insures it has the right people at the right time. ML's not only built a system that guaranteed a Stalin, they also guaranteed a Kruschev and a Gorbachev. Fascists likewise didn't get unlucky and stuck with Hitler: Hitler was the type of person their system was just going to produce one way or the other.

The problem with totalitarianism is that, when they end up with a mediocre leader their entire society goes mediocre, and when they end up with an idiot, their entire society suffers from temporary national idiocy. Hitler wouldn't have trashed Fascist Germany if Fascist Germany had given more power to the generals who, you know, weren't ham-strung by the stupidity of the Fascist power structure.

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My main problem with ancaps is that they act even more haughty than fascists. Like, fascists might often consider themselves to be a genetically superior example of the human species upon which all life must be based, but ancaps are condescending as fuck. More condescending than I can be, which is impressive. Probably because they tend to either be REALLY stereotypical neckbeards or rich kids who are overly successful in life, both of which are possibly the most condescending demographics.

@Keyguyperson

That too. In general they always seem to be bad people. It's funny how I've never had that problem with Marxist-Leninist type communists, and never with Fascists, thought being left libertarian I am somebody both wouldn't be able to tolerate in their perfect societies; I'd end up dead in a creek somewhere. Yet fucking An-Caps are supposed to be anarchic and against the use of force, but are always dicks to basically everyone else.

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

@Vilageidiotx on the photo, good point and I stand corrected.

As for the policies, I don't think they're that insane. For instance the 'China is a currency manipulator' thing has been known and has been 'proven' true numerous times.

Also, his withdrawal of UN funds for climate change is smart. Flint was a disaster. Perhaps it's a smart move of him to fix that shit. IDK, I don't really think all these are insane as said before, nor are they propaganda.

Most of them also aren't really policies, lol.

@Buddha

They aren't really insane so much as tone deaf, and that is hit and miss. I actually agree with some of them, in that I think we are rushing into TPP, and controlling lobbyists is not a bad idea even if he makes it sound like they are a group you can just sorta fire. Like I said, the Federal Government freeze is the one that jumps out at me, and only because I am in the trenches there and know why it is dumb.

I don't think it is completely unfair to call it propaganda (some of it is, in the sense that some of it is there to create a narrative that favors Trump. His promises are worded in a way that makes him sound like a crusading hero rather than presenting problems as they truly are, especially important since Trump tends to drown when he gets into details.) It might be clearer to call them "Campaign promises", because as a populist that is what he is dealing in. If you're Joe Schmuck and you really think government employees literally do nothing but stare at the ceiling and collect pay checks, then sure, that plans sounds great (incidentally a narrative Joe Schmuck likes because it strokes his own ego, making him think he is really the hard worker and everybody else needs to be made like him). But in reality government jobs are just jobs, where people are hired to do work that needs to be done. His approach is gobbledygook that would mostly force managers to bend over backwards for employees they already have, thus making the government employee stereotype more true as we get loads of overtime and a free hand to be shitty because we can't be replaced. Absolutely useless policy, but it looks good on a piece of paper because it paints a picture of an entire field of employment corrupt all the way to the root that only Trump can fix.

And that tone-deaf approach to policy tells me that Trump isn't a Ross Perot with charts and graphs giving us a real, detailed list of whats and hows. Trump is dealing in paper-thin populism, suggesting he is either 1: A common politician, promising shit just to get in office, with no real plan to do any of it once he comes in, or 2: A guy who has no clue what he is doing. And honestly I don't really know with him because I don't really understand his angle. Like, I don't know why he wants to be president, considering he didn't really follow the cursus honorum and came entirely out of left field (or, uh, right field). If he is just in there to exercise power for his own interests and rob the bank like every other politician out there, then he's probably number 1. But if this is literally an ego thing, number 2 is entirely possible too. He's the type of public figure who is hard to read because his main skill is being a celebrity, so it is hard to tell what is really him, and what is just him maintaining his celebrity-ness

Now I have to say like I've said before; I have no dog in this race. I don't like Hillary. I just also happen to not like Trump. For different reasons, but there it stands.

Your Political Ideology: Redux

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I honestly don't think its possible to have a calm and reasonable debate between fascists and communists. I'd be willing to try though, since if I can argue IN DEFENSE OF anarcho-capitalism (which pretty much everyone but anarcho-capitalists and minarchists hate) I can probably refrain from spilling my spaghetti about gulags and walls and firing squads.

_{Also I'm totally up for fascists vs. commies round 2. Give us til 2070 to prepare, ok?}

@Keyguyperson

I can totally have a reasonable debate, because to me we are all peasants so it's pretty fucking irrelevant what we have to say.

I've never been too offended by self-declared fascists because A: At least they aren't playing games, they are telling you right there, and B: They always kinda come off like Scrappy Doo, just waving fists and yelling and trying to sound bad-ass, but just sorta looking silly. It's more enduring than infuriating.

The only group that usually annoys me is An-Caps, and only because they are always so fucking nasty for some reason. When it comes to internet debates Fascists make dumb jokes, An-Caps threaten your family with a knife.

Rigging the Election: The Clinton Campaign and DNC incite violence at Trump Rallies

Trump is a racist, right?

@Buddha

I was confused by that photo because, like, I didn't know who it was supposed to be. If you squint he looks kinda sorta like Bill, albeit he doesn't have the right eyes, and his teeth are all wrong. But that definitely isn't Hillary, since this photo looks to be 40~ years old, and that woman also looks to be 40~, which doesn't quite add up. Considering, at roughly the time of this photograph, they'd look like this. (She is wearing an upholstery jacket, which can only mean one of two things: this is the seventies, or it is star trek.)

But shit, I dunno, black face could make you look different enough to fool me, so I had to look it up. And yeh, it's bullshit. Which makes me feel relieved that I can still recognize faces.

Anyway, regarding policy, a lot of Trump's 100 days policy speech stuff is pretty standard Republican election year populism. To anybody actually wanting to see what everybody above is name-calling each other about, here is the outline (and this is straight from his campaign, so don't call me a main stream media jew pls).

Following the speech, the Trump campaign distributed a press release, denoting each specific new proposal:

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back
FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Like I said, pretty standard, or predictable in that we've heard Trump say it before. It's conservatism in a nut shell though, with something taken from every middle American Republican's ad campaign all across the country. But the one that really sticks out to me is the Second, the Federal Hiring Freeze. Which is weird and exciting for me, a federal employee.

So where I work, we do a lot of season hiring every year, where basically a shit load of people are brought in around tax season to deal with the work-load and the ones that are actually good are kept on. This is because the work available is inherently seasonal, being that this is the IRS and all the income tax returns come in around April 15th. This hiring process is done January through February in waves. Inauguration day is January 20th, so in theory a quick institution of this freeze could cull half of the necessary new employees.

The implication is that we would be insanely understaffed, which is fun to imagine (this is assuming a grown up doesn't spoil it and lead Trump by the hand once he is in office to make sure he doesn't do this sort of thing.) For me, it would be hella overtime. I mean assloads of overtime. I'd be getting so fuckin' paid! I mean, realistically people wouldn't be getting their tax returns for a looong time, but in the mean time I get to rake in that fuckin' time-and-a-half 60 hours a week shit. I've been wanting to go on vacation to the east coast sometime when I could save up the money, and this would make it easy.

Sure, I wouldn't sleep much, but who can sleep when the American Tax Payer wants to reward me for having had the foresight to get a federal job before 2017?