The Nexerus said
Or, you could look at it how Londoners do: the entirety of the UK that isn't London is basically a series of parasites feeding off the host body that is London.

Which is the opposite.



This shows were the vast majority of wealth is generated, note Aberdeen, the most northern city in scotland (unless you count inverness which is like, y'know, basically a town), it generates the second highest income. Also just note the north of england in general, some of those places are making at least a decent wage for themselves.

Now, let's look at where the money ends up.



London, and South East England (the place were successful people in london go to live and study, like Berkshire, Buckinhamshire, Hampshire, Sussex, Oxford, Surrey, Kent etc.)

They may be an economic powerhouse, but they're not helping out the rest of the UK by being one. It's a shown fact - they're taking more than they give.

scribz said
Which is the opposite. This shows were the vast majority of wealth is generated, note Aberdeen, the most northern city in scotland (unless you count inverness which is like, y'know, basically a town), it generates the second highest income. Also just note the north of england in general, some of those places are making at least a decent wage for themselves.Now, let's look at where the money ends up. London, and South East England (the place were successful people in london go to live and study, like Berkshire, Buckinhamshire, Hampshire, Sussex, Oxford, Surrey, Kent etc.)They may be an economic powerhouse, but they're not helping out the rest of the UK by being one. It's a shown fact - they're taking more than they give.

... I kinda just wanna see an independent London to see what the reaction of these "Pro-londoners" would be :P

HollywoodMole said
... I kinda just wanna see an independent London to see what the reaction of these "Pro-londoners" would be :P

I'm very very happy for them to do that :>

Decentralisation of UK powers ftw <3

To be candid I'm just rooting for Scotland because I want a Jaguar and the pound will probably fall significantly versus the dollar if Scotland secedes.

Sable said
To be candid I'm just rooting for Scotland because I want a Jaguar and the pound will probably fall significantly versus the dollar if Scotland secedes.

If the pound falls, then my main clients money (US) will get me so much more.

Gotta love short term thinking 8D

scribz said
If the pound falls, then my main clients money (US) will get me much more.Gotta love short term thinking 8D

•highfive•

Big clue was the 'royal' in their name.

The Nexerus said

Despite this statement coming out in an underhanded way. The actual change to what this means to scotland is only how it could change the vote, if nobody cared to have this affect their decision on the vote, nothing would happen for it. It's just a reshuffle of papers.

This is David Cameron's last bag of tricks.

^ "This is Cameron's last bag of tricks."

Does Cameron having anything to do with RBS?

idlehands said
Big clue was the 'royal' in their name.

Salmond has said that an independent Scotland would be in personal union with the United Kingdom, mutually possessing the Queen as a monarch in a position similar to that of Canada and Australia.

I saw a headline on a news program last night that said "British PM begs Scotland not to 'break up the family of nations'." Come on Scotland, stay together for the kids.

idlehands said
I saw a headline on a news program last night that said "British PM begs Scotland not to 'break up the family of nations'." Come on Scotland, stay together for the kids.

Ya, Cameron used the term 'family of nations' a lot in his speech in Scotland. Weird term, but it seems to have worked to an extent. Latest poll has 'No' winning 48% to 42% (plus 10% undecided, which ultimately boils down to another 'Yes' injection.)

Pissing myself laughing.

The Nexerus said
^ "This is Cameron's last bag of tricks."Does Cameron having anything to do with RBS

The reason this is coming out is due to the UK treasury leaking any talk of movement from any business's pen address down south of the border - which is simply to keep shareholders from getting scared off due to the negative rap that independence gets south of the border. Cameron has also been shown to pressure the supermarkets into telling them that food cost will rise in an independant scotland before the referendum. All of which is true but isn't a deathly failing of separation, rather just one of the passing features of a newly governed policy of national economics. It would happen regardless of any huge benefits a country would have in leaving another country, which - while jobless and non-life-sequencing in nature - is a currently stable economy.

It doesn't change anything drastic, all it can change is that RBS will put it's tax into england directly, even if it stayed in scotland, it would be paying 81% taxes to south of the border anyway, but not anything in terms of it's actual economic input into Scotland is at jeopardy. It's literally a paper shuffle,and - after the first year of independence, when traction is shown for the country, things like this would normalize.

In short, the UK government seems to be bordering on a legal grey area just to put some last minute scaree into scotland. RBS never wanted this information to be put in public until the vote was cast, and it's also arguable that the tip-off is what's forcing them to make this move in the first place, as RBS's shares were suddenly at stake.

As for halo, I'm a little upset you find it funny that this is happening, i'm beginning to believe that you don't like the scottish population now. :<

See, this is exactly what I mean. Something negative about independence? Immediately completely dismissed as scare-tactics and lies, as some conspiracy on the part of Westminster. "Cameron forced them to say that. It's lies. Don't listen to anything negative, guys, don't think about it, ignore the experts!" Jesus.
And I'm not laughing at the idea of the suffering of the Scottish people. In my view, anything that discourages independence is benefiting them. I'm laughing because of the blow to the Yes campaign, which I'm averse to on multiple levels, and because of Salmond's complete incompetence in dealing with the setback.

Halo said
See, this is exactly what I mean. Something negative about independence? Immediately completely dismissed as scare-tactics and lies, as some conspiracy on the part of Westminster. "Cameron forced them to say that. It's lies. Don't listen to anything negative, guys, don't think about it, ignore the experts!" Jesus.And I'm not laughing at the idea of the suffering of the Scottish people. In my view, anything that discourages independence is benefiting them. I'm laughing because of the blow to the Yes campaign, which I'm averse to on multiple levels, and because of Salmond's complete incompetence in dealing with the setback.

Aw dangit, I was wanting you to go nuts again. ;D

And no, it was a tip off by the treasury.

3 days to go, excited?

scribz said
Aw dangit, I was wanting you to go nuts again. ;DAnd no, it was a tip off by the treasury. 3 days to go, excited?

It was contempt, more than anger or anything, last time - mainly because I'm being subjected to an awful lot of uninformed codswallop on my News Feed right now (by which I don't mean anything "Yes"-related, I mean people who just have no idea what they're talking about.) Also - without a balancing, alternate view, any representation of the situation may as well be propaganda, as folk here mostly live abroad and don't necessarily know enough about the issue to form their own opinion.
Anyway, I wouldn't say "excited". What happens will happen; I'm moving to London in three weeks, it won't affect me directly quite as much as if I were staying in Edinburgh. I just hope the Scottish people make the right decision.

Halo said
It was contempt, more than anger or anything, last time - mainly because I'm being subjected to an awful lot of uninformed codswallop on my News Feed right now (by which I don't mean anything "Yes"-related, I mean people who just have no idea what they're talking about.) Also - without a balancing, alternate view, any representation of the situation may as well be propaganda, as folk here mostly live abroad and don't necessarily know enough about the issue to form their own opinion. Anyway, I wouldn't say "excited". What happens will happen; I'm moving to London in three weeks, it won't affect me directly quite as much as if I were staying in Edinburgh. I just hope the Scottish people make the right decision.

I do too. Good luck in London mate, watch out - prices ain't skimpy there.

Explain like I'm calvin pls

I wish I were following the issues of Scottish/English relations (and even Irish/English relations) more closely.