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Full nation name: Heaven and Hell Society of East AsiaLocation: China, JapanLeader name: Yù HuángCapital: ShangduGovernment type: MonarchyTotal army personnel: 30,000,000Total navy ships: 500Total air planes: 3,000GDP: 30 billion USDPopulation: 1,170,354,000


There's no way on on gods green earth that you could maintain 30 million military personnel and 1.1 billion civilians, think about it, today's largest military is china with ONLY 2 million personnel in it.
You'd have a civil war on your hands instantly.
The average wage for a soldier is about £14,700 per year (including tax) times that by 30 million and your total military upkeep comes out at 429,000,000,000 per year, instantly bankrupting your nation.
Even if you half those wages you've still bankrupted your nation.
So no, 30 million isn't going to do it.
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There's no way on on gods green earth that you could maintain 30 million military personnel and 1.1 billion civilians, think about it, today's largest military is china with ONLY 2 million personnel in it.You'd have a civil war on your hands instantly.The average wage for a soldier is about £14,700 per year (including tax) times that by 30 million and your total military upkeep comes out at 429,000,000,000 per year, instantly bankrupting your nation.Even if you half those wages you've still bankrupted your nation.So no, 30 million isn't going to do it.


This is really a poorly thought out response. Here is why.

Currently, military sizes are low because we are living in a relatively peaceful period in history. There hasn't been a war between two major world powers since the Second World War; the only thing nearing an exception are the proxy wars. The twin facts of nuclear weaponry and a global economy reliant on open borders has made large scale militaries unnecessary.

To get a more appropriate look at how many soldiers have been fielded in the past, we see larger numbers. The peak strength of the soviet union during WW2 was 12 million. That was in 1945, and in a nation with a population of roughly 200 million people. China has enough people to field. The problem becomes economic and structural.

So how do you field that many men? Its not difficult. Governments, unlike people, do not have the same pressure to pay their bills. The concept of a nation adding military costs, even expensive ones, to their public debt isn't too strange. It has happened before. In reality, it is a major part of what makes up many national debts.

But there are other ways of doing it. In some drastic cases, pay is witheld (this typically causes rebellion). Or soldiers could be forced into the military (also a potential cause for rebellion). However, there are ways a person could finance a military. A popular ancient method was to give out land or titles. This played a part in the Roman expansion into Gaul and Iberia - these places weren't worth much, but they had good farming land that an aspiring politician could parcel out to soldiers to gain their love and affection. Feudal military classes figure into this too. This wouldn't work the same way in this Chinese military since 30mil is a lot of people, but it could mean that a soldier is guarenteed a place to live and a stipend of food. If the economy is bad enough, that might be all it takes.

You could also go the Starship Troopers route and have military participation be a requirement for citizenship, or at least access to certain rights. This would especially work if a majority of the military functions as a reserve that is able to hold a job.

Another tried-and-true ancient method would be looting. If this world is particularly damaged by this disease and whatever other set of events caused things to change so rapidly, There would probably be no international protection against something otherwise considered barbaric. One could see using this as a way to subsidized the Starship Troopers method. You feed your family with a job when you are on reserve, and when on duty you loot shit and use that. If China institutes slavery for the conquered or raided, this would help even further.

The final thing to add to this is that there could be more of an incentive to this military than warfare. If you use excess troops to do things that bring economic benefits, like building infrastructure or even bringing in resources, this military could pay for itself.

The important thing to do is not pigeon hole things based on overly elementary understandings. Shit is complicated, yo.
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Full nation name: The most awesome SOCIALIST FASCIST COMMUNIST CAPITALIST Republic of Egypt
Location:Egypt (Either one large country or two countries the size of South Africa or less)
Leader name: Alexsandar Borislav
Capital:Fucking Cairo
Government type:Revolutionary Socialist Fascist Communist Capitalist Republic
Total army personnel:500,000
Total navy ships:100
Total air planes:9000
GDP:50 Billion USD (has to be bad since the economy mostly collapsed worldwide)
Population:90mil
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Full nation name: Confederacy of American Military Territories(CAMT)
Location: USA
Leader name: High-General Tex Murphy
Capital: Washington DC
Government type: Democratic Military Command Structure(Peoples Freedoms are still maintained, but the idiots in Washington got booted out)
Total army personnel: 550,321
Total navy ships: 316
Total air planes: 5,638
GDP: 14 Trillion
Population: 340 Million

(I will admit that I used wikia for the numbers, and raised them a bit to account for year difference, accept the navy one...I got that one from this thread)
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GDP:?


Gross Domestic Product. To put it very simply, it is the yearly income of that nation before they pay their bills. I assume the numbers most people are putting down are "Billion", because having a GDP of $250 would be horribly sad. Individuals on welfare have a higher gross income than that.

For reference, the United States has a GDP of 14 trillion, as does China. Spain has a GDP of 1.5 Trillion. Ethiopia has a GDP of 41 Billion. You get the idea.
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Pretty much. Also I have plenty of exploration to do in reference to the ownership of Japan. Needless to say: it ain't peaceful. And a large, organized, Army corp of Engineers can also feed on into public service with the maintenance of Chinese infrastructure, giving out peace-time jobs based paid on the pretense of public service. So they may be on the military registry but not necessarily receiving pay at that time: but they're certainly working and getting pay from another department.

There could also be the possibility that I have yet to demobilize.
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I make Persian empire. Greatest land military of the middle east. Most powerful planes, better than the other middle eastern nations who just churn them out and can't fly ten miles without one of their plane's turbines failing.

Other than that, the ISIS has made the Persian empire possible. Thank you ISIS for showing the savagery of the sunnis.
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Full nation name:The Completely Serious, Nothing Funny About It, Principality of Sealand
Location: Sealand
Leader name: Prince Michael the extremely serious.
Capital: Sealand
Government type: Monarchy
Total army personnel: 4
Total navy ships:2
Total air planes:1 helicopter
GDP: $100'000'000'000'000'000 Sealander Dollars. (Approx. $600'000 USD.)
Population: 200 Sealanders live around the globe!!!

National Agenda: World Domination. Or a bakery. Either one works.

Just looked at some other people's countries. Sealand's two boats give it Naval dominance over the German Reformation Movement and The Multiglorious Conglamorepublic and Especially Esteemed Territoryhoods of Cascadia MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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All of you are accepted I will soon update the map and start the ic. Oh wait That one In the USA needs to drastically lower it's GDP since the world economy mostly collapsed.
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Full nation name: Democratic People's Republic of KoreaLocation: Unified Korea super happyLeader name: Best Leader Greatest Party Chairman Supreme Leader Also Best Golfer Shin Bin EunCapital: Best City Super Happy Place PyongyangGovernment type: Best State Juche Socialism WITH REAL ELECTIONS!!!Total army personnel: Numbers cannot define our infinite soldier best superiorityTotal navy ships: Numbers cannot define best superiority of our shipsTotal air planes: Numbers cannot define best superiority of our planesGDP: best gdp doing super perfect everyone happy have much incomePopulation: Our women superior birth too many to count


Actually you are denied until you make it fair for others.
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Sealand may not be able to exist on the map... BUT BE WARNED. WE ARE THERE, WATCHING YOU FROM THE SHADOWS.

And I dunno... That seems pretty accurate for the unified Best Korea.
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Full nation name:The Completely Serious, Nothing Funny About It, Principality of SealandLocation: SealandLeader name: Prince Michael the extremely serious.Capital: SealandGovernment type: MonarchyTotal army personnel: 4Total navy ships:2Total air planes:1 helicopterGDP: $100'000'000'000'000'000 Sealander Dollars. (Approx. $600'000 USD.)Population: 200 Sealanders live around the globe!!!National Agenda: World Domination. Or a bakery. Either one works.Just looked at some other people's countries. Sealand's two boats give it Naval dominance over the German Reformation Movement and The Multiglorious Conglamorepublic and Especially Esteemed Territoryhoods of Cascadia MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


My ten boats will roll over your tinpot empire, and you will bow before the great and mighty Persian emperor Darius Moshir.
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But little do you know, your emperor bought a Sealander knighthood online. He thought it was just a joke, but OHOHOHO. Now he is forced to serve under the Prince. All according to the Grand Scheme of The Most Important Nation of Sealand.
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How is iron depleted by 2020? It's the fourth most common element in the earth's crust.
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How is iron depleted by 2020? It's the fourth most common element in the earth's crust.


Because strip mining!

Snow said
But little do you know, your emperor bought a Sealander knighthood online. He thought it was just a joke, but OHOHOHO. Now he is forced to serve under the Prince. All according to the Grand Scheme of The Most Important Nation of Sealand.


I suppose Darius can always kill his way to the top of your kingdom, given these circumstances. Should be easy, given Darius will be the only man in a society ran by children.
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If CK2 has taught me anything it's that piles of dead babies make great ladders.
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