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This Roleplay will take place during the crusades. That means no guns, canons, or anything modern. You will either take control of a faction or a country, they can be Christian or Muslim, or hell, even Hindu, it is up to you. This Roleplay will start in 1096, and it will end when interest is gone

Rogatus Terre Sancte pugnare: The Crusades, Fight for the Holy Land


The First Crusade is going to be the starting era
The First Crusade (1096–1099) started as a widespread pilgrimage (France and Germany) and ended as a military expedition by Roman Catholic Europe to regain the Holy Lands taken in the Muslim conquests of the Levant (632–661), ultimately resulting in the recapture of Jerusalem in 1099. It was launched on 27 November 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuq Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the Eastern Christians from Muslim rule.

During the crusade, knights, peasants and serfs from many nations of Western Europe travelled over land and by sea, first to Constantinople and then on towards Jerusalem. The Crusaders arrived at Jerusalem, launched an assault on the city, and captured it in July 1099, massacring many of the city's Muslim, Christian, and Jewish inhabitants. They also established the crusader states of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the County of Tripoli, the Principality of Antioch, and the County of Edessa.

Because the First Crusade was largely concerned with Jerusalem, a city which had not been under Christian dominion for 461 years, and the crusader army had refused to return the land to the control of the Byzantine Empire, the status of the First Crusade as defensive or as aggressive in nature remains controversial.

The First Crusade was part of the Christian response to the Muslim conquests, and was followed by the Second to the Ninth Crusades, but the gains made lasted for less than 200 years. It was also the first major step towards reopening international trade in the West since the fall of the Western Roman Empire.


Yes this Roleplay will have turns, but don't worry, its ok. Countries will not have stats, but they will only be allowed 1 Crusader Update/Jihad Update Per Turn (I will describe it) with an infinite number of Diplomatic Updates, the only thing about that is you may not do back to back post.
Crusader Update: A crusader update will be used to show you invading lands or defending lands (Christian)
Jihad Update: A jihad update will be used to show you invading lands or defending lands (Muslim)
Diplomatic Update: A Diplomatic update shows if you join the crusades, leave the crusades, converts to another religion, or forms alliances
Non-Abrahamic Update (Sorry I could not come up with a name for it): If a non-Abrahamic country needs to defend or invade, this will be the 1 update they are allowed to do it in.
Conversion Update: A Conversion update is basically an update that shows you converting someone, You are allowed 1 per turn.


For A faction
Name of Faction:
Religion:
Leader:
Country it is based in:
What it does:
Symbol:
History (Optional)
Extra:

For a Country
Name of Country:
Religion:
Leader:
Flag:
Is it apart of the Crusades:
History (Optional)
Extra:


Be nice
Follow the rules
Don't be an idiot
No Metagaming
No Godmoding
My decision is final
There is no Rule 7
Do not make posts for other people
Have Fun


Christian Countries:
France
Byzantium

Christian Factions:
Order of the Cloaked Crucifix

Islamic Countries:
The Seljuk Sultanate of Rum

Islamic Factions:
The Crescent

Non-Abrahamic Countries:
Sassanian Empire
The Cuman-Kipchak Confederation

Non-Abrahamic Factions:
None
Hidden 10 yrs ago Post by marcopolonian
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Say, Dinh AaronMk, the Emirate of Khiva is north of Persia (though also north of Khwarezem, which you stated was taken by the Turks). Since Khiva is pretty close to you, if you want, they can have converted to Zoroastrianism instead of Islam in this alternate history. That would mean that it would be the Sassanian Empire's obligation to help Khiva instead of the Seljuks if they happened to be invaded by Tengri invaders from the north.

EDIT: Also, could there be a non-Abrahamic faith counterpart to the Crusader and Jihad Updates?

EDITEDIT: And I'll also put my sheet here. I'm altering some details, based on both Dinh's response and some more research (the Emirate of Khiva is actually called the Kara-Khanid Khanate, apparently; I just got the name "Emirate of Khiva" from Crusader Kings II):

Name of Country: The Cuman-Kipchak Confederation, known to Christian kingdoms as "Cumania" and to Islamic kingdoms as "Desht-i Qipchaq"

Religion: Tengriism

Leader: Khan Saru

Flag (actually, Coat of Arms):

Is it apart of the Crusades: No

History: The Cuman-Kipchak Confederation was the dominant political entity in the westernmost portion of the Eurasian Steppe. As its name implies, it was a confederation of tribes, over which two Turkic nomadic tribes were dominant: the Kipchak, who lived in the eastern half, and the Cumans, who lived in the western. The name "Cumania" is in fact just an exonym given to it by the Christian kingdoms it bordered to the west, who only ever saw Cumans; Islamic sources instead give it the name "Desht-i Qipchaq", or "Steppe of the Kipchaks".

The confederation of tribes had never politically unified into a single strong nation state. The tribes met as a council and answered to each other, and would aid each other at times, defending the whole confederation from outside forces, but they had usually just administered their own areas, sticking to their own politics. The great Khan Saru, khan of the Cumans and current head of the confederation, urgently sought to change this. He saw the kings to the west and the sultans to the south. He had witnessed firsthand their infrastructure and their castles. Though his advisers scoff at the notion of giving up the nomadic ways and instituting such foolhardy ideas as fiefdoms and titles, he had seen the power of the Byzantine Empire. And he believed the first step was to unite all of the believers in the true Gods, Tengri the Sky-Father and Eje the Earth-Mother, under one organized religion.

The Tengri faith was under attack, Saru believed. Each day another one of his best men would turn to the heathen faiths in the south and the west. Mohammedans, Christians, Zoroastrians, all seeking to establish new religious institutions to further propagate their non-belief in the Sky-Father. Already some tribes to the north have converted to Islam entirely, and their prowess in fighting against the confederation has increased tremendously because of it. His shamans, having procured the various religious texts from raids of the Christians and Mohammedans, say the best way to fight back is with a text of their very own about the legends of the Sky-Father and Earth-Mother, one that every tribe leader will be ordered to read and memorize. However, they say that the only way all of the tribesmen would truly be dedicated to this newly-organized faith is with a show of Saru's own dedication to the faith - he would have to take back important Tengri shrines within the Christian Kingdom of Hungary and the Zoroastrian Karakhanids.

With the Karakhanids neighboring the great Sassanian Empire and Hungary nestled next to the giant Holy Roman Empire, Saru was at a loss of what he could do; a strike at either could be interpreted by their more powerful neighbor as a threat to the religion itself. However, with the severe weakening of the confederation's southwestern neighbor by the newly-proclaimed Sultanate of Rum, and the gearing of all of Christiandom to strike back at this invader, Saru began to see an opening...

Extra: As a confederation of nomadic tribes, its borders are very ambiguous and contested, but the Cumans border the Christian kingdom of Hungary, while the Kipchaks are bordered to the south by the Karakhanids (whom I'd previously called the Emirate of Khiva). Khan Saru plans to invade the Kingdom of Hungary while the Catholics are distracted by their participation in the First Crusade, and perhaps the Karakhanids too, if the Sassanian Empire decides it wants Mesopotamia back from the Seljuks while they're distracted by this war. He'll need the participation of the Kipchak tribe to the east, however, and that won't be an easy task. Khan Saru is primarily head of the Cumans, and the Kipchaks will count as a mostly-separate political entity.

Note that this takes a lot of inspiration from Crusader Kings II (since you have that music from the game and such). In Crusader Kings II, to reform a pagan religion, one must either own all 5 of a pagan religion's Holy Sites, or own 3 out of 5 Holy Sites, and have 750 Piety and 50% moral authority in the religion. As you can probably guess, for Tengriism, one of those is in Hungary while the other is in the Karakhanid-controlled land. The other three, at the time of the First Crusade, are all controlled by Cumania.
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I added it.
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Name of Country: The Seljuk Sultanate of Rum
Religion: Islam
Leader: Kilij Arslan I
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Is it apart of the Crusades: Yes
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marcopolonian said
Say, Dinh AaronMk, the Emirate of Khiva is north of Persia (though also north of Khwarezem, which you stated was taken by the Turks). Since Khiva is pretty close to you, if you want, they can have converted to Zoroastrianism instead of Islam in this alternate history. That would mean that it would be the Sassanian Empire's obligation to help Khiva instead of the Seljuks if they happened to be invaded by Tengri invaders from the north.


Given that I decided to cock-block Islam's march to Asia by land it's likely that Zoroastrianism would still be dominant over Great Persia and the Iranian plateau. There'd also be communities of minority faiths that would have otherwise died out, such as Nestorian Christianity. So it's very likely.

I played this bit in another RP something like a year ago for an RP with a very clean alternate history. OP said we could re-write the history of any nation at any point, so I did Persia and ended up looking into what would have happened if they held against the Rashiduns. The religious diversity in central and southern Asia would have been amazing.

And this note I'mma repost my App here for reference's sake:

Name of Country: Sassanian Empire
Religion: Zoroastrian (minority faiths: Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Jainism)
Leader: Ardashir
Flag:
Is it apart of the Crusades: No
History: Though they should have long been destroyed, the longevity of the pagan Persians can be traced back to the plays of power of Khosrau II, the magnificent in the 7th century. Khosrau II came to power in a palace coup against the Emperor Hormizd IV. Though Khosrau himself was later forced to flee from Ctesiphon in a counter coup.

At the time, Hormizd had been warring with the Byzantine Empire, as they often had. Playing this, Khosrau ended up in the court of Emperor Maurice of the Byzantine Empire and sought refuge. Maurice – who promised him that he would restore him as Emperor of Persia – allowed him to remain in court as the war that Hormizd began continued on.

In 591 Khosrau returned to the Imperial capital of Ctesiphon with a Byzantine Army and engaging Emperor Bahram VI in battle won, and was able to secure his power as Emperor of Persia. Bahram was able to flee from the battle where he set up in the Persian far-east. Though he was later assassinated by Khosrau in the following years, ending his threat as a pretender.

For their assistance, the Emperor Maurice was ceded Persian Armenia and western Georgia for restoring Khosrau as Emperor and a long personal friendship begun.

This friendship would even continue until Maurice was murdered by General Phocus who claimed the Byzantine throne to himself. Ostensibly, Khosrau declared war in the year 602 to avenge Maurice. Though it quickly became clear that the Persian King had the intention of claiming as much land as possible, quickly taking Edessa and Dara in 604, and began making sweeping victories across Syria and Asia Minor. The Zoroastrian armies were able to take Damascus and Jerusalem in 613 and 614 and stole the True Cross, stealing it off to Ctesphion as a prize of victory.

Pressed by Avars and Bulgars the Byzantine Emperor was hard pressed to give up a fight as they lost Egypt and the Sassanid pagans marched straight up to the gates of Nycia.

By 622, the war began to change as Heraclius came to power and made a successful push against the Sassanids. Heraclius – who himself came to power through the political instability that long plagued and weakened the Empire – proved himself a worthy adversary and managed to reclaim many of the lands Khosrau claimed. Khosrau, who had to divert his attention eastward to combat the Turkic, Tengri tribes had shifted the focus of his armies east-ward to combat the raiding tribes.

Forced to swallow his pride, Khosrau agreed to meet with Heraclius to close the war in the west as his armies returned from the east, and to deal with political instability within the Empire from the prolonged wars. As the signs of pretender rebellions within the Empire began to show, Khosrau agreed to cede the Palestine and Egyptian territories back to the Byzantines, in exchange Khosrau won back Armenia and Georgia.

With his energies re-focused he was able to turn inward and fight the pretenders. Khosrau won ultimately, if bruised and was forced to lick his wounds for a time, reigning until 640.

The next great test came with the Muslim conquests of his Zoroastrian lands. With the rising Rashidun caliphate in Arabia sweeping west to swarm the Byzantine-held holy lands not reclaimed but a few decades ago the followers of Islam showed to be a potent new foe. Spurned by successes the Muslims rode north into Mesopotamia.

The Muslims took the city of Al-Hira and Selucia quickly in their campaigns, forcing the Sassanids into retreat as the Imperial capital. Organizing between the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates the Zoroastrian armies were able to organize in the face of opposition under Khosrau's son Kavadh II.

Kavadh was able to inspire a stalwart defense in site of the Imperial capital, and fought viciously against the Rashidun invaders. But they came to defeat and were forced to withdraw from Mesopotamia. They and the Imperial Court retreated to as far west as the old capital of Estakhr in Persia proper.

With the armies of Islam sweeping across Mesopotamia the Sassanids were forced to recognize the cradle of civilization lost as they re-organized to meet the Arabs in the mountains and hills of Persia.

Khavadh II – now the new Emperor – lead an army of fifteen-thousand to the city of Hamadan to relieve the siege the Arabs had put on the city. Lead by Umar, the Rashidun army had begun to terrorize the country side forcing much of the Zoroastrian population to evacuate or to convert to Islam. By the time he had reached Hamadan there was an enormous body of refugees within the city and many more fleeing east-ward.

Kavadh II brought many of which into his army as he marched, reaching Hamadan in May of 645. The two armies met in the afternoon and the Emperor and Arab general met to discuss terms to leave Persia. Such terms were rejected by the Arabs and the battle commenced.

Persian writers note the fighting was fierce and carried on until the sun fell below the horizon. Much of Kavadh's army was retreated into Hamadan itself. Seeing this, Kavadh rode into the besieged city, forcing many of his men by pain of death to return to the field, and rallying the city's hagard defense to join the relief and to take the field.

On returning the sun had completely set, and fighting for the large part had stopped. But Kavadh was hardly finished as he rode out to his Imperial Guard. The Zayehdan.

Long famous since before the Persian-Byzantine wars as being the impenetrable heavy cavalry of the Persian army, the Zayehdan had in fact rarely been used. But in the few time they were, it was to great effect. Much of the time they served as the royal guard to the Emperor or the nobility when they marched to war, but hung back with him behind the fighting.

Lead by Papak of Sakastan, they joined their Emperor as he took them to the south. Under the cover of the night riding around the Arab armies to their southern-most flank, and waiting until morning. Leave control of the rest of the army to the Marshal of Hamadan with orders to ride on the Arabs at morning.

The Arab general Umar awoke that morning for prayers, not realizing the Persian army's positions had changed. As the morning Salat began and his army prostrated to the south a piercing noise cut the air, silencing the Call to Prayer as it was being given. Rising to the horizon, the general and his men saw riding from the hills the shimmering armor of the Zayedan as they thundered towards them. Raised in the air their immortal spears, as the poets would later write.

Taken by surprise and by his flank, Umar could not muster a defense fast enough as the new Immortal crashed into the Arab army and cut through them with the Emperor at its head. At that time, the Marshal of Hamadan rode from the city and met the Arabs as they fell away from their general at the offense of the Emperor.

By the end of the day the Rashidun army was forced to route, and many of the Arab armies were spurned back south. Kavadh attempted to retake Ctesphion – or Bahgdad – and failed in his counter-campaign. The Sassanids were forced back into the interior of the greater Iranian Plateau. But secure in Azura Mazda that they had survived the onslaught of Islam.

The Empire again would be threatened by the Turks, this time lead by the legendar Seljuq. The Turkish armies – who would later convert from Tengrism to Islam – stole from Persia Khwarezem. But in all Seljuq was forced north around the Caspian before he and his successors swept south across Eastern Anatolia, taking Bahgdad itself and threatening the Byzantine Empire.

In the time between the Sassanids would seek what glory they could to bolster their Empire. In the 10th century under the Emperor Farrukhzad they campaigned into Hindustan in north-western India from Turan. The Sassanids maintained diplomatic relations with the distant Song dynasty, who ruled unknown to Europe in the distant lands of Cathay.
Extra: Islam penetrated the Persian Empire sometime after the initial Rashidun conquests but has been largely marginalized in the same way Christianity had once been when the Byzantine Empire converted. To the Zoroastrian ruling class Islam is considered a threat to them and the administration and the Zoroastrian faith had to adjust to compete both functionally and ideologically in tandem, compliment, and consideration to the Muslims to prevent interest in invading the Iranian Plateau again.

Hinduism and Buddhism - which had long existed in the Empires territory in today's Pakistan - continued to flourish without intervention or threat from Islamic expansion and even diffused in some way across the Empire as a small, minority faith. Now during the reign of Shapur II it isn't uncommon to find Hindu or Buddhist temples next to a acting Fire Temple as one can find a Synagogue in Jerusalem
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Faction
Name= Order of the Cloaked Crucifix
Religion= Christian
Leader= Father Fredric
Based in Constantinople
What it does= Known as a group of preachers of the word of christ however in reality it is a group that scouts and infiltrates for crusaders and often uses assassination to sabotage enemy armies
Symbol= A snake entwined around a cruxifix
History= Formed by Farther Fredric in December 1095 making it a very young organisation with few members. Only one islamic preacher has been assassinated so far and currently has 2 agents in Jerusalem
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Accepted nano and ninja. And I have go somewhere for a day soon, so if you send an app, just wait.
Edit: You may post Ic, and here is how a post should look
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Alright, I decided that the Kara-Khanid Khanate (whom I erroneously called "Emirate of Khiva") has converted to Zoroastrianism instead of Islam in this timeline. That way the confederation can start by diverting all its warriors to Hungary, instead of splitting them up. The tribes north of the confederation are still Muslim, however, since that direction wasn't impeded by the Sassanians.

I don't think I'll start the IC myself, since Khan Saru is planning a very reactive strategy. Also, maybe we should wait until at the very least, someone signs up as the Seljuqs. They were pretty important, to put it mildly. We should also wait for the Holy Roman Empire.
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In general we need more Muslims. I realized I may have dropped the ball there, but I think I'll stick around as the Persians.

And frankly if ya'll need referential help on Muslim factoids I know more than few things to help push you along. But what's effectively a vassal of the greater Seljuk Empire isn't really enough. Especially when I believe Rum is likely a vassal of the greater Seljuk Empire.

The Turkish Kebab have about a century more before they sort of collapse completely.

As for my post: I need to work out what I want to do still, and then what will need to transpire to get to that point. And then how to introduce all of it. I've a post to write for a couple other more needy RPs to. So it'll be time.
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I am back.
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Huh, this might be a bit of a problem. Should we allow people to play as multiple countries, then? I probably shouldn't, though, since there's a bit of a conflict of interest between Cumania and either the HRE or the Seljuqs.
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marcopolonian said
Huh, this might be a bit of a problem. Should we allow people to play as multiple countries, then? I probably shouldn't, though, since there's a bit of a conflict of interest between Cumania and either the HRE or the Seljuqs.


A little internalized conflict goes far anyways. I don't have any qualms personally.

In these sorts of things I'll end up in some ways taking control of the other side of the conflict if they're an NPC to push it along. Though it can be stolen from me when someone picks it up and I recognize this. I'll be good as long as they know what the Hell is going on.

On that note, still haven't gotten to it. I'm still working on a post for another RP that I haven't posted in for a week.
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