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Drakel said
I won't deny any of this though I want to point out some flaws in this system that was only just discovered by our current array of newbs.They fucking WORSHIP nat or they did at one point or another. Now when that happens we get people like Joe (Sorry dude, You're currently not terrible imo... but you were and even you came to realize this) who come in, sees nat and then tries to mimic Nat's personality and either try to "replace Nat" making us accept them like we accepted Nat, or they idolize him, making them act like a Nat clone and thus we get even more SHITTIER members until they realize that we all hate that shit (including Nat) and either leave in shame or try to change their ways and actually STOP acting like someone else. I admit nat isn't the worst thing to come into spam but he sure as hell isn't the best either. While yes the system you state is half true, it still doesn't completely prevent completely shit members from joining. Not to mention that when we don't get an influx of newbs, when nat does post a shit-ton of threads and floods spam than we get older members bitching about nat and we ALL know that shit is annoying. It's a lose/lose unless the system does work...So yeah... There are a lot more variables than what you're adding for that system K-9... and I only added a select few out of the bunch that may give you a completely different result than what you wanted. Sorry if this shatters your dreams. :(


Honestly, if people weren't so quick to declare any new person the 'New Nat' then perhaps they wouldn't latch on to and embrace that concept. People can be stupid on their own grounds without needing a comparison to Nat.
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I'm sorry since when was I an elephant? I literally changed my name just so I wouldn't be associated with KB.
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KnightShade said
Honestly, if people weren't so quick to declare any new person the 'New Nat' then perhaps they wouldn't latch on to and embrace that concept. People can be stupid on their own grounds without needing a comparison to Nat.


Actually that sum wasn't called to be Nat by spammers, They just came in out of the blue and declared themselves it. This is a result of them looking in spam and seeing nothing but threads made by nat instead of other spammers and in turn that gives them the idea that this community is, in fact a bunch of Nats, only for them to find out later that it is not.

Though I won't deny that there were some newbs called "New Nats" or "Nat Clones" but when we looked at it, that was 99 bottles and some other small group that I can't even recall the names of... and NONE of them are currently in spam or even known here, unlike the more vocal self-declared "Nats" during that time.
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I need a video to know what that sounds like,I am rather interested.


Nat's 4 real voice
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Drakel said Actually that sum wasn't called to be Nat by spammers, They just came in out of the blue and declared themselves it. This is a result of them looking in spam and seeing nothing but threads made by nat instead of other spammers and in turn that gives them the idea that this community is, in fact a bunch of Nats, only for them to find out later that it is not.


That makes no sense. So they come into spam and assume everyone is exactly like Nat which would mean he has no distinct personality, then they declare themselves the 'New Nat' implying he has something distinct to imitate. What I'm arguing isn't trying to place blame on either side, but the way I see it is: New person comes in and doesn't know how to behave so does something stupid > Everyone laments there stupidity including a comparison to Nat (that isn't necessarily the new Nat, but might just be something like they're worse than him) > If the person changes their behavior they'd see it as admitting they are wrong, so instead they embrace comparisons to Nat.

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I'm sorry since when was I an elephant? I literally changed my name just so I wouldn't be associated with KB.


I like saying someone is no longer an elephant when spam agrees to ignore them, like the bit in Dumbo. And, I was going to go with K3BO but that seemed a bit harsh. If it helps I do see you as a distinct individual and it's meant jokingly, I wouldn't put you in my signature if I didn't have some measure of respect for you as well as awe at the foolishness of that part of your comment.
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That makes no sense. So they come into spam and assume everyone is exactly like Nat which would mean he has no distinct personality, then they declare themselves the 'New Nat' implying he has something distinct to imitate. What I'm arguing isn't trying to place blame on either side, but the way I see it is: New person comes in and doesn't know how to behave so does something stupid > Everyone laments there stupidity including a comparison to Nat (that isn't necessarily the new Nat, but might just be something like they're worse than him) > If the person changes their behavior they'd see it as admitting they are wrong, so instead they embrace comparisons to Nat.


Okay, but what I'm saying is that the majority doesn't do that, in fact that doesn't happen at all.

What I'm saying is that those who declare themselves as Nat are just doing it out of randumbness after seeing multiple nat threads and since nobody is hating on nat anymore (because it's so fucking pointless and old) they get the mindset that it's okay and thus they begin thinking that it's okay until everyone slaps them around a bit for it.

Maybe the way I worded that made little sense though in all honesty it makes perfect sense. It's a fucking randumb member playing "Monkey see, Monkey do". Nothing more, nothing less. THAT is what I'm talking about knight. You're talking about something different.
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Okay, but what I'm saying is that the majority doesn't do that, in fact that doesn't happen at all. What I'm saying is that those who declare themselves as Nat are just doing it out of randumbness after seeing multiple nat threads and since nobody is hating on nat anymore (because it's so fucking pointless and old) they get the mindset that it's okay and thus they begin thinking that it's okay until everyone slaps them around a bit for it. Maybe the way I worded that made little sense though in all honesty it makes perfect sense. It's a fucking randumb member playing "Monkey see, Monkey do". Nothing more, nothing less. THAT is what I'm talking about knight. You're talking about something different.


I understand more what you mean now, the logical leap that eludes me is them deciding there is something about Nat alone that warrants them declaring they are like him. Randumb people in a vacuum with whatever it is Nat does, I see them as more just acting like him in that scenario than drawing conscious similarities. And we are both talking about how new people come to associate themselves primarily with Nat, I think.

I really don't want to argue with you though Drakel, I don't mind about getting the last word in so you can do that if you like, so long as we can agree to disagree on it.

Raxacoricofallapatorius said Nat's 4 real voice


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Raxacoricofallapatorius said



my god you sound so young

then again someone told me I sound 17 so that's not much better.
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Doivid said
my god you sound so young


you realize it is impression

I have gone through puberty
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Raxacoricofallapatorius said
you realize it is impression


no too late that's how I hear all of your posts now
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Doivid said
no too late that's how I hear all of your posts now


So long as each sentence ends in a batman-like hoarseness
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I laughed I like to think this is a cannon voice now, right next to the voice of the changeling queen.
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I understand more what you mean now, the logical leap that eludes me is them deciding there is something about Nat alone that warrants them declaring they are like him. Randumb people in a vacuum with whatever it is Nat does, I see them as more just acting like him in that scenario than drawing conscious similarities. And we are both talking about how new people come to associate themselves primarily with Nat, I think.I really don't want to argue with you though Drakel, I don't mind about getting the last word in so you can do that if you like, so long as we can agree to disagree on it.


I'm glad to see that you understand what I'm saying. As we all know I suck at putting my ideas out properly though I also see where you're coming from, and I agree... It completely baffles me on WHY they made that decicion to act like NAT above all people but at the same time it does make a bit of sense since Nat is the most seen member, which to some must mean popular (which isn't half wrong either)... but in the end it's the willingness to CONTINUE such that just gives me a headache and breaks all forms of logic imo.

I don't completely argue with you, you're right on many levels and as I said it all depends on what type of variables that we are using. So neither of us are right or wrong unless we are looking at specific variables.

So in the end it's all good Knight. :)
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I laughed I like to think this is a cannon voice now, right next to the voice of the changeling queen.


see i can't have this voice this is nat's voice
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Drakel said I don't completely argue with you, you're right on many levels and as I said it all depends on what type of variables that we are using. So neither of us are right or wrong unless we are looking at specific variables. So in the end it's all good Knight. :)


Goddamit Drakel! We were supposed to be agreeing to disagree not agreeing to agree. Now I have to disagree to disagree while you get to agree to agree. Fuck you, you reasonable asshole.
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